Here We Grow Again- Mazar, Blueberry, and Purple Kush

[Help_Needed]

Ditto .

Glad your back and all is going well. You've been missed.

[doob3r]

where you at Mr.G?

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Sorry everybody but I can't seem to get the show together yet... I'm still alright, although I had a problem with one of the owners of the shop I was working at and now that's no more.

Right now I'm trying to find a new job... Stuff should be ready in a month but I'm flat broke until then.

I will pick the thread back up one day but that won't be until I can get the internet set up at the house. Until then I'm just trying to make it and it sucks.

I was starting to get worried working at the hydro shop I was working at as many could imagine... Talk of DEA lurking about and shit

So it was for the best, but I should have found another job before I fought with an owner over some bullshit... Should have just backed down and found another job before I blew up.

It's a long story and I'm not going to bore you all with it- and I wish I had some pictures of all that has happened with my garden, but I don't.

I have learned a lot about the industry though and wish to share it all with you as soon as I can!

I have to go now, but take care everybody! Thanks for holding out for so long guys!


-MGS

[doob3r]

good to see you posting man!

sorry to hear of all the bull shit, keep your head up and stay positive man.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Good to see ya man! I'm trying to stay positive, but I'm kinda disinterested with life right now. It's hard to explain, but I just wish my crop would get here and stay here for once...

Instead of this 4X8 tent I'm going to go with 3X3 tents so I can have some flexability... The 4X8 performs well but I'm married to one technique and one strain kinda. With multiple smaller areas, you have the ability to do a perpetual harvest in one and a SCROG in the other, and even another area for multiple strains and even organically-grown (soil) plants.

You could shut one down if you have too much, start one up if you are running out... It's just going to be another fucking investment.

I just want security and this bumper harvest idea wasn't the best idea in the world- I crowded them out too much and wasted a bunch of veg time. So the bumper harvest isn't going to be so bumper

I'll get it right one of these days, but I don't think running so many lights is a good idea for me when I don't know this plant that well. I think I wasted a lot of money.

It's better to have it rolling in, then once in a while- I've thought about doing another crop in the 4X8 because of how much money I've lost so far (investing even more would be hard)

But perpetual harvest seems to be the ticket, and you need to have seperate areas to do that. I should have just used the 4X4 to flower in and vegged out side of it against the wall or something and did a perpetual SOG... Fuck life is just so damn hard sometimes...

People want me to teach them how to grow plants... Thank me for helping them even- and it's ME that needs to be taught how to grow plants LOL At least how to get a large yeild and not waste time and energy!!!

[AugustWest]

hey man.. good seeing you!

Hope everything works out for ya.. it always does, just hang in bro.

and yeah i think perpetual harvest of reasonable sized plants is the way to go.. for a personal grow anyway.

peace

[Mr.GoodStuff]

I'm wasting time trying to get a large yeild I think- it would have been great, sure- but now I'm thinking slow and steady would have been a much better idea with my skill level at the time...


If I fucked up a little bit it wouldn't have been such a huge waste like this was... I fucked up pretty bad considering what I would have right now if I would have done it differently... I cut off so much plant that just got crowded out and shaded.

I have a friend that is trying to help me yeild better and he says to keep the 4x8 for another round and just veg 3 weeks, but I'm thinking I'm just kidding myself every day I'm not setting up a perpetual SOG...

What do you think? Take down the 4x8 and start a perpetual SOG? Or try one more round in it?

I really want to do 2 areas... I think I would feel more secure to have one area flowing (perpetual) and the other coming in every 3 months (scrog)

[IMgreen]

hey MrGS

You run into some shit now and again don't ya?

I dont mean to make light - but damn, better you then me!!

and yeah i think perpetual harvest of reasonable sized plants is the way to go.. for a personal grow anyway.

Me too!

seems harder to try to max out a per plant yield

[Help_Needed]

Funny, I was just thinking about you last night and wondering how things were going. Sorry to hear about all the problems and hope you're back soon.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Alright so life is starting to sort itself out, and it looks like I'm going to have the internet at my house again soon!

I'm going to college for creative writing- life is going to change a lot for me. I need another job that both pays well and doesn't make me sick though...

My father says he'll support me but I want to remain as independent as possible through this. I've thought of being a fireman but didn't have the time/money for school and didn't want to ask my dad for help...

Anyways I'm just going to bite the bullet and accept some help and try a different approach. Seems a lot easier than trying to work 40+ hours of week at one job, at least 10 hours a week on my garden, hours keeping the house and car clean as well as the fucking yard... AND trying to write a novel on the side LOL NOT WORKING

My father says he'll help me out on bills and spending money; and the garden looks like it should be a nice cushion this time around. I still want a part time job though...

I hope I'm not boring people with my life not related to growing cheeba...

Anyways I have a breakthrough piece of knowledge that I want to share with you all about marijuana growth in flower when the leaf temps raise above 75 degrees.

This run I used 3 600 watt bulbs in the 4X8 tent cooled by an 8in Ecoplus inline fan.

The air is sucked from my attic (filtered by this HEPA filter to keep dust, bugs or rats out) and blown through the hoods and back out into the attic and directed through a vent to outside. I have a backdraft damper on the end of the run so when the lights and fan turn off the bugs and rats can't get into the hoods from that end.

I'm using Sun System CoolSunXL's, with 8'' air cooling. The new ones with the hinged glass and aerodynamic junction boxes.

To make a long story short, the 8in fan isn't blowing hard enough to cool all the hoods properly. The first hood in the line is air cooled just fine- I could write a book underneath that light no problem and be cool as can be.

When I first installed the system I could tell the first hood was cooled better than the last, but it seemed OK. My boss at the hydro shop I worked at told me a plant scientist friend of his that tests these high-tech spinning light rigs (think HID lights on a ceiling fan) had data that shows a 10% loss of yeild for every degree the plants leaves go over 75 (up to 80 with some varieties).

I didn't really buy it at first- after all, I mean that's some high-tech shit we're talking. Leaf temps??? LOL

But now I don't just believe it- I know it's true. When you guys finally see pictures again of this run, you'll see the area underneath the first (properly cooled) hood has the chunkiest Mazar buds I've seen since my first run with Advanced Nutrients.

The last hood has the smallest buds.

What's more -and this is the biggest proof- the leaves underneath the cool hood are staying green, and the leaves underneath the hot hoods are burning to a crisp. It's like a landing strip of heat stress on the buds. It looks like a hill!

What's happening biologically is that the heat is causing the plant to not be able to uptake as many nutrients. It's plain to see- clones on the same food, under the same amount of light, in the same ambient temperature at the trunk- are developing differently. The only difference is the leaf tempertures at the canopy.

What do you know? Leaf temps- 74-78 underneath the cool hood, 80-84 underneath the middle hood and 80-86 underneath the last hood.

I had to use a $60 infrared thermometer do get those readings, because normal thermometers were saying it wasn't getting over 80 in the area, even set in the light directly underneath the hood. The leaves heat up and need to be blown around with an occilating fan, and with tents it's not practical to use occilating fans accept for underneath the cannopy. Axial fans don't work because they cause the leaves to dry out too blowing on the plants all the time with the lights on.

So if maximum yeild is sought in a hydrohut or similar confined space- priority number one is air cooling the hood to the point leaf temps are below 80. This is why Rumpleforskings buds are so huge, the cool tube_ 4in fan he uses cools the 400 watt to a point plants can grow into the fixture and not burn. (although I'd imagine at this point there is some yeild loss from overheating the leaves, it might be fine- it may be cooled THAT well)

Anyways I have proof of how important it is to cool the hood properly- having fans everywhere is almost the same type of thing but is more practical in a room not a tent. I think that air cooling the bulb is better than fans though; the leaves still heat up.

Leaf temps below 80 and the buds are fucking massive- leaf temps above 80 and the buds get smaller and smaller the higher the temp goes! It looks like a deficency but it's from the environment not being optimal- that's why the leaves keep burning on me!

I'm going to try adding another 8in fan to the other side of the run to see if low cfm's are my problem (which is what I think it is)

Sorry so long this time but this was a huge discovery for me and I wanted to share it with you all.

Take care!!!

[doob3r]

Mr.G glad to hear all is working out man, for real,

interesting stuff on leaf temps

[IMgreen]

I'd like to see the pics - when you putting those up?

[The_Joker]

glad to see you back on the city. Really interesting finding, you have really learned alot it seems.

[Dr McNasty]

Wow, just spent the last 2 hours reading your log. Really great job man. You are super informative in every post you make. Hope all works out for you. Picture time? lol

[WELOVEWEED420]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Alright so life is starting to sort itself out, and it looks like I'm going to have the internet at my house again soon!

I'm going to college for creative writing- life is going to change a lot for me. I need another job that both pays well and doesn't make me sick though...

My father says he'll support me but I want to remain as independent as possible through this. I've thought of being a fireman but didn't have the time/money for school and didn't want to ask my dad for help...

Anyways I'm just going to bite the bullet and accept some help and try a different approach. Seems a lot easier than trying to work 40+ hours of week at one job, at least 10 hours a week on my garden, hours keeping the house and car clean as well as the fucking yard... AND trying to write a novel on the side LOL NOT WORKING

My father says he'll help me out on bills and spending money; and the garden looks like it should be a nice cushion this time around. I still want a part time job though...

I hope I'm not boring people with my life not related to growing cheeba...

Anyways I have a breakthrough piece of knowledge that I want to share with you all about marijuana growth in flower when the leaf temps raise above 75 degrees.

This run I used 3 600 watt bulbs in the 4X8 tent cooled by an 8in Ecoplus inline fan.

The air is sucked from my attic (filtered by this HEPA filter to keep dust, bugs or rats out) and blown through the hoods and back out into the attic and directed through a vent to outside. I have a backdraft damper on the end of the run so when the lights and fan turn off the bugs and rats can't get into the hoods from that end.

I'm using Sun System CoolSunXL's, with 8'' air cooling. The new ones with the hinged glass and aerodynamic junction boxes.

To make a long story short, the 8in fan isn't blowing hard enough to cool all the hoods properly. The first hood in the line is air cooled just fine- I could write a book underneath that light no problem and be cool as can be.

When I first installed the system I could tell the first hood was cooled better than the last, but it seemed OK. My boss at the hydro shop I worked at told me a plant scientist friend of his that tests these high-tech spinning light rigs (think HID lights on a ceiling fan) had data that shows a 10% loss of yeild for every degree the plants leaves go over 75 (up to 80 with some varieties).

I didn't really buy it at first- after all, I mean that's some high-tech shit we're talking. Leaf temps??? LOL

But now I don't just believe it- I know it's true. When you guys finally see pictures again of this run, you'll see the area underneath the first (properly cooled) hood has the chunkiest Mazar buds I've seen since my first run with Advanced Nutrients.

The last hood has the smallest buds.

What's more -and this is the biggest proof- the leaves underneath the cool hood are staying green, and the leaves underneath the hot hoods are burning to a crisp. It's like a landing strip of heat stress on the buds. It looks like a hill!

What's happening biologically is that the heat is causing the plant to not be able to uptake as many nutrients. It's plain to see- clones on the same food, under the same amount of light, in the same ambient temperature at the trunk- are developing differently. The only difference is the leaf tempertures at the canopy.

What do you know? Leaf temps- 74-78 underneath the cool hood, 80-84 underneath the middle hood and 80-86 underneath the last hood.

I had to use a $60 infrared thermometer do get those readings, because normal thermometers were saying it wasn't getting over 80 in the area, even set in the light directly underneath the hood. The leaves heat up and need to be blown around with an occilating fan, and with tents it's not practical to use occilating fans accept for underneath the cannopy. Axial fans don't work because they cause the leaves to dry out too blowing on the plants all the time with the lights on.

So if maximum yeild is sought in a hydrohut or similar confined space- priority number one is air cooling the hood to the point leaf temps are below 80. This is why Rumpleforskings buds are so huge, the cool tube_ 4in fan he uses cools the 400 watt to a point plants can grow into the fixture and not burn. (although I'd imagine at this point there is some yeild loss from overheating the leaves, it might be fine- it may be cooled THAT well)

Anyways I have proof of how important it is to cool the hood properly- having fans everywhere is almost the same type of thing but is more practical in a room not a tent. I think that air cooling the bulb is better than fans though; the leaves still heat up.

Leaf temps below 80 and the buds are fucking massive- leaf temps above 80 and the buds get smaller and smaller the higher the temp goes! It looks like a deficency but it's from the environment not being optimal- that's why the leaves keep burning on me!

I'm going to try adding another 8in fan to the other side of the run to see if low cfm's are my problem (which is what I think it is)

Sorry so long this time but this was a huge discovery for me and I wanted to share it with you all.

Take care!!!

ohhh then you really have to see my setup!!!!!! ill post on this forum and start a thread. oh man word for word u pretty much described my set the way i wanted it to be. prefect!

edit: labyrinth just gave me -RED REP for saying that i was going to post pictures! wow i love GC. this place is a fucken joke man