Swimming in a Sea of Green - blueberryxhaze SoG from clones

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Hmmm....the preflower stretch appears to be over already, which is a good thing, although I'm kind of surprised. It's only been 2 weeks of 12/12 and my other two grows continued to stretch into the third week. They've also started putting out some serious flowers already, which is also a lot earlier than before. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that these are clones from a mature plant (the clone that made the mother was cut 2 weeks before harvest). It makes me wonder, and maybe hope, that this one's going to finish even earlier than the last time. If it was done at 6 weeks instead of 7, I certainly wouldn't cry about it .




Top view - lots of nice healthy growth. Now that the stretch has ended, I'm seeing just a hint of nute burn, so I'm backing the nute concentration off to about 1250ppm.




Side view - Damn weeds think they're a shrubbery. Look at all that undergrowth! Gotta love the HPS . If you look close you can see a bit of monofilliment line running from that front plant to the roof of the hut. As I mentioned earlier, I didn't really plant the clones in the hydrotron right, and a couple of them weren't very stable. When I got up on Saturday morning, the front plant was falling over. My local grow shop had these little spring driven zip lines that you could attach to the plant and the ceiling to help support them. They're great. They give just enough upward pressure to keep the plant upright, and as the plant grows, they'll automatically retract keeping them at just the right length to do the job.




Bud porn -




More bud porn - this one's directly under the HPS. The buds are so big that I was a little worried they were balls instead of buds, but then the hairs showed up a little later.




Comparison pic - This is from the first time I grew this strain, at exactly the same point in the grow - Day 15 of 12/12. The plants had *barely* begun to show their sex, and there was no noticeable flower development. The clones came directly from one of these plants, so the difference in growth patterns is due to environment, not genetics. Maybe I'm finally getting the hang of things? lol.

[IMgreen]

damn they look nice!

good job on this round HN!

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There's really not much to say at this point, but I figure since I haven't updated in a while I'd throw out some more pics. We're on day 22 of 12/12 now. There are now visible trichromes on the sugar leaves, although you can't really seem them in the pictures yet. The leaves are staying nice and green, which is a pleasant first. It's amazing what happens when you feed them enough lol.



The Jungle - The plants have done a nice job of growing to fill every bit of available space in the hut.




The Tops - It looks like I've got 9 primary Tops (the ones directly under the HPS) as well as another 6 or 7 secondary Tops (the ones on the sides). That's not counting all the popcorn that's forming in the undergrowth.




Bud Porn -






Popcorn -

[IMgreen]

very nice!

hard to believe they have been under 12/12 for such a short time!

[doob3r]

very very nice man!

all the leaves are perfect, no brown or anything, i love it

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Originally Posted by IMgreen

very nice!

hard to believe they have been under 12/12 for such a short time!

Tell me about it. I suppose it's because they're clones. The clone that eventually became my mother plant was taken just 2 weeks before harvest, so Mom is a very mature lady, which probably accounts for how fast these put out buds. But whatever the case, these girls are about three weeks ahead of schedule compared to my last two grows.

I'm wondering if they're gonna go the full 7 weeks, or if I'm going to be harvesting that much earlier.

[doob3r]

hey HN, how does growing from clone compare to starting from seed in terms of growth speed, is veg time shorter? seems to me like the whole thing would go alot faster with clones, i think im the only one not cloning lol

[IMgreen]

I am gonna clone all my current plants this round too (for a friend)

should I sex them THEN clone the females or take cuttings for clones right before I send them down to flower?

(doing that tomorrow cuz I do not want to keep trying to lower my ppms for the CFL, I am already 2 gallons over the limit for my overflow in case of pump failure)

I can get two from each right now but I gotta admit I am the grim reaper for clones, so I can def use a lil advice...

How many clones will fit into that cloner machine doohickey you have?

wanna mail it to me to try?

lol

Seriously though, what is the most reliable medium to let them root in? I think my friend is gonna make mom's from one ww and one white russian? So if they are going into soil, is it ok to use rapid rooters ? or is rockwool or nuthin even better?

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Not much to say about the grow right now. It's still going strong. I *am* seeing a touch of bleaching along a few of the leaves now that looks like K deficiency. But it also might be light bleaching, since it's only leaves that are directly exposed to the light that are affected. In any event, I'm 4 1/2 weeks into 12/12 with roughly 2 1/2 weeks left until harvest, so seeing some nute deficiencies isn't too unexpected.

But, I did have a rather cool story to tell. I have a friend in another state who's been smoking for over a decade now. For some reason, she's been dry for about three weeks, and all of her sources haven't been able to help. So on a whim I mailed about an eighth of my White Widow out to her.

Now remember, I'm a newb smoker - not even 6 months yet lol - and I've never smoked anything except my own home grown. When it comes to weed types and quality, I couldn't tell good weed, from bad weed, from oregano - well, I could probably spot the oregano since I cook a lot, but you get the idea . So I have no idea if my homegrown Widow qualifies as "dank" or not.

So my friend got her package yesterday, and I get an IM - "Gonna go eat some food and try some of my present." A bit later she gets back on, "Oh wow! You should soooooo sell this stuff." A while after that I talked to her some more and get "I only took four hits, and I'm glad I stopped there. If I'd smoked any more I wouldn't be here lol."

Soooo....I gotta say, that really made my day. Nice to know this newb smoker/grower can churn out some bud that impresses someone who's been smoking forever lol.

Originally Posted by doob3r

hey HN, how does growing from clone compare to starting from seed in terms of growth speed, is veg time shorter? seems to me like the whole thing would go alot faster with clones, i think im the only one not cloning lol

First, a big apology to you guys. Didn't realize there had been additional responses in my thread. I really wasn't trying to blow you off or anything lol.

Growing from clone really is a lot faster than from seed. It definitely shaves at LEAST two weeks off your veg time, and maybe more. Since the clones come from mature plants they can tolerate full strength nutes and lighting almost immediately. And they really take off as soon as the roots are long enough to hit the water.

Also, as I'm seeing in this grow, since these clones were taken at the end of flowering, they started budding a lot faster than my seed grows did.

Originally Posted by IMgreen

I am gonna clone all my current plants this round too (for a friend)

should I sex them THEN clone the females or take cuttings for clones right before I send them down to flower?

I would. No point in cloning male plants, unless you're breading them .

How many clones will fit into that cloner machine doohickey you have?

It'll hold eight clones. They make bigger ones, but since it looks like I can't grow more than three plants at a time in my set up, what's the point? lol

wanna mail it to me to try?

Well, I would, but I've just put some cuttings from my mother plant in there. It seems I've got a friend who's looking for a fast flowering strain, so I'm gonna give him some clones of mine.

Seriously though, what is the most reliable medium to let them root in? I think my friend is gonna make mom's from one ww and one white russian? So if they are going into soil, is it ok to use rapid rooters ? or is rockwool or nuthin even better?

Rapid rooters work really well. I used them to make the mother plants I have. I ended up with 4/4 success rate with them, and they can go straight into a hydro setup.

Rockwool works ok too, from what I've heard. I wouldn't use those Jiffy peat pellets though, at least not if you're going hydro, since they sort of dissolve if you leave them exposed to water for too long .

[sergio]

Nice story on your friend and the WW. Seems your no noob, you have good taste.lol

Rapid rooters for clones????? Iv'e killed a few in those. They stay too wet for me and the clones rot??? I'm going rockwool next cloning operation.

Thanks for all your info. Your a really helpful dude.

[IMgreen]

hmmm...

I though them peat pellet doohickeys were the same as rapid rooters...

ok, well I guess thats good to know!

And a rave review from a seasoned smoker is good to hear huh?

I have not smoked good green in a LONG assed time so if you wanna trade some mediocre herb for a z of killer shit you let me know!

[dagobaker]

thinning plants is very hard to do but necessary
i love hydro too.....i change mine every week but i use the water in my coco/perlite plants so there is no waste......hell most weeks i dont even have to add much water to it....maybe once during the week when it gets hotter.....and no need for ph or ec checks since its gone in a week......good luck......i was wondering why ur clones looked so bad and ur plants look so good? maybe try a solution called clonex or olivias solution...its great to get the clones going and it doenst burn like that.....peace

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Originally Posted by dagobaker

i was wondering why ur clones looked so bad and ur plants look so good? maybe try a solution called clonex or olivias solution...its great to get the clones going and it doenst burn like that.....peace

The clones looked like shit because I was a dumbass and left them in the cloner for four weeks AFTER they rooted. I did use clonex....at first. But then I got lazy and kept adding in just water because I kept telling myself "I'm gonna plant them tomorrow" and "tomorrow" never seemed to get here.

And they weren't burned, they were starved lol. That was pretty serious cal/mag, K, and N deficiencies you saw in the early pics.

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Originally Posted by IMgreen

hmmm...

I though them peat pellet doohickeys were the same as rapid rooters...

Naw, real Rapid Rooters are made by General Hydroponics. I believe they're made out of tree bark.

Originally Posted by sergio

Rapid rooters for clones????? Iv'e killed a few in those. They stay too wet for me and the clones rot??? I'm going rockwool next cloning operation.

Really? I didn't think that RRs could hold that much water. At least the real ones don't seem to. I just soak them for about 20 min, shake off the excess and the add the cuttings. I mist the cuttings 2-3 times a day and keep them under a humidity dome. Other than the misting, they don't get any more water until they root.