BC's multi-flow PPP-satori

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Dude, brilliant idea!!!

[brokencage]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Dude, brilliant idea!!!

Laffn.it happens once and awhile. the only problem is I cant find one that slides all the way out.But even half way would allow you to get to the back plants from the side.Iv got a few outstanding bills to get paid up this next two months but once i do I plan to upgrade this puppy abit.

[ibowl]

Wow broken cage, looks like you got yourself a great setup minus working out all the kinks. Im growing soil now and im looking more and more into hydro, a nice clean, non soil setup like that would be really nice. Ill be stopin by more often, good luck with getting females!

[brokencage]

Thanks.I love soil but outside!!.honestly though next time I have to start seeds again I will use a nice easy soilless like A perlite and vermiculite mix in individual pots.these PPPs are almost all different.The hashberry though all look just alike exept some are just abit fatter.nice uniform phenos.I cant wait to get a good sog going next grow with a nice uniform clone.

[brokencage]

quick update.Ok all have sexed exept one.final tally is 4 PPP and one Hashberry and still am not 100% on the hash berry.the pre flowers are still to small to tell.one of thePPP fems was so much smaller than the rest i pulled it out andhave put it outside.will see what it can do this fall.So out of 14 plants i hav 4 confermed fems.man iv had better luck thats for sure!!Oh well ill pick the best fem out of the bunch and sog the next run.pics later.I have been working in the tent all morning and to be honest im sick of fucking with em for the moment!!Man what a shit load of work pulling so many males and rearranging,cleaning and L.S.Ting.It will be intresting to see what i can pull out 0f these 3 PPP's.even if the remaining hash berry is fem I dont expect much out of her as the PPP's are way out growing it.but hell I pulled down 8 oz from one plant last time.so if these three at least match that ill be more than happy.After all it is all for me.

[brokencage]

Day 1 12/12 2 days shy of being 4 weeks old

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Looking great! Sorry to hear about the poor fem turnout though...

I'm interested about the plant you put outside too- would love to see the difference in indoor and outdoor-flowered PPP. Wish I could try putting plants outdoors... I live in the burbs.

I started flowering on my clones today too, and I have a question for ya.

When is it the best time to start flowering nutes? Right from 12/12 or from when you first see flowers?

And if I'm not using Bud Blood this time- do I keep the base nutrients the same or add more? I like the sound of the Lucas formula as well- especially in flowering because they say to phase out grow towards the end anyways.

I just don't want to burn them again...

[brokencage]

well thats the great thing about the lucas formula.its the same in veg.as it is in flower.I just slowely raise the ppms.its basicly 2 parts bloom to 1 part micro with a target ppm of around 1300 ppm @.7 that should come out to about 8ml per gallon micro and 16 ml bloom.grow is not used as the micro provides the nesasary N.so far my ppp seems to prefer a lighter dose of nutes.im still at 700ppm @.7conversion.I wont change a thing in my feeding stratagy exept to give them more as they need it.hell bro I have no intention of dumping my res unless it becomes necessary.so long as PH and ppms stay stable I wont dump as for adding back nutes i do it as needed when toping off using his add back calculator.

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.

My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Do you think my advanced nutrients will work with the lucas formula? And does he use any suppliments at all with this?

I'm kinda confused on the best time to add flowering nutrients as well. Should I do it right from 12/12 or wait for flower sites?

[brokencage]

here bro I cant remember if iv given you this link before but it is priceless in my opinion.some of the best info iv found yet.


https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=892

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Thanks for the link- I will definitely be reading it end-to-end. But I am at work and a 20-page thread is kinda impossible for me to skim through.

I guess my question should be... Do you add flowering nutes from 12/12 or from when you see flowers? I just started 12/12 so I gotta know. Last time we added them after they had flower sites.

I know I am lazy and don't want to search... Please help

[brokencage]

yes I would wait till you see flowers.feed the stretch.

[brokencage]

remember bro im learning right along with ya!!!IV been doing mad research and the opinions i ave developed are all due to the results of the things i have learned.my previous experiance growing outdoors and even vegetables have helped a great deal.but i still have so much to learn.all credit for these ideas go to the growers I have learned them from.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Ya, it's part of the reason I like talking to you about it! Our setups are almost identical too. We are n00bs helping each other become pro. It's a beautiful thing.

Thanks bro!

[brokencage]