fluoro grow!

mike827 · #1 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 04:33 AM

youngdro and i started our big bud fluoro grow.

using:

(grow room thread)

2 - 4' t8 34w fluoro tubes

5 - 90w equivalent (forgot actual wattage) CFL's

2 - 18" 1200 lumen (forgot wattage) fluoro tubes

1 - 10" fan for stem agitation and air circulation

2 - 5 gal bubble buckets with double outlet 150 gal air pumps (using 2 1" air stones), 5" net pots and 2" rockwool cubes.

in a 5ft w x 3ft d x 8ft t closet

using cup germination method.

as soon as tap root appears will transplant into bubble bucket system.

any suggestions?

pics to follow as soon as i borrow my friends camera.

updates to follow as soon as i have something to write about!

SmknVTEC · #2 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 07:37 AM

Sounds like it should be pretty nice.

mike827 · #3 (**permalink**) 05-30-2007, 02:42 AM

Plant Number 1 (herein referred to as Esteban (esto for short)) shot a small piece of a stem out of the ground!

Plant Number 2 (named Santana) was only cracked open (no tap root when i put her in the rockwool and bubble bucket) and still nothing yet.

But of course i didn't post to give you such a lousy update.

I had a question.

My nutrients liquid earth (i bought "grow", "bloom", and "vigor") have the following instructions:

(it also says [not shown] that one unit is equal to 1 teaspoon of nutrient per gallon of water)

So i followed them and put 4 teaspoons of grow and 4 teaspoons of vigor into my 5 gal bucket filled with 4.2 gallons of water. changed ph to ~5.8.

however, i read somewhere that you should start seeds on pure water, although i germinated in a cup full of water to get them to crack and show a taproot.

what do you think i should do/comments/suggestions?

thanks

SmknVTEC · #4 (**permalink**) 05-30-2007, 07:00 AM

Yeah, that's a lot of nutes for seedlings. However, hydro is a little different than soil. Tell me, what is the PPM of your nutrient solution?

mike827 · #5 (**permalink**) 06-02-2007, 11:16 PM

@smknVTEC - no i don't know my ppm currently which i know is bad

BUT the good news! Esteban appears healthy!

heres two pics!

But sadly, Santana still has not sprouted, although I checked and she has a nice taproot, so she should sprout by tomorrow

Any suggestions about when i should change the water?

i filled the buckets and nutes exactly last saturday.

mike827 · #6 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 04:57 AM

Well, looks like the recommended nutrient levels listed on my nutes was way off.

My leaves started turning yellow!

They've been on that largely concentrated solution for 8 days, and today i saw yellowing, so my partner in crime young dro diluted the buckets by removing 3 gallons (out of 4.2 gal) and replacing with tap, so its basically pH balanced tap and a small amount of nutes, if not entirely tap.

More pics tomorrow when i get the camera back.

Any ideas what i should do about nutes?

btw pH is about 6.0

SmknVTEC · #7 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 06:41 AM

You man,
You need a ppm meter. Your nutrient solution was obviously too high. You need to change the resevoir every week to 10 days tops. That is, drain it completely and refill it with fresh, pH ballanced water. Speaking of pH your pH at 6.0 is a bit high. It should be as close to 5.5 as possible. Go real easy on the nutes if at all until you get a ppm meter.

mike827 · #8 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 04:42 PM

thanks for the quick response. ive been in the market for a TDS meter, and im gonna do some more research about reccomended ppm levels in hydro. however, at what point in the grow are nutrients typically required? also, the cheapest meter i have seen so far was $70, any suggestions?

thanks

s0t7e2m3 · #9 (**permalink**) 06-05-2007, 01:14 AM

Hey bro, check out this place. I found 'em a while back and the product is good and it ships quick. I think i picked up the tds, and the ph and temp meter for around 80 or 90 bucks shipped.

http://stores.ebay.com/eSeasonGear

SmknVTEC · #10 (**permalink**) 06-05-2007, 08:10 PM

I got this one http://cgi.ebay.com/HANNA-HI-98129-W...QQcmdZViewItem
It is very good and I bought mine for $160 so at $129 that's a great deal.

Again, nutes in soil are not needed until about week 3-4 from seed. In hydro, small amounts of nutes can be added right away to give about 300 ppm for example.

mike827 · #11 (**permalink**) 06-05-2007, 08:54 PM

Thanks for the advice guys, plan on buying a meter tonight on eBay.

I have flushed all the nutrients and Esteban is thriving, but Santana is totally fucked. She sprouted yesterday with completely deformed leaves obviously burned to shit by the over nutrients. I'm 99% sure shes a goner.

More updates with pics soon. This Saturday will be week 2 in the buckets.

GOT TO GET MY TDS METER!!!

mike827 · #12 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 12:06 AM

UPDATES!

ESTEBAN IS HEALTHY(er)!

Still waiting on my TDS meter however

Right now both plants have NO nutrients, but on this next change we are going to put 1/4 strength nutrients for Esteban, and none for Santana, because she is still fucked up.

STILL waiting to get a good camera in there to show you all the room and good close ups of the plants.

till next time

mike827 · #13 (**permalink**) 06-13-2007, 04:25 AM

Well, Esteban has been really improving, and we just put him straight to 1/2 strength nutrients today. Santana is still very small and has no nutrients. She has to get a bit bigger first. More pics to come of the explosive vegetative growth!

Is half strength ok to use on a 5 or 6 leafset plant?
its very dense about 4" tall and 6" wide.

SmknVTEC · #14 (**permalink**) 06-15-2007, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike827

Is half strength ok to use on a 5 or 6 leafset plant?
its very dense about 4" tall and 6" wide.

Yes, half strength is always good to start them off at.

mike827 · #15 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 02:33 PM

Wow, it's been a long time since an update.

Well, I just received the TDS meter, and its pretty nice.

YoungDro has been doing a lot of the work, so a lot of credit goes to him.

He put the plants in flower yesterday!

Pics coming soon.

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#1 (permalink) 05-22-2007, 04:33 AM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	fluoro grow! youngdro and i started our big bud fluoro grow. using: (grow room thread) 2 - 4' t8 34w fluoro tubes 5 - 90w equivalent (forgot actual wattage) CFL's 2 - 18" 1200 lumen (forgot wattage) fluoro tubes 1 - 10" fan for stem agitation and air circulation 2 - 5 gal bubble buckets with double outlet 150 gal air pumps (using 2 1" air stones), 5" net pots and 2" rockwool cubes. in a 5ft w x 3ft d x 8ft t closet using cup germination method. as soon as tap root appears will transplant into bubble bucket system. any suggestions? pics to follow as soon as i borrow my friends camera. updates to follow as soon as i have something to write about!

#2 (permalink) 05-22-2007, 07:37 AM
SmknVTEC Moderator Extraordinaire Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 8,076	Sounds like it should be pretty nice. __________________ "I build cars for young men that only old men can afford"- Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988) LED Thread PGAMG Thread MG vs. Generic Soil Current and Legit Seedbanks GC Forum Rules

#3 (permalink) 05-30-2007, 02:42 AM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	Plant Number 1 (herein referred to as Esteban (esto for short)) shot a small piece of a stem out of the ground! Plant Number 2 (named Santana) was only cracked open (no tap root when i put her in the rockwool and bubble bucket) and still nothing yet. But of course i didn't post to give you such a lousy update. I had a question. My nutrients liquid earth (i bought "grow", "bloom", and "vigor") have the following instructions: (it also says [not shown] that one unit is equal to 1 teaspoon of nutrient per gallon of water) So i followed them and put 4 teaspoons of grow and 4 teaspoons of vigor into my 5 gal bucket filled with 4.2 gallons of water. changed ph to ~5.8. however, i read somewhere that you should start seeds on pure water, although i germinated in a cup full of water to get them to crack and show a taproot. what do you think i should do/comments/suggestions? thanks Last edited by mike827; 06-02-2007 at 11:17 PM.

#4 (permalink) 05-30-2007, 07:00 AM
SmknVTEC Moderator Extraordinaire Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 8,076	Yeah, that's a lot of nutes for seedlings. However, hydro is a little different than soil. Tell me, what is the PPM of your nutrient solution? __________________ "I build cars for young men that only old men can afford"- Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988) LED Thread PGAMG Thread MG vs. Generic Soil Current and Legit Seedbanks GC Forum Rules

#5 (permalink) 06-02-2007, 11:16 PM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	@smknVTEC - no i don't know my ppm currently which i know is bad BUT the good news! Esteban appears healthy! heres two pics! But sadly, Santana still has not sprouted, although I checked and she has a nice taproot, so she should sprout by tomorrow Any suggestions about when i should change the water? i filled the buckets and nutes exactly last saturday. __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread

#6 (permalink) 06-04-2007, 04:57 AM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	Well, looks like the recommended nutrient levels listed on my nutes was way off. My leaves started turning yellow! They've been on that largely concentrated solution for 8 days, and today i saw yellowing, so my partner in crime young dro diluted the buckets by removing 3 gallons (out of 4.2 gal) and replacing with tap, so its basically pH balanced tap and a small amount of nutes, if not entirely tap. More pics tomorrow when i get the camera back. Any ideas what i should do about nutes? btw pH is about 6.0 __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread

#7 (permalink) 06-04-2007, 06:41 AM
SmknVTEC Moderator Extraordinaire Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 8,076	You man, You need a ppm meter. Your nutrient solution was obviously too high. You need to change the resevoir every week to 10 days tops. That is, drain it completely and refill it with fresh, pH ballanced water. Speaking of pH your pH at 6.0 is a bit high. It should be as close to 5.5 as possible. Go real easy on the nutes if at all until you get a ppm meter. __________________ "I build cars for young men that only old men can afford"- Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988) LED Thread PGAMG Thread MG vs. Generic Soil Current and Legit Seedbanks GC Forum Rules

#8 (permalink) 06-04-2007, 04:42 PM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	thanks for the quick response. ive been in the market for a TDS meter, and im gonna do some more research about reccomended ppm levels in hydro. however, at what point in the grow are nutrients typically required? also, the cheapest meter i have seen so far was $70, any suggestions? thanks __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread

#9 (permalink) 06-05-2007, 01:14 AM
s0t7e2m3 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 74	Hey bro, check out this place. I found 'em a while back and the product is good and it ships quick. I think i picked up the tds, and the ph and temp meter for around 80 or 90 bucks shipped. http://stores.ebay.com/eSeasonGear

#10 (permalink) 06-05-2007, 08:10 PM
SmknVTEC Moderator Extraordinaire Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 8,076	I got this one http://cgi.ebay.com/HANNA-HI-98129-W...QQcmdZViewItem It is very good and I bought mine for $160 so at $129 that's a great deal. Again, nutes in soil are not needed until about week 3-4 from seed. In hydro, small amounts of nutes can be added right away to give about 300 ppm for example. __________________ "I build cars for young men that only old men can afford"- Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988) LED Thread PGAMG Thread MG vs. Generic Soil Current and Legit Seedbanks GC Forum Rules Last edited by SmknVTEC; 06-05-2007 at 08:12 PM.

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#11 (permalink) 06-05-2007, 08:54 PM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	Thanks for the advice guys, plan on buying a meter tonight on eBay. I have flushed all the nutrients and Esteban is thriving, but Santana is totally fucked. She sprouted yesterday with completely deformed leaves obviously burned to shit by the over nutrients. I'm 99% sure shes a goner. More updates with pics soon. This Saturday will be week 2 in the buckets. GOT TO GET MY TDS METER!!! __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread

#12 (permalink) 06-12-2007, 12:06 AM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	UPDATES! ESTEBAN IS HEALTHY(er)! Still waiting on my TDS meter however Right now both plants have NO nutrients, but on this next change we are going to put 1/4 strength nutrients for Esteban, and none for Santana, because she is still fucked up. STILL waiting to get a good camera in there to show you all the room and good close ups of the plants. till next time __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread

#13 (permalink) 06-13-2007, 04:25 AM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	Well, Esteban has been really improving, and we just put him straight to 1/2 strength nutrients today. Santana is still very small and has no nutrients. She has to get a bit bigger first. More pics to come of the explosive vegetative growth! Is half strength ok to use on a 5 or 6 leafset plant? its very dense about 4" tall and 6" wide. __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread

#15 (permalink) 06-27-2007, 02:33 PM
mike827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 521	Wow, it's been a long time since an update. Well, I just received the TDS meter, and its pretty nice. YoungDro has been doing a lot of the work, so a lot of credit goes to him. He put the plants in flower yesterday! Pics coming soon. __________________ Note: I am writing a paper about cannabis culture, therefore all posts should be considered fictitious and their sole purpose to stimulate board activity for research. All pictures were aggregated from the internet, and are not original images produced by myself or anyone I know. My Fictitious PC Grow Box My Fictitious Fluorescent Hydroponic Grow Thread