3rd grow, first stealth grow and cab grow, all CFL.

[ocitown]

Damn dude,your stickin with it when most would have givin in by now.

Ive had a clone look worse than that and its now one of my favorite mothers.

Is your res 100% light proofed?? A flashlight inside during dark will reveal the slightest leaks.

You definitely have multiple issues which are a f cking bitch im sure,but i have learned any res temps over 78f. and most everything you do which seems appropriate wont matter if theirs no DO,dissolved Oxygen. Whats your res temps now?

BTW,JCJ77d has a nice lil DIY chiller in his bag of tricks,check it out man.

[DarthHerbage]

Damn doobz, looks like both our grows went fuckin crazy. While I don't have the bugs you got, I got the root issues and what not.

Well, you got my positive energy on the way bro. I just watched the full length TPB movie the other morning on the tail end of a Miller Lite induced all nighter, and...sniff sniff...I thought of ya.

[doob3r]

Originally Posted by IMgreen

e&f temps wont matter as much for the root tray but for the res cool temps is still a must for anything hydro (I would assume algae and fungus will grow any where it can, like that guy said to hammond, life finds a way)

help_needed mentioned something sometime ago about a lil fridge, building a chiller outta one of those would be pretty easy, just a drill and some copper tubing to build a DIY coil make it go in the top coil a few feet on the inside out the bottom

instant chiller!

you might wanna caulk up the holes but aside from that, what else could you need?

(thats what i would do if I needed a chiller)

yeah man thats exactly what i was thinking, just a strong pump and some coiled hose in a cold enviroment, i may do that

Originally Posted by AugustWest

yo doob.
It's all good man.. be confident and don't stress over anything, this may sound hippy but you plants can feel the bad vibes imo.
Clones are very easy to get man so use this experience to get the numbers inline and the environment dialed in.
from the looks of the leaves it seems more like burn or something to do with PH swings.. could be the neem like you said and it just might be a comnbo of everything: bugs, neem, PH and stress from all 3.
as far as that F13 in soil, my only suggestion would be to try and get a healthy cutting rooted and get it into some soil that's more suited for MJ ph wise like FFOF or similar.

we'll get it dialed in bro.. clones grow on trees so no worries if we lose one or 2.

yeah im gonna break down and drive the 2 hours and get some FF soil, and a few other things to keep my mothers fine,
i feel you on the vibes, i got some music on them right now, thats missing form last grow lol, im done stressing over it, no matter how it goes theres still lots of positives

Originally Posted by gonejah17

Hell yeah man, my thoughts exactly. Exactly what Im thinking to a T.

And as far as ebb flow temps I dont even check mine, I think algae may have more to do with light penetration but I dont know. I dont have a chiller or anything tho, and my ebbers have been cool. Maybe I should get one tho who knows lol.

yeah, ive done the flash light trick and theres no light penetration but the plastic is thin. i think it would have been best to do a few layers of black and white spray paint before the taping up.

Originally Posted by ocitown

Damn dude,your stickin with it when most would have givin in by now.

Ive had a clone look worse than that and its now one of my favorite mothers.

Is your res 100% light proofed?? A flashlight inside during dark will reveal the slightest leaks.

You definitely have multiple issues which are a f cking bitch im sure,but i have learned any res temps over 78f. and most everything you do which seems appropriate wont matter if theirs no DO,dissolved Oxygen. Whats your res temps now?

BTW,JCJ77d has a nice lil DIY chiller in his bag of tricks,check it out man.

thanks man, ill check that res chiler, im not sure on my temps in the res, but it seems a bit lower than room temperature, kind of cool.

Originally Posted by DarthHerbage

Damn doobz, looks like both our grows went fuckin crazy. While I don't have the bugs you got, I got the root issues and what not.

Well, you got my positive energy on the way bro. I just watched the full length TPB movie the other morning on the tail end of a Miller Lite induced all nighter, and...sniff sniff...I thought of ya.

ahaha thanks dude, TPB is some good shit ive been hooked on season 6 and 7 the last few days its good stuff. i wish you the best of luck with your plants man, and the root issue, atleast we can keep tabs on one another and learn this shit and be prepaired my guess is its a never ending learning cycle,


thanks for stopping in everyone,

ive come to the conclusion that that spray burnt them, i wont use it again, but the neem is where its at, no mites anywhere, and its truely non burning. (also puts a fucking beautiful shine on the leaves lol)

But if for any reason i cant get things under control i will be going back to soil until the winter time, im sure 80 % of the thc bombs problem is ph and res temps. soil honestly seems harder to me but, its just as fun, and when your hydro machine isnt dialed in 100% perfect... its not that much faster than soil, but damn i LOVE building systems

[DarthHerbage]

Hey man I read on page 50 that you had been using tap water. Did you ever switch to distilled?

I'm just trying to pin down the cause of our root issues...the oranging and what not.

I know my shit is light proof now, and I have enough oxygen in the damn res...so I'm wondering if maybe the tap water has something fucked up in it? I know a lot of people use tap water w/o issue but not all tap water is the same and each different water company will have their own specific pollutants.

I just can't think of what the hell else could be causing it.

Here's Ms. Kaila Yu to help cheer ya up.

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[doob3r]

Originally Posted by DarthHerbage

Hey man I read on page 50 that you had been using tap water. Did you ever switch to distilled?

I'm just trying to pin down the cause of our root issues...the oranging and what not.

I know my shit is light proof now, and I have enough oxygen in the damn res...so I'm wondering if maybe the tap water has something fucked up in it? I know a lot of people use tap water w/o issue but not all tap water is the same and each different water company will have their own specific pollutants.

I just can't think of what the hell else could be causing it.

Here's Ms. Kaila Yu to help cheer ya up.

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she`s light proof pretty good, its a bit on and off with distilled water, ill use it to add back water when i have it, but alot of times its just tap, my tap is pretty low ppm though, i havent measured my taps ppm since my hannah meter crapped out but i got a letter from the state a few weeks ago sayung my tap was around 220 ppm if im not mistaken, im pretty damn sure all my hydro troubles are coming from a warm res, i think my best bet may be finishing these things out in some FFOF soil. summer is going to be wicked this year, i just realized last run was during winter an temps were never such an issue, but i think ill try a DIY res chiller first

[doob3r]

well, i topped the tallest thc-bomb, trying to keep this grow a learning and expiramental grow, trying to keep them the same height, and train the canopy to be as even as possible as young as possible, im unsure of my res temps but my room temp is 76, and the water feels cool so i hope thats not causing the issues,

i also added a healthy dose of h202 to the res, as soon as it hit the water it started popping and fizzing, i noticed later that my roots are becoming a nicer bright white shade so maybe the h202 is something i just never gave enough of, i was using 2 teaspoons in the 18 gallon res, not sure what i upped it to, bout syringe wotrhs, the big fat kind that you get from the dentist with the curved tip shit, id guess it was 5-7 table spoons,

the clones dont look much better but i KNOW they feel better because i do, i think the mites are dead, i just gotta stay on top of the eggs and nurse them back to health.

i dont care if the system fails really, i have more thc bomb seeds, i just want these WW and MK cuts lol.

if you guys ever get bugs never ever use this stuff


it will burn your plants to death, i sprayed a patch of grass with it, the grass is looking pretty bad, looks like it got FRIED up by some chem burns.

enjoy your tuesday fella`s

[gonejah17]

lol that shit should say fastr acting kills UR PLANTS on contact lol

Yeah I went thru the same shit with my GDP male

I guess DWC is the way to got, but with EBB FLOW I havent found res temps to be a problem. just FYI maybe try that sometime.

sounds like ur getting everything under control.

And if u lose the cuts, (which Im sure u wont), like we said ull getem back. Mite free this time lol.

sounds good tho and I like ur spirts, keep on keepn on doob were all here with ya homie!!

[IMgreen]

is good to see you didn't become a whiny bitch cuz your plants got fucked up

[doob3r]

Originally Posted by IMgreen

is good to see you didn't become a whiny bitch cuz your plants got fucked up

ehhh at least it didnt last long anyways lol

[ocitown]

If you really think its just high res temps and your res is only 18 gal.,try freezing some of your distilled water bottles(filled with tap)and float them changing them when needed and get a $2 aquarium floater temp thingy.

If things get better in a week you will know thats the culprit ,worst case scenario is your temps go down and the DO goes up and your plants will be happier in this stressful time your having.

[DarthHerbage]

Originally Posted by IMgreen

is good to see you didn't become a whiny bitch cuz your plants got fucked up

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Glad ya got the mites under control, doob. If your ambient temp is 76, your res temp should be alright. I think on average res temps are about 5 degrees less than the ambient...(I think I read that somewhere )

I went back to the frozen water bottles in the res strategy, hoping to keep the temps down.

[ocitown]

Originally Posted by DarthHerbage

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Glad ya got the mites under control, doob. If your ambient temp is 76, your res temp should be alright. I think on average res temps are about 5 degrees less than the ambient...(I think I read that somewhere )

I went back to the frozen water bottles in the res strategy, hoping to keep the temps down.

I found the res temps went up with lighting,but not much.

I was told a 76F. res is at its very lowest in DO and problems are soon to follow,the best res temps to keep if possible are 68F. as it was explained to me by a well known chemist who is in the growing industry working for a MAJOR manufacturer of very high quality PH/PPM controllers.

My res temps were 74-78F. throughout and the lil clones (10) yielded 68 grams with the stems still on and look very nice,better than all my soil grows.

[IMgreen]

a little bit of whining is OK man, you're excused...

[doob3r]

Heres some pics of the toping i did








check the noding...



The tiny thc bomb is taking off




Shots of the clones.

MK