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05-10-2008, 04:54 AM
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Sup guys.
Shit ain't so good. Haven't posted because I've been busy as hell. Bad news: I think I might lose my ICE in the near future. I noticed a bit of yellowing on a section of the ICE's leaves (up top). PH was a bit high for a day or two so I figured I'd just dump the res and start over. When I went to dump it I noticed that the ICE's roots were going the way of the last ICE. There was a section of slimy, grayish, shit. So, I chopped everything like that out of the root system: 100_4950.jpg Then I sprayed the hell out of the roots with h202 laced water, dumped the res, and started over with PH'd water and a weak nute solution. I debated going with h202 in the res again but instead decided to try to ride it out using hygrozyme and superthrive. It apparently didn't work. (that was 2 nights ago) It didn't look bad last night, but when I opened the tent up tonight I noticed that everything's fucking turning yellow. The buds have been getting some browning going on for a little while as well (not sure if that's normal or a symptom of this or something else). Also, I noticed some purple stems occurring. 100_4954.jpg 100_4955.jpg When I checked the roots tonight, it looks like the entire root system is trying to die on me. There's another slimy grayish patch already (should've went with the h202 it seems). First I'm going to cut the shit down again (not sure what else to do). I'm flushing it with flora kleen right now and am going to dump the res and start over with nothing but PH'd water and h202. No idea what else to do. The Aurora B seems I believe will be following the ICE soon enough. Some of the bottom leaves have been like this for awhile: 100_4956.jpg More importantly, the roots are starting to look like the ICE's. For whatever reason, it doesn't really even have that big of a root system still...but what it does have wants to turn to shit like the ICE's. All the temps have stayed the same (water 72ish at the highest, ambient 78, humidity 55). I've kept the PH between 5.4 and 5.8 as much as I can, checking it at least twice a day and altering it accordingly. No light is getting into the res. So my questions: -Is it possible that when the plants were younger and I was letting light into the res causing that orange shit, that I'm just still dealing with the ramifications? -Is it possible that something in my tap water is not good for my plants? (ppm of the tap water is 250 or so but I am using Hard Water Micro) -I'm almost at 4 weeks of 12/12. If these girls die on me will the shit be smokeable and how will it be affected? (less potent or just smaller yield, etc) You guys with a lot of experience: What would you do in my shoes here? TIA for the help. Any comments/suggestions/etc are appreciated.
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05-10-2008, 07:19 AM
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Dude what is the ppm?
I don't know whats going on? If they die now you wont get very high. I wish I could help more but I really dont do much hydro except for aero cloning and that shit is difficult. If your pH is stable like you say its either over or under nuted. With slimmy brown roots like you have it leads me to believe over nuted.
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05-10-2008, 11:27 AM
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in smoking limbo
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PPM is between 900-1200 even with the weak ass nute recipe I'm using.
LAST STRAW: The ICE is kickin out some seeds apparently. I just found some. So...what the hell should I do now? I'm trippin. 
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05-10-2008, 11:41 AM
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in smoking limbo
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So i tried to investigate further and it looks like the ICE wants to turn into a seed farm. Ya know, I'm actually alright with that if the Aurora is a bitch. Could that last ICE I killed...or the Aurora that I figured as male I killed have been the culprit, or could this ICE have just turned hermie because of all the root issues?
How can I know for sure that the Aurora B is female? I don't see any dudeness, but I didn't see any dudeness on the ICE. What happens if I let the ICE go? It looks like I'll definitely get seeds...but will I get any bud off it? Will it hurt my Aurora if it's all woman? Fuck. What the hell should I do now? lol I'll be okay...but I just don't know what the hell to do at this point. I wouldn't mind having a bunch of ICE seeds... but I want SOME kind of bud damn it...
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05-10-2008, 12:26 PM
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Well holy fuck I need help.
 Anyhow, here's the situation. Pics of the ICE canopy: 100_4957.jpg 100_4958.jpg Some of the stuff I fell in love with: 100_4959.jpg 100_4961.jpg The shit that broke my heart, Frado: 100_4964.jpg 100_4965.jpg 100_4966.jpg 100_4967.jpg Makes me cry: 100_4968.jpg
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05-10-2008, 12:30 PM
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in smoking limbo
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So, I have no idea where I'm at. If the ICE got impregnatated by one of the plants I already killed, or turned herm, will that affect the Aurora B if it is pure female?
Or did the Aurora B (that's still alive) do it? I need help. Here is the Aurora B from the top down: 100_4969.jpg 100_4970.jpg 100_4971.jpg 100_4972.jpg This is a girl....................right? 
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05-10-2008, 02:59 PM
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damn man that sucks i dont know why your roots are doin that shit to ya. but well i know some plant types dont like nutes as much as others like some dont like any nutes over 800ppm shit like that so i would start back at about 500ppm and increase about 100 every couple o days. yes your ice has gone hermie and it is probably because of the root situation going on. and yes your aurora B is a girl. and look at the bright side at least you dont have to buy ice seeds for a while. hope things get better darth
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05-10-2008, 10:53 PM
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I agree your plant is fert burning; the leaves and roots are showing us that. Back off to 500 ppm like zababadoo said.
Check to make sure there is indeed a seed in there instead of a "false seed pod". If so something fertilized you.
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05-11-2008, 12:31 AM
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in smoking limbo
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I believe it's actual seeds. I chopped a small "seedy" bud off and checked. Looks like the beginning of seeds to me, just a bit softer at this point. I'm assuming it's just because they haven't matured yet.
I have no problem knocking the PPM down. I need to switch the res out again in the next day or two to get even more of the dead root matter out of there. So here's my gaggle of questions: Am I in danger of the ICE impregnating the Aurora B? Is there any way for me to know if it just got impregnated by the last Aurora B before I killed it (which was male) or if it's herm? I still don't see any male sex organs. I just see the seed pods... How can I stop the Aurora from getting preggers (if the ICE is herm) while keeping the ICE's seeds? I'll do my reading on the subject, but...Hermaphrodites: Will they yield any smokeable bud or am I looking at just pullin seeds off the ICE now? Basically, I'd like to get the ICE seeds (this was my last ICE plant anyway so I'm alright with getting some seeds out of her/him/whatever the hell it is lol) but I definitely will like to try to get some kind of smokeable bud. What would you guys do in my situation other than knockin the nutes down some? My worst case scenario at this point is the ICE impregnating the Aurora B and me getting no decent smoke out of this whole mess... I do have 3 little CFLs, but I don't have a box or anything to separate the two plants at this point... Shit shit shit. Thanks for the help, guys. Kaila Ya is still kickin it: kailayu49.jpg BAM! kailayu50.jpg
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05-11-2008, 12:40 AM
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im not 100% sure about this but i thought that if its a hermie the downside is you get seedy buds so itll still be smokeable and prolly still better than most street weed but itll be seedy
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05-11-2008, 12:55 AM
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thanks for the input, zab-man. Now i'm just looking at keeping these roots healthy for as long as I can...it looks like it's going to be a chore. Wish I knew what the issue was. I guess my main question is: What would you do in my situation with my issues? kailayu51.jpg
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05-11-2008, 01:56 AM
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honestly i'd be doin the same thing you are right now and that would be askin for some help but as far as it goes i wouldve taken the same steps as you right now and leave the ppm at around 500 for a while and see how things look after a day or 2
also to your question earlier that i just caught about if your shit will be smokeable and will affect potency and yield? i hate to tell ya man but lets just try and get em to at least week 7 because if shit went down now not only would you have a very decreased yield but the potency would be well... signaficantly decreased from where it should be so lets make it work man if everything settles down then you can prolly start raisin the ppm slowly but i just dont know why your roots keep wantin to die man (i know exactly how you feel man look at some of my prior threads i have had 3 bad grows, one the plants just stopped growing and never grew again, one i had root rot, and my favorite one i had a ghetto as hell rig to hold my lights and they fuckin fell and killed everything about 2 weeks into flower after 6 weeks of veg.) darth what kind of equip are you to power your res? ( i am using for 1 BB 2 airstones hooked up to a topfin X-800 pump(an 80 gallon tank pump for a 5 gal bucket im sure its overkill but id rather be safe)
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05-11-2008, 07:05 AM
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Darth if you have checked every node of growth on every plant and you see no balls anywhere then no hermies. They must have gotten pollinated by your male or pollen from somewhere else got in. If they do have seeds the bud will still be smoke able. You just need to weed out the seeds but the thc in seeded bud will be lower than sinsemilla.
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05-11-2008, 10:07 AM
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I'll definitely try to get it that far. It's up to the roots at this point. I think I'm going to add h202 every night and keep it in the res. Screw the beneficial bacteria at this point. I'm also thinking of getting this when I get some money: http://www.sunleaves.com/detail.asp?sku=SCW500 Perhaps that would help with the root issue. As far as what I have in the res right now I have: 2 Airpumps: 1 Whisper 60 Aquarium Air Pump (up to 60 gallons) with two outlets going to two 12 inch air stones 1 Sunleaves DuraPump Air (SDA500) 28 gph with one outlet going to one of the round airstones 1 Water pump: DuraPump Submersible Water Pump - 395 gph Hooked up to a DiG Six Outlet Irrigation Manifold I've only got two hoses hooked up right now, one going to each net pot. The other four are just pulling water from the bottom and pouring it back in at the top to keep the water moving. Sorry to hear about your past grows. If I can get anything smokeable out of this I'll consider my first time a success. I know I've sure learned a hell of a lot through it all. Before this I never even kept a houseplant alive. Shit, I've got two of those dying right now too lol. Thanks for the input, bro. kailayu52.jpg Bam! (Man I love Kaila Yu)
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