Sloppy G's Sophomore Grow Journal

[gonejah17]

Originally Posted by Sloppy G

Anyone know how big a branch has to be before its 'clonable'? Or does it need just enough leaves to respire, absorb water and photosynthesize?.. which would be like 2 decent-sized leaves...

I think its more about having a nice healthy stem than having leaves. U dont want it to focus its energy on photosynthesis at first, u want its energy focused on making roots. I didnt really realize or think about this until I saw the video for cloning at ganjaguerilla.net where he cuts off all the leaves for the most part. It makes sense since the clone will be making all new leaves once it roots but I guess it depends on the style of grow u are doing. HTH tho it helped me understand a little more about the process.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Ya that was a good tutorial for people new to cloning. The leaves don't need to be cut off with the right conditions, check Al B. Fuct 2 week harvest thread or his cloning in rockwool one. He uses 9+ inch cuttings and doesn't cut any of the leaves, zero wilt.

The thing about having the leaves on there is, when the plant does root and can use the light, having more leaf material results in faster growth. So if you are new to cloning it would be fine to cut the ends of the leaves off to make the plant have an easier time rooting, but it needs to be known that once you know what you are doing it's hard not to get a 100% sucess rating- so leave the leaves on there for the best results after it roots.

Also, don't be afraid to try not using any rooting hormone on some to see what it does. You might be surprised by how little they need, it's more the proper conditions. You keep the medium slightly moist and the humidity up, and cloning is a snap. Didn't have good results using rockwool- I use Rapid Rooters with 100% sucess rate. I had a cutting that had been in a trashcan for 3-4 days able to be cloned- less is more. Give them water until you see roots- no nutrient is necesarry until they have roots.

[Sloppy G]

Ok, I finally have some pictures! Pretty random collection tho

4307 - 1: Picture of the 'humidome' thingy I made for my clones

4307 - 2: Humidome, exploded view

4307 - 3: That's my 'G-13' Plant

4307 - 9: The largest branch on my 'G-13' Plant

4307 - 4-7: My other plants

4307 - 10: Rapid Rooter plugs

4307 - 11: Rooting Hormone and Jiffy Pots

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[Sloppy G]

Originally Posted by gonejah17

I think its more about having a nice healthy stem than having leaves. U dont want it to focus its energy on photosynthesis at first, u want its energy focused on making roots. I didnt really realize or think about this until I saw the video for cloning at ganjaguerilla.net where he cuts off all the leaves for the most part. It makes sense since the clone will be making all new leaves once it roots but I guess it depends on the style of grow u are doing. HTH tho it helped me understand a little more about the process.

To clone, I'm gonna use that humidome thingy I made and I'll continually spray the plants and the inside of the dome to maintain humidity.

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Ya that was a good tutorial for people new to cloning. The leaves don't need to be cut off with the right conditions, check Al B. Fuct 2 week harvest thread or his cloning in rockwool one. He uses 9+ inch cuttings and doesn't cut any of the leaves, zero wilt.

The thing about having the leaves on there is, when the plant does root and can use the light, having more leaf material results in faster growth. So if you are new to cloning it would be fine to cut the ends of the leaves off to make the plant have an easier time rooting, but it needs to be known that once you know what you are doing it's hard not to get a 100% sucess rating- so leave the leaves on there for the best results after it roots.

Also, don't be afraid to try not using any rooting hormone on some to see what it does. You might be surprised by how little they need, it's more the proper conditions. You keep the medium slightly moist and the humidity up, and cloning is a snap. Didn't have good results using rockwool- I use Rapid Rooters with 100% sucess rate. I had a cutting that had been in a trashcan for 3-4 days able to be cloned- less is more. Give them water until you see roots- no nutrient is necesarry until they have roots.

What grow are you guys refering to? I cant find it anywhere. I would really appreciate it if anyone had a link to this...

Anyway, does my humidome look like it would work, I'm gonna plant the clones in those rapid rooter plugs, then put them inside the jiffy pots and cover them with a little soil... I need the soil cus I dont have no hydro nutrients.

Oh yeah, one of the pictures above is of my G-13's largest branch; which I believe should be fine to clone. However, most of my other plants' largest branches are about an inch shorter than this and equally less developed. Is it really feasible to clone tomorrow or should I wait another week? If possible, I would much rather just clone them now because the tips are starting to cluster and if I wait too long they're gonna bud; I dont think I'll be able to clone them once they're budded and fully flowered...

P.S.: I'm gonna order a soil pH/light/moisture meter tomorrow but i probly wont have it till Thursday

[IMgreen]

Looks like you went all out on that stuff man!

good luck with your cloning!

[IMgreen]

http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-...y-2-weeks.html

[Mr.GoodStuff]

You don't have to continually spray them, once or twice a day should be fine. I'm sure you could mist them as much as you wanted though. They love it.

Harvest every 2 weeks thread:

http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-...y-2-weeks.html

Cloning large cuttings in rockwool, shows proof with proper conditions misting not even necessary and neither is pruning any of the larger leaves:

http://forum.grasscity.com/grow-jour...ml#post1648974

You don't even need rooting hormone with some strains if you know what you are doing- and no nutrient is necessary. You don't need to bury them in soil to feed them, they won't need food until a few days after they root. Trust me- I've had clones going feeding them plain Ph'd R/O water and they are doing great, they are not hungry at all. I'm actually going to wait to see how long it takes them to get hungry this time.

[Sloppy G]

Thanx for the links, just read through the threads, pretty helpful. His pictures are real informative too. but his cuttings are 5-6 inches long, i only have 2-4 inch branches right now...

Should I just clone the top and one other side branch? That's what makes the most sense to me right now.

[IMgreen]

How long have they been flowering for?

From reading that post about cloning it looks to me like bigger ones take easier than smaller ones do so why not give em another week or so?

I have done smaller clones in the past but have not had tremendous success, will try bigger branches next time...

[Sloppy G]

The plants are a total 8 weeks old and are 2 weeks into flowering, I plan on flowering for another 6 weeks.

I think I'll just use the tops as cuttings, since I was going to top them anyway. That way I'll have half my clones started this week, then take branch cuttings a week or maybe even two weeks from now.

[IMgreen]

mine are at about the same stage then, more or less...

they stretched a lot though so many have branches that are pretty damn long...

[gonejah17]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Ya that was a good tutorial for people new to cloning. The leaves don't need to be cut off with the right conditions, check Al B. Fuct 2 week harvest thread or his cloning in rockwool one. He uses 9+ inch cuttings and doesn't cut any of the leaves, zero wilt.

The thing about having the leaves on there is, when the plant does root and can use the light, having more leaf material results in faster growth. So if you are new to cloning it would be fine to cut the ends of the leaves off to make the plant have an easier time rooting, but it needs to be known that once you know what you are doing it's hard not to get a 100% sucess rating- so leave the leaves on there for the best results after it roots.

Also, don't be afraid to try not using any rooting hormone on some to see what it does. You might be surprised by how little they need, it's more the proper conditions. You keep the medium slightly moist and the humidity up, and cloning is a snap. Didn't have good results using rockwool- I use Rapid Rooters with 100% sucess rate. I had a cutting that had been in a trashcan for 3-4 days able to be cloned- less is more. Give them water until you see roots- no nutrient is necesarry until they have roots.

What a great post!! Awesome info Mr Goodstuff as always +rep

Ive skimmed through those threads u speak of but havent looked too in depth but I will.

Again, great post. Not to hijack the thread but quick question that should help everyone. Ive been spraying the tops of my little rw cubes once every morning with about 9 sprays each (9 sprays is when they start to drain I lift the tray over the sink and spray each till they drain) and then I spray the inside top of my dome and leave them in a dome over a heating pad. Would u say this is a good way of doing it or should I change up conditions?

Thanks again sorry to hijack gotta check the rest of the journal like I said I went straight to quote

[gonejah17]

Originally Posted by Sloppy G

What grow are you guys refering to? I cant find it anywhere. I would really appreciate it if anyone had a link to this...

did u find what u needed from the links MrGoodStuff sent u or were u looking for the video on cloning? the video is on ganjaguerilla.net which might be down right now I havent been able to access it the past few days.

another good quote from Mr GoodStuff regarding clones and watering . . .

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

They just need more water in their mediums when they don't have roots. The misting helped, but keep the medium really moist for at least a few days. They can survive without roots for a long, long time but you need to keep the medium really moist, that's the only way they can drink until they form roots. They will also lean over when they are thirsty like your's did, totally normal.

I would say if you have an easy to clone strain it would be hard to kill those clones unless you didn't water them in the early stages. Good job though, that bathroom is looking like the secret garden!

I think the gerneral rule of thumb for taking cuttings is at least 3 nodes long, but it can be cut I believe at any length - its just a matter of practical use I guess. But Im TOTALLY new to cloning so . . . .

Anyway pics look good man I think the humidome should work I dont see why not - let us know. sorry to blow up the thread hope the info helps

[IMgreen]

http://www.ganjaguerrilla.net/

It's not down...