Absolute Newbie's Absolute First Time

[gonejah17]

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

Hey man, never spray anything and put it under the lights. If they are on 18/6, spray about 15 minutes after the lights turn off. That way the plants are nice and cool and have 6 hours to dry. Not sure if spraying during the day would do that but, I can't imagine an organic spray would hurt them like that. You can just top the damaged areas; that plant is so big and bushy I doubt it would even notice it.

I feel u about light burn with foliar spray - but I dont think that was it this time

When I sprayed her down I left her on the floor for like 20 minutes out of the light, (not cuz I was worried about the light just wanted her away from other plants) plus I think the light burn from spraying is only an issue with HID's, no??? CUz I have the moms under long T12 flouros (they're so cool the plants can grow up into the lights) and I spray them with water under them all the time (ALL OF THEM) and have never gotten ANY damage on them from it. AND the damage is throughout the plant even places where theres NO WAY the weak flouro could have penetrated enough to focus light enough to cause light burn. SO I really dont think thats it.

GG doesnt recommend ANY pesticides (should have looked there huh?? stupid me) and says to use neem oil, I had forgotten about neem oil and thats what I will use from now on. Im just an idiot for trying it on my best plant lol but she was getting eaten and I was freaking out. Oh well I just hope she pulls through. Shes looking pretty rough and I clipped off all the damage so shes just in shambles for the time being. We shall see. I have one kush and one sadhu germinating too.

[mordgrow]

Originally Posted by gonejah17

I feel u about light burn with foliar spray - but I dont think that was it this time

When I sprayed her down I left her on the floor for like 20 minutes out of the light, (not cuz I was worried about the light just wanted her away from other plants) plus I think the light burn from spraying is only an issue with HID's, no???

yep, only HID

Originally Posted by gonejah17

CUz I have the moms under long T12 flouros (they're so cool the plants can grow up into the lights) and I spray them with water under them all the time (ALL OF THEM) and have never gotten ANY damage on them from it. AND the damage is throughout the plant even places where theres NO WAY the weak flouro could have penetrated enough to focus light enough to cause light burn. SO I really dont think thats it.

GG doesnt recommend ANY pesticides (should have looked there huh?? stupid me) and says to use neem oil, I had forgotten about neem oil and thats what I will use from now on. Im just an idiot for trying it on my best plant lol but she was getting eaten and I was freaking out. Oh well I just hope she pulls through. Shes looking pretty rough and I clipped off all the damage so shes just in shambles for the time being. We shall see. I have one kush and one sadhu germinating too.

neem oil is best, but some pestisides work.. i'm sure it will pull through, have you seen the awful condition of some of my plants?

[gonejah17]

Thanks for the response mord, Yeah Ima get some neem oil - gotta get a tds meter too AND a new PH meter too so Im trying to allocate funds. (Yep. shits that tight right now, been spending too much on this hobby AND had to get a new dual 2.66 MACPRO and some more studio shit OUCH ) So when I myself bounce back from my hit financially Ill be able to get what I need to help my plants bounce back from any hits they may take in the future. REALLY need to get a tds meter but I dont wanna just get a cheap one i wanna wait and get a hanna trimeter or something so I'm set.

Shit mord . . . . Ill match u worst pic for worst pic. U wont believe how bad perky looks right now my baby!!!! bet u cant beat how bad shes doin lol but maybe u can. And lol if u can itll just lift my spirits so bring it on . . .
SO u still havent told me about ALASKA and dont say google it

[SmknVTEC]

Shit man that sucks we best stick with the Neem oil for recommendations.

[gonejah17]

Yep guess so, Ed R has some pest shit now too I guess so that probly works well.

I this a hermie???



I dont know if those spiky things are female or what

As u can see, still havent killed the male clone - hes kicking it

I know I gotta get rid of him I would love to find someone that wants him.

Well I went in there and my vegging clones look good, the perky clone was looking like she was deficient tho

VEG CLONES

You can see The Perky clone her leaves are curled up and shes looking yellow like shes not getting enough N maybe??

SO I was like I gotta get this right, I bit the bullet and got myself a TDS meter, it meters tds ec and temp I wanted to get a tri meter but just couldnt swing it right now, I will wait and get a truncheon ph meter and then I should be set. I like this tds meter so far

tho now I REALLY gotta figure out what Im doing. I checked the tds with the recommended dosage of growbig and it was super low. So I got some GH Flora as well (I was going to anyway eventually)

Im going to use the Lucas Formula. Im starting at 0-5-10 cuz Im vegging under flouros is this right?? hope so cuz I switched out my rez

The rez is 10 gallon so it says 0-5-10 thats per gallon so 10 gallons 0-50-100 simple enuff. So did some figuring and a common 2 oz shotglass holds 50ml perfect got a few of those lol. So 1 shot micro and 2 shots bloom into my 10 gallon rez correct?? Did that and checked the tds it was at 1260 - I figured thats close enough my target is 1300 correct?? this is at .7

Im still figuring all this out any help or questions are greatly appreciated.

SO well see if this helps with the leaf curl - by my estimations the plants SHOULD be getting 0-5-10 now which is what Lucas recommends for veg under flouro

Gotta switch the flower res tomorrow - I think its 0-8-16 but I might be wrong Ill check before I switch it out.

K plants

Veg clones revistited lol

The Margie clone has shot up past the perky clone. The shorty clone has rooted too, I put her in the tray before she even rooted to see if it was NEEDED to wait the week plus for the thing to root. It probly IS needed usually but this one is starting to bust some leaves out so I know shes rooted just by being put basically straight into the ebb and flow.

here she is



And the margie clone. I LOVE MK I hope this shit is bomb

Im considering taking these two nice clones and xplanting them into soil as moms. What do you think?? I should just bud them huh??? We'll see - I want to get a few more healthy ones going first. AND see how PERKY ends up fairing.

K heres Perky she doesnt look THAT bad in the pics but trust me shes a shadow of her former self lol

Hit u with the birds eye first cuz it looks better.

And the profile

Shes coming back. I hope!!!

Heres a misc pic of her stem width. Is this a normal width or thin or thicker than average??? jsut curious how my fans are working in that respect.

Shes pretty sturdy. ANd shes not gonna bud (MAYBE do floerwing clones) so she doesnt need to support huge colas.

Heres LEGS

Shes doin nice. They like the flouros.

Legs profile

Shes the new star lol

MArgies dope too tho. A littel stretchy but Im thinking of taking some tops as clones once my success ratio is higher.

Love the top pics. so beautiful

MArgie profile

A liiiiiitle streeeeetchy

Swazi (took some more clones of her thats one dope thing about sativa they veg faster so they give u more clones)

Shes nice too, to think she came from one little spear herself

Tha twins

They're coming in nice, u were right mord to LST sooner it seemed to soon to me but u were right they grow into it better and look how low and bushy they are!!!! nodes are SUPER tight!!! they are like 3-4 inches off the pot!!! Shorty on the left and Stunner on the Right

SHorty

Another beauty - got a clone of her goin Im HOPING female this was a seed from some bagkush

And Stunner

These babies have real thick stems too. tucked back the shade leaved and the undergrowth exploded on them!!


And thats it for now - right now Im a sponge on hydro info. SO let me know everything u can. Im thinking of using rapid rooters as oppose to little rw cubes, but putting them into larger rw cubes once they root through, then lucas formula 0-5-10 for veg under t5 flouros and whatever he recommends for flowering think its 0-8-16 under 400W HPS each with ebb flow with rocks.




oh and heres some DIESEL kush (yeah right this is the dude who just names shit) that I JUST found a seed in!! WOO HOO this is from the same ppl I got shorty's seed from. So now I have a GDP seed wating, some sadhu waiting, one hindu master kush, one purple erkle, and one "diesel kush" ALL waiting for me to REALLY know what im doing and then Im gonna do them up. have the best out of those I can for moms and do my thang thang

"SDK" Pretty good

[SmknVTEC]

Your first two pics are of a male not a hermie; no female pistils there. Female pistils are white.

[gonejah17]

thanks yo, whats the deal with the spikes???

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Under floros the 0-5-10 for veg might be too strong, you should start out at 700 PPM on a .7 meter and work your way up 100 PPM every week until you see tip burn- and then you back up 100 PPM to be safe. Whatever the 0-5-10 comes to on your meter should be your target, not a specific number like 1300 or 1400. However when vegging it might be too strong so start off weak and work your way up. You can always feed them more (they look sick but come right back, unlike with burns that do not heal)

The Lucas formula is a bloom formula though- you can veg with it but it might be too strong at full strength.

So start with 700 PPM on the .7 meter and work your way up. I found that 1.0 EC was great for veg under floros, never tried feeding them more though because they were doing so well at that strength.

[gonejah17]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Under floros the 0-5-10 for veg might be too strong, you should start out at 700 PPM on a .7 meter and work your way up 100 PPM every week until you see tip burn- and then you back up 100 PPM to be safe. Whatever the 0-5-10 comes to on your meter should be your target, not a specific number like 1300 or 1400. However when vegging it might be too strong so start off weak and work your way up. You can always feed them more (they look sick but come right back, unlike with burns that do not heal)

The Lucas formula is a bloom formula though- you can veg with it but it might be too strong at full strength.

So start with 700 PPM on the .7 meter and work your way up. I found that 1.0 EC was great for veg under floros, never tried feeding them more though because they were doing so well at that strength.

FROM LUCAS THREAD "I Do Not Recommend using 0-5-10 for anything except fluorescent lights. For Blooming, and vegging under High Pressure Sodium, I recommend 0-8-16

whoever gave the impression that 0-5-10 is good for vegging.. was making life more complicated than necessary, and inviting Magnesium defficiency, which is helped by adding Cal Mag, or epsom salt

but I dont recommend Any Cal Mag or Epsom with 0-8-16

I disavow any knowledge of having ever recommended 0-5-10 for Anything but florescent lights."

so I dont get it man, can u explain to me?? Also, how do I reduce the ppm in a res?? probably an easy answer but Im not sure. You say keep upping the ppm till I see tip burns then lower it yeah?? So how do I lower it w/o dumping the res??

The 0-5-10 came to about 1300 so is that my target??? I dont get it. Also, does the ph down (powder) add to ppm??? thanks for all ur help Im not doubting anything ur saying just trying to get a grasp on it. I dont want to dump my res again just switched them BOTH out for what I THOUGHT was the last time for a while.

ps see the leaf curl?? can u diagnose???

[Mr.GoodStuff]

0-5-10 is the strongest you can go under floro, and it burned my plants in veg so I recommend starting at half that with a .7 meter- 700 PPM and work your way up. Under HID starting full strength is supposedly alright (no experience with this yet) but it was recommended to me that I start off at 1.0 EC under floros and work my way up to 1.6 EC- and when you see tip burn back off it.

The thread can be a little confusing but stick with it and you will see the right material you are looking for- trust me, it's there.

You dont have to dump the rez if it's too strong- that's the beauty of this formula. Just add more water until it's at the right strength, unless you have a huge rez and that's not an option. That would suck

[gonejah17]

thanks man!!!!

I need to back off then cuz like I said Im at around 1300 right now.

gotta check the exact EC.

What about the fact that I have a little veg tray with 2 clones that are older and more established and im putting new ones in all the time. How should i deal with this nute wise?? I want to get the larger ones sufficient nutes but I dont want to fry the small ones. Ill figure it out Im sure the larger ones are big enough to put in the 0-8-16 tray soon anyway. We should start a lucas formula thread man!!


Hey man can u do a little rapid rooter tutorial man i picked some up cuz I was out of rw cubes and I know u use rapid rooters so I wanted to see what they're all about.

It says on the pack to leave them in 1/4 inch water in the tray is this what u do?? Im planning on just trying to keep them moist. The hole is rather large on them too so I made a smaller hole with a toothpick for the smaller clones Im using.

Let me know man and thanks again for the help with the shit. Ill check my ec and report back. gotta get to know my meter lol

PS IM THINKING ABOUT NUMBERS . . . .

Im basically past the limit for CA rules on plants. I have like 9 in veg and 5 in flower or something. Not mature yet but still flowering. I pulled 3 small clones that had rooted but werent really shit (just experiments) and now I have to figure out what Im gonna do.

I might bud perky and depending how she does either take some flowering clones and scrap her or just bud her for some big colas . . . then take the nice perky clone and have her be the perky mom??? Before I do this I will take some more clones of her. Gotta have a Perky MOM

Then that will cut one from veg and once I get it right my clones will be str8 to flower and select 6 for moms?

cuz I just was experimenting getting it right (and still am) but now I have some rooted and Im getting past the limit which scares me. The landlord still doesnt know and if and when he finds out I want to be able to be like "look at the posted law on the wall I am within state law."

so lemme know

[mordgrow]

Originally Posted by gonejah17

The landlord still doesnt know and if and when he finds out I want to be able to be like "look at the posted law on the wall I am within state law."

so lemme know

understand this:

you may be "legal" by the state law, but your still violating federal law; best bet with ANY grow op, "legal" or not, is not to let A N Y O N E know about it; especialy your landlord.

looks good man, kill that fuckin male. that should help with your plant numbers


PS, i wana see you circle LST those plants all the way around the outside edge of that pot! Bonzi! (better light penitration, which is a healthier plant, etc etc..)

[gonejah17]

yeah Im not telling anyone about it except my girl and definitely not the landlord

but my op is defintely NOT stealth, so I want to be within the legal limits of the state law. If he wants to charge me with federal counts Ill laugh.