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Mr.GoodStuff · #46 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 05:12 PM

The third and final round of Mazar and Blueberry are now rooting, about a week from cutting them. 100% success rate, so with the 6 Purple Kush clones, we have 20 rooting plants!

I'm not sure what to even do with them all.

I mean I have an idea, but it's a lot of plants!

I was thinking of 4 Purple Kush, 4 Mazar, and 4 Blueberry. But that would leave me with 2 left over Kush, 5 left over Mazar, and a single left over Blueberry plant. Oh well, what can ya do.

We are going to get another 4in inline fan to vent the veg tent and will be using the 400 watt HPS ballast with 400 watt metal halide conversion bulb that we started our very first veg under. 12 plants will be vegging under about 600-700 watts, 400 metal halide and 200-300 floro.

Also the 4 Kush will be going in river systems 2 and the 4 Mazar and 4 Blueberry will be going in the ebb&flow system. I'll post pictures as soon as everything is put together, it will be the final round in this house.

I still need some stuff to complete the grow I'm planning but I have 4 months to get it together so I should be good hopefully.

Wish me luck!

@ Brokencage-

I haven't done the Lucas formula yet because I haven't bought the nutrients. I have been spending a lot of money lately on rounding out the flowering chamber with air stones and air pumps, some wood 10" squares that are 1/2" thick and I just stuck 2 under each bucket to make them raised up 1". I could see some of the root system had died already from sitting in water, but some roots were coming back! I should have a healthy root system like your's soon I hope!

These things are very important too me, and I got the Advanced Nutrients figured out, I just need to stop feeding them so much and need to feed at a lower Ph. I will be switching to the Lucas formula for ease of use and good results though. I just need to get the major element of the oxygen in the root zone taken care of first.

I did notice that raising the buckets up 1" was a really good idea that I should have done from the beginning because they suggested it. It leaves like half the water it did before! I still need a commercial air pump though... It's like $75. I have been spending money like crazy lately on this thing. It seems like it will never end!

I spent $200 on new fans, CFLs, and air pumps. And I STILL need to spend another couple hundred to get the inline fan and river systems built. At least when it's all put together I won't have to keep investing, but damn even for a hobby this growing for yourself thing can get expensive!

brokencage · #47 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 05:18 PM

laffn its not cheap thats for sure!!I cant wait to see how the river system works for ya.!

Mr.GoodStuff · #48 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 08:07 PM

The 32 plant design is based off of single-cola style SOG setup like Al B Fuct posted about.

It would use 4 main reservoirs with different strength Lucas formula geared for each two week stage of flowering. It would start off only needing 1 thousand watt light, but as time goes on you would add more lights as the plants fill the tent. When filled, you would be using 3000 watts for flower. This is going off the customary 100 watts for each plant. 2000 would do it, but not at peak performance. 2000 watts would be better for 20 or so plants I think, but again I'm just going off of the minimum plant requirements and not the light spread on the bulb. Someone please correct this if it is wrong.

I do not want to waste light or recommend people waste light, but it seems more plants need more light, regardless of the light spread on the bulb. Is this right?

My plans for my first personal grow when I move out are at the bottom. It will use 12 plants instead of 16, so I can space out the plants more and do a SCROG. I would do 16 if I was doing SOG, but I will be vegging a couple weeks longer so the plants could use more room I think. In the future I will most likely move to either two twin SCROG tents under 1,600 watts, one for veg one for flower- or add more light to the flowering chamber and do the harvest every 2 week thing. We'll see which I like doing more.

I'm not sure if adding straight nutrient to the main reservoir will be OK because of all the water contained in the buckets, so I planned on having an extra reservoir to adjust the PPM or PH when needed. I would just pump all the water from the system into another reservoir on the ground, adjust it, and then pump it back. I'm not sure if I will need to do this, but I have planned on it just in case. I also will be using a powerful 1270 gallons per hour water pump to stir the reservoir when I need to adjust the solution if I don't need the seperate reservoir after all. I guess I'll have a good idea when I use my mini river systems for the Kush though. If the plants suffer from adding nutrients to the main reservoir, mixing it in and then circulating it again- I'll need another reservoir to adjust the solution in. No biggie.

What do you guys think?

brokencage · #49 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 09:18 PM

Bro I think its alot of extra work.tbh Im curious why your looking to such a intensive system when you already have a proven one that works well?Its not that im not interested in the results mind you but Why not stick with what you have?Spend what you need to to iron out the few wrinkles you had and get on with recouping some much needed flow.K.I.S.S bro.Anyway Im with ya whatever you do.

Mr.GoodStuff · #50 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 09:51 PM

It's not my system for one

Plus, I think the system can be improved, so that's what I'm gonna do. It's in my blood.

The ebb&flow technology is sound, it is part of the design even. However the setups are not mine. I bet I could improve it enough with digital timers so the flood doesn't hold... But still, the river system is something I really want to try for a variety of reasons. I came up with the design myself, of course I want to build it.

Constant supply of fresh oxygen and nutrient is what I'm looking for, just without having to fuck with 12 DWC buckets.

I know what you are saying though, it's just I have to think of something and I don't want to spend another $500 on something I could build instead for half that, and have constant fresh oxygen and nutrient delivery.

brokencage · #51 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 10:27 PM

You might want to take a look at the bio buckets.they use a water fall design for aeration that might work well in a system like this.

Mr.GoodStuff · #52 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 11:17 PM

Dude, you are the man!!! I'm so glad to have met you!!!

Here I was worried about all of these air pumps and shit, and there is a perfect solution with this Bio Bucket waterfall effect. He was saying more than an air pump but I'm sure he wasn't talking about the ridiculous amount of air I was planning on, or the fact half the root system would be using misters!

I really like the idea though- took me awhile to get the concept; the pump fills the buckets that overflow into a big drain pipe that is the waterfall. Genius. Wish I would have thought of it! It really is a great design though, very impressed. I like how it wouldn't require 12 pumps to work plus 3 or 4 serious air pumps on top of that, however the exchange rate on my system design would be much, much higher than 18 times per hour. It would be closer to 46-61 times per hour

But, that's why I call it the "River System"! LOL

I will seriously be thinking about this a lot, I'll also be doing half river, half bio buckets for the Kush now that I heard about this.

Thank you so much brokencage! You da man bro!!!

brokencage · #53 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 11:29 PM

Lol no worry s bro.I seen it awhile ago.I also saw a good debate posted somewhere between the bio bucket creator and lucas.While lucas was skeptical about the supposed bio benefits he was very impressed with the oxygen delivery of the water fall,and swears its the resone for the sucsess of the system..Keep us posted!!

On a side note I think I may be starting to sound like a broken record."Lucas says this." and" but Lucas thinks That"!!!Fuck! But shit,iv learnt so much from reading his posts its hard not to!!

Mr.GoodStuff · #54 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 11:49 PM

Hey, you don't have to explain to me! I am a firm believer in follow the leader. The best are meant to be looked up to!

Mr.GoodStuff · #55 (**permalink**) 08-02-2007, 05:15 PM

This is a new design I came up with thanks to the help of brokencage. After seeing the design behind the "bio-bucket", and seeing how similar it was to my design I was very pleased to see it's unique way of aerating the water with a waterfall instead of using lots of air pumps. This would lower the amount of power and noise that would be involved with my design. It would also simplify a lot of things such as not having to clean airstones, and not needing a seperate reservoir to adjust in. I would just install drains on each bucket so I could drain the whole system into the reservoir to adjust the solution.

I really like the idea of overflowing the bucket into a drain line up top instead of down low, so that you can have a waterfall that provides lots of oxygen without needing lots of power using airpumps. It is a genius idea, that's for sure.

It would use more water than I was originally planning on using so it would circulate much less than the system I designed. This is supposedly more than OK though because it would circulate like 3 times more than the minimum they suggest. The trick is supposed to be the waterfall producing more dissolved oxygen than airstones can, but I will be testing that with meters and going with the system that performs the best side-by-side.

Thanks again brokencage!

brokencage · #56 (**permalink**) 08-02-2007, 05:51 PM

Looks Interesting!!I cant wait to see it in action!!

Mr.GoodStuff · #57 (**permalink**) 08-02-2007, 05:55 PM

Thanks bro! I owe the new design to you! The waterfall is an awesome idea!!!

brokencage · #58 (**permalink**) 08-02-2007, 06:14 PM

Not mine!!!I just passed along somthing I had seen in my many many nights of reading.Iv been like a sponge the last couple months.sucking in all the info I can find.There is soo much to learn and there is soo much info out there.the trick is picking through whats really good info and whats not as good but may sound like it is.

Mr.GoodStuff · #59 (**permalink**) 08-02-2007, 08:51 PM

I know it's not your idea, it wasn't even the idea of the guy I learned it from. It's just you made the design possible, thank you!!!

I feel ya about the information that sounds good but might not be. It's hard to find people who really know what they are talking about.

D Rock · #60 (**permalink**) 08-03-2007, 03:29 AM

Mr. Goodstuff you sir are a terrific Marijuana grower I just got done reading through your thread and am jealous that I didnt go with a 4x8 hut like you, instead I went with the 4x4 you should know you commented on my thread but I dont have the money or space to go with a bigger setup like yours. Nice grow and must give you rep for sure!!

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#46 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 05:12 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	Final Round Rooting! The third and final round of Mazar and Blueberry are now rooting, about a week from cutting them. 100% success rate, so with the 6 Purple Kush clones, we have 20 rooting plants! I'm not sure what to even do with them all. I mean I have an idea, but it's a lot of plants! I was thinking of 4 Purple Kush, 4 Mazar, and 4 Blueberry. But that would leave me with 2 left over Kush, 5 left over Mazar, and a single left over Blueberry plant. Oh well, what can ya do. We are going to get another 4in inline fan to vent the veg tent and will be using the 400 watt HPS ballast with 400 watt metal halide conversion bulb that we started our very first veg under. 12 plants will be vegging under about 600-700 watts, 400 metal halide and 200-300 floro. Also the 4 Kush will be going in river systems 2 and the 4 Mazar and 4 Blueberry will be going in the ebb&flow system. I'll post pictures as soon as everything is put together, it will be the final round in this house. I still need some stuff to complete the grow I'm planning but I have 4 months to get it together so I should be good hopefully. Wish me luck! @ Brokencage- I haven't done the Lucas formula yet because I haven't bought the nutrients. I have been spending a lot of money lately on rounding out the flowering chamber with air stones and air pumps, some wood 10" squares that are 1/2" thick and I just stuck 2 under each bucket to make them raised up 1". I could see some of the root system had died already from sitting in water, but some roots were coming back! I should have a healthy root system like your's soon I hope! These things are very important too me, and I got the Advanced Nutrients figured out, I just need to stop feeding them so much and need to feed at a lower Ph. I will be switching to the Lucas formula for ease of use and good results though. I just need to get the major element of the oxygen in the root zone taken care of first. I did notice that raising the buckets up 1" was a really good idea that I should have done from the beginning because they suggested it. It leaves like half the water it did before! I still need a commercial air pump though... It's like $75. I have been spending money like crazy lately on this thing. It seems like it will never end! I spent $200 on new fans, CFLs, and air pumps. And I STILL need to spend another couple hundred to get the inline fan and river systems built. At least when it's all put together I won't have to keep investing, but damn even for a hobby this growing for yourself thing can get expensive! __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System Last edited by Mr.GoodStuff; 08-01-2007 at 05:17 PM.

#47 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 05:18 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	laffn its not cheap thats for sure!!I cant wait to see how the river system works for ya.!

#48 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 08:07 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	River System 4X8 Hydro Hut Designs The 32 plant design is based off of single-cola style SOG setup like Al B Fuct posted about. It would use 4 main reservoirs with different strength Lucas formula geared for each two week stage of flowering. It would start off only needing 1 thousand watt light, but as time goes on you would add more lights as the plants fill the tent. When filled, you would be using 3000 watts for flower. This is going off the customary 100 watts for each plant. 2000 would do it, but not at peak performance. 2000 watts would be better for 20 or so plants I think, but again I'm just going off of the minimum plant requirements and not the light spread on the bulb. Someone please correct this if it is wrong. I do not want to waste light or recommend people waste light, but it seems more plants need more light, regardless of the light spread on the bulb. Is this right? My plans for my first personal grow when I move out are at the bottom. It will use 12 plants instead of 16, so I can space out the plants more and do a SCROG. I would do 16 if I was doing SOG, but I will be vegging a couple weeks longer so the plants could use more room I think. In the future I will most likely move to either two twin SCROG tents under 1,600 watts, one for veg one for flower- or add more light to the flowering chamber and do the harvest every 2 week thing. We'll see which I like doing more. I'm not sure if adding straight nutrient to the main reservoir will be OK because of all the water contained in the buckets, so I planned on having an extra reservoir to adjust the PPM or PH when needed. I would just pump all the water from the system into another reservoir on the ground, adjust it, and then pump it back. I'm not sure if I will need to do this, but I have planned on it just in case. I also will be using a powerful 1270 gallons per hour water pump to stir the reservoir when I need to adjust the solution if I don't need the seperate reservoir after all. I guess I'll have a good idea when I use my mini river systems for the Kush though. If the plants suffer from adding nutrients to the main reservoir, mixing it in and then circulating it again- I'll need another reservoir to adjust the solution in. No biggie. What do you guys think? __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#49 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 09:18 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	Bro I think its alot of extra work.tbh Im curious why your looking to such a intensive system when you already have a proven one that works well?Its not that im not interested in the results mind you but Why not stick with what you have?Spend what you need to to iron out the few wrinkles you had and get on with recouping some much needed flow.K.I.S.S bro.Anyway Im with ya whatever you do.

#50 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 09:51 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	It's not my system for one Plus, I think the system can be improved, so that's what I'm gonna do. It's in my blood. The ebb&flow technology is sound, it is part of the design even. However the setups are not mine. I bet I could improve it enough with digital timers so the flood doesn't hold... But still, the river system is something I really want to try for a variety of reasons. I came up with the design myself, of course I want to build it. Constant supply of fresh oxygen and nutrient is what I'm looking for, just without having to fuck with 12 DWC buckets. I know what you are saying though, it's just I have to think of something and I don't want to spend another $500 on something I could build instead for half that, and have constant fresh oxygen and nutrient delivery. __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System Last edited by Mr.GoodStuff; 08-01-2007 at 09:56 PM.

#51 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 10:27 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	You might want to take a look at the bio buckets.they use a water fall design for aeration that might work well in a system like this.

#52 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 11:17 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	Dude, you are the man!!! I'm so glad to have met you!!! Here I was worried about all of these air pumps and shit, and there is a perfect solution with this Bio Bucket waterfall effect. He was saying more than an air pump but I'm sure he wasn't talking about the ridiculous amount of air I was planning on, or the fact half the root system would be using misters! I really like the idea though- took me awhile to get the concept; the pump fills the buckets that overflow into a big drain pipe that is the waterfall. Genius. Wish I would have thought of it! It really is a great design though, very impressed. I like how it wouldn't require 12 pumps to work plus 3 or 4 serious air pumps on top of that, however the exchange rate on my system design would be much, much higher than 18 times per hour. It would be closer to 46-61 times per hour But, that's why I call it the "River System"! LOL I will seriously be thinking about this a lot, I'll also be doing half river, half bio buckets for the Kush now that I heard about this. Thank you so much brokencage! You da man bro!!! __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#53 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 11:29 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	Lol no worry s bro.I seen it awhile ago.I also saw a good debate posted somewhere between the bio bucket creator and lucas.While lucas was skeptical about the supposed bio benefits he was very impressed with the oxygen delivery of the water fall,and swears its the resone for the sucsess of the system..Keep us posted!! On a side note I think I may be starting to sound like a broken record."Lucas says this." and" but Lucas thinks That"!!!Fuck! But shit,iv learnt so much from reading his posts its hard not to!!

#54 (permalink) 08-01-2007, 11:49 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	Hey, you don't have to explain to me! I am a firm believer in follow the leader. The best are meant to be looked up to! __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#56 (permalink) 08-02-2007, 05:51 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	Looks Interesting!!I cant wait to see it in action!!

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#57 (permalink) 08-02-2007, 05:55 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	Thanks bro! I owe the new design to you! The waterfall is an awesome idea!!! __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#58 (permalink) 08-02-2007, 06:14 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	Not mine!!!I just passed along somthing I had seen in my many many nights of reading.Iv been like a sponge the last couple months.sucking in all the info I can find.There is soo much to learn and there is soo much info out there.the trick is picking through whats really good info and whats not as good but may sound like it is.

#59 (permalink) 08-02-2007, 08:51 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Behind Your Eyes Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a village of hydrohuts Posts: 2,457	I know it's not your idea, it wasn't even the idea of the guy I learned it from. It's just you made the design possible, thank you!!! I feel ya about the information that sounds good but might not be. It's hard to find people who really know what they are talking about. __________________ Finally harvesting and smoking my own weed again! Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#60 (permalink) 08-03-2007, 03:29 AM
D Rock Damn The Man! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Down By Da Beach Mon Posts: 155	Mr. Goodstuff you sir are a terrific Marijuana grower I just got done reading through your thread and am jealous that I didnt go with a 4x8 hut like you, instead I went with the 4x4 you should know you commented on my thread but I dont have the money or space to go with a bigger setup like yours. Nice grow and must give you rep for sure!!