Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow - Page 3

Mr.GoodStuff · #31 (**permalink**) 05-02-2007, 03:19 AM

I rotated them a few times but after the Blueberry plant became so big it started to shade the others no matter what I did. I was making it into a bush, but it ended up not being as cool as I thought it would be...

The way they can just recover from being snapped is just insane. You would think it would at least droop a little or something- but the side branches move up towards the light in a couple hours like nothing ever happened! I've been studying it- it's a natural process that happens in the wild and it's really interesting to see them use what would be a weakness as their strength.

It has a flimsy stem because it is designed to blow over in the wind in order to even out the canopy and allow for the most light coverage on a wild thicket of marijuana. It's how the plant achieves it's maximum yeild outdoors- by being blown over and growing more tops. It's like the Giant Sequioias of California- they have to be burned in order to reach their maximum potential. They use weakness as strength. Absolutely incredible

JohnDoeGrow · #32 (**permalink**) 05-04-2007, 04:29 AM

Dr Hornby from advanced nutrients?? :P

DrHornby · #33 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 04:51 AM

Ding Ding Ding....What do we have for him Johnie??? A BRAND NEW CAR!!!! No, but really it doesn't get much better than to nickname yourself after a scientist that spent his time studying resin producing plants.

The girls (confirmed) have been under 12/12 now for a couple of days and its starting to get really exciting. We got the ducting installed and clones have been drawn bout a week ago. We will update with some pics this weekend. hopefully soon we can give you some budshots

DrHornby

brokencage · #34 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 06:19 AM

Nice thread.I just bought that same set up for my next grow and its nice to see it in action.

Mr.GoodStuff · #35 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 10:29 PM

A GreenTree's multiflow? Or just the same idea?

It's a great setup from what I've seen so far. It has it's problems (a lot of work, and I've had a pump fail from getting air inside it) but with the proper equipment I think you could get one of these babies on an easy maintenence program.

If I had the money or the knowlege before hand I would have got a bunch of stuff that would make it easier but that's the path of the n00b I guess...

One thing about the system is with less buckets the system holds with water in the buckets for 10-15 minutes, so for all that time the roots are submerged with no oxygen. The buckets also hold about an inch of water at the bottom at all times too- which means the bigger the plants get the more roots are always submerged. People put the buckets up on plywood to drain them more but it's not completely.

The system works very well dispite this though- the plants appear very healthy regardless. I think the amount of oxygen the roots get after the water drains out makes up for it- but some air stones here and there couldn't hurt things... Plus it could add some security if a pump failed if set up right.

I might be customizing one of these systems with airstones to increase the amount of oxygen that is available to the roots at all times. You could also rig up the stones to the controller so they ran when the pumps run (and would stay on if a pump failed) You would need another set of stones ran off a timer too so that air would be going when the controller held for 10-15 minutes or for the times in-between floods. With so much air you might be able to flood the system even more often, making the solution fresher plus more air... Could be a good idea...

The system works fine without airstones though so maybe I'm just being a perfectionist... What do you guess think?

Also I must add that a set of Sunlift light hangers I bought gave me hell this morning trying to raise the light a bit. In the end I had to give up on it and go to work but it was very frustrating. I'm not sure what the problem is with it but maybe I'll be able to fix it later tonight... If not I have to rig up some chains and S-clips, which wouldn't be that big of a deal if the tent wasn't filled to the brim with plants or I could get to the other side of the tent- but oh well I guess we have our work cut out for us because we might be dealing with leaning buds and have very little room to work around the plants- wish us luck!

PurpleStuffed · #36 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 11:14 PM

System going coo, great grow can't wait for the harvest pics...

brokencage · #37 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 04:22 AM

Yep A GreenTree's multiflow. I have already bought a good dual air pump in anticipation of of the long flood cycle.but looking at your grow reassured me that it wont be much of a problem.As for the roots hanging down into the left over nutrients ill probably use a nylon stocking to catch and keep the roots suspended from the bottom.it should work.Btw you will love the light hangers.they make life so much easyer.best of luck!

it came in the mail today!!!

Mr.GoodStuff · #38 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 07:29 PM

The light hangers are cool but they gave me hell the other day

LOL

We thought of using a screen of some sort but a lot of issues might happen with that, the screen could clog, the roots could push through it, I have no idea if it would work they way you would want. Nylon stocking mesh is very fine and water might not easily pass through it, but I'm willing to try different things. Always having roots in nutrient solution hasn't been bad for my plants- they are growing like mad. Maybe just an airstone going in each of the buckets would help, but I'm not sure how much. My plants grew so fast I couldn't imagine it any faster, but I know it could be improved. A screen plus airstones would be so awesome!

Let me know how it turns out though, it would be really cool if the screen worked the way you want!

Mr.GoodStuff · #39 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brokencage

it came in the mail today!!!

Balla man, can't wait to see what you grow with it! Congratulations!

The Sunlifts turned out to be a nightmare to fix because I decided to fix it myself

That hood is heavy as fuck and I had to take the lifts off the rail and it wasn't a good idea at all. I almost ran out of strength trying to put the rail back up because the hood was bending the rail so much. For some reason the lifts just magically worked after taking them off and messing with them...

Getting a carbon filter today and re-routing the ducting through the attic to the garage as soon as I get the time for that.

The plants are going through their stretch phase but we gave them some B-52 (B- vitamins) which are supposed to keep the plants from stretching as much. They are about up to our chest now which is roughly 10 inches taller than when we put them in the tent about a week and a half ago. They are starting to flower but aren't really concentrating on the flowers as much as the getting taller right now. Can't wait to see these babies frost up!

brokencage · #40 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 06:55 PM

I cant wait either!!! I am still waiting on the 6 pot extension,hydroton,and my last pack of seeds from the doc.I will be growing 4 strains PPP,superskunk,hashberry,and satori.they all have verry close flower times so it shoulednt be much of a problem.
show us some pics bro!!!!I want to watch yours grow so I can better picture mine when I day dream.

I sure wish I could afford that cabinet of advanced nutes you got there!!best of luck man,its sure looking good.

Mr.GoodStuff · #41 (**permalink**) 05-10-2007, 09:14 PM

I've been meaning to post new pictures, but I use a seperate computer for posting the pictures for added safety. Sure this could be anyone but pictures AND text coming from the same place just might not cut in court. LOL

I just thought of using my brother's computer to do it from because he isn't growing- hopefully that will work out and I can post pictures a lot more often.

They are going absolutely nuts right now with the fresh nutrients, 1,000 watts of HPS, and the 6in fan going 24/7. The light is about 18-20" away from the tallest, a little closer on the 400 because the one hood holds the bulb lower than the CoolSun hood that has the 600.

Ph was at 6.4 and I adjusted it back down and added 4 gallons of fresh water, and watered the clones (such a pain in the ass

wish I had a cutting flood table...)

5 of the original clones we took rooted- it's been really interesting seeing them bounce back from almost dying. Considering this one that appears to be alive- I should have waited a couple days and maybe more would have pulled through; but I pulled them out and took a bunch more clones to make sure we had this one Mazar's genetics.

Right now I'm trying to get some money together for a carbon filter and another digital timer which we really need... After that we are getting more HydroHuts for a nursery and veg room, but who knows how that is going to happen

brokencage · #42 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 03:35 AM

hey bro,I was wondering how often do you dump your reservoir?also Iv bought some of these http://www.plantitearth.com/store/pr...d=336&catid=62 i plan to mix them 50/50 with the hydroton.I figure i will beable to get away with one flood a day.maybe twice a day after heavy vege starts.

Mr.GoodStuff · #43 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 09:50 PM

When we first started out- every week, then in late veg (after 8 weeks) we let it go two weeks but topped off with half-strength nutrient.

Ideally you would want to put as much as the plants would drink in 7 days; some even recommend 4 days for maximum growth. Say the plants drink a gallon a day- you mix up 10-12 gallons of water (because the pump needs to be submerged in the res and you need at least 10 gallons in there for the pump to not run dry) and then just add a gallon of fresh water a day, up until you add as many gallons as you originally mixed as nutrient solution.

We might let the plants go on this res for a few extra days so they are definitely in their second week of flower when we hit them with the Big Bud and some Colossal Bud Blast.

They have enough to go about 10 days (35 gallons of nutrient solution)

I've been advised to flood 5X a day, every 4 hours with the lights on and every 6 hours with the lights off. This is to get as much oxygen and fresh nutrient to the roots as possible. The fresher the nutrient and the more oxygen the better the uptake.

You might want to skip the grodan and just use hydroton, the more flood cycles and the more the nutrient is refreshed the better.

Mr.GoodStuff · #44 (**permalink**) 05-12-2007, 04:46 AM

It's flowering time

Preflowers

Today:

Late veg

After about a week

Clones today

I think this one might actually pull through... I've been watching it and it appears to be getting better somehow

After a week

I'm sorry so many pictures all at once... I'll post hem more often now

brokencage · #45 (**permalink**) 05-12-2007, 06:26 AM

thanks for the info.

your grow is looking good!

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#31 (permalink) 05-02-2007, 03:19 AM
Mr.GoodStuff Would Love To Get High Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place- but the food is great, the view is great, and the bed is really soft! Posts: 2,689	I rotated them a few times but after the Blueberry plant became so big it started to shade the others no matter what I did. I was making it into a bush, but it ended up not being as cool as I thought it would be... The way they can just recover from being snapped is just insane. You would think it would at least droop a little or something- but the side branches move up towards the light in a couple hours like nothing ever happened! I've been studying it- it's a natural process that happens in the wild and it's really interesting to see them use what would be a weakness as their strength. It has a flimsy stem because it is designed to blow over in the wind in order to even out the canopy and allow for the most light coverage on a wild thicket of marijuana. It's how the plant achieves it's maximum yeild outdoors- by being blown over and growing more tops. It's like the Giant Sequioias of California- they have to be burned in order to reach their maximum potential. They use weakness as strength. Absolutely incredible __________________ No distractions- and there is only the truth to see. *Here We Grow Again* Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#32 (permalink) 05-04-2007, 04:29 AM
JohnDoeGrow Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28	Dr Hornby from advanced nutrients?? :P

#33 (permalink) 05-06-2007, 04:51 AM
DrHornby Dr. Paul Hornby PHD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cloud Nine Posts: 67	Ding Ding Ding....What do we have for him Johnie??? A BRAND NEW CAR!!!! No, but really it doesn't get much better than to nickname yourself after a scientist that spent his time studying resin producing plants. The girls (confirmed) have been under 12/12 now for a couple of days and its starting to get really exciting. We got the ducting installed and clones have been drawn bout a week ago. We will update with some pics this weekend. hopefully soon we can give you some budshots DrHornby __________________ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat... Genesis 1:29 (King James Version)

#34 (permalink) 05-06-2007, 06:19 AM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	Nice thread.I just bought that same set up for my next grow and its nice to see it in action.

#35 (permalink) 05-07-2007, 10:29 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Would Love To Get High Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place- but the food is great, the view is great, and the bed is really soft! Posts: 2,689	A GreenTree's multiflow? Or just the same idea? It's a great setup from what I've seen so far. It has it's problems (a lot of work, and I've had a pump fail from getting air inside it) but with the proper equipment I think you could get one of these babies on an easy maintenence program. If I had the money or the knowlege before hand I would have got a bunch of stuff that would make it easier but that's the path of the n00b I guess... One thing about the system is with less buckets the system holds with water in the buckets for 10-15 minutes, so for all that time the roots are submerged with no oxygen. The buckets also hold about an inch of water at the bottom at all times too- which means the bigger the plants get the more roots are always submerged. People put the buckets up on plywood to drain them more but it's not completely. The system works very well dispite this though- the plants appear very healthy regardless. I think the amount of oxygen the roots get after the water drains out makes up for it- but some air stones here and there couldn't hurt things... Plus it could add some security if a pump failed if set up right. I might be customizing one of these systems with airstones to increase the amount of oxygen that is available to the roots at all times. You could also rig up the stones to the controller so they ran when the pumps run (and would stay on if a pump failed) You would need another set of stones ran off a timer too so that air would be going when the controller held for 10-15 minutes or for the times in-between floods. With so much air you might be able to flood the system even more often, making the solution fresher plus more air... Could be a good idea... The system works fine without airstones though so maybe I'm just being a perfectionist... What do you guess think? Also I must add that a set of Sunlift light hangers I bought gave me hell this morning trying to raise the light a bit. In the end I had to give up on it and go to work but it was very frustrating. I'm not sure what the problem is with it but maybe I'll be able to fix it later tonight... If not I have to rig up some chains and S-clips, which wouldn't be that big of a deal if the tent wasn't filled to the brim with plants or I could get to the other side of the tent- but oh well I guess we have our work cut out for us because we might be dealing with leaning buds and have very little room to work around the plants- wish us luck! __________________ No distractions- and there is only the truth to see. *Here We Grow Again* Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#36 (permalink) 05-07-2007, 11:14 PM
PurpleStuffed Thoughtless Thoughts..... Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 83	System going coo, great grow can't wait for the harvest pics...

#37 (permalink) 05-08-2007, 04:22 AM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	Yep A GreenTree's multiflow. I have already bought a good dual air pump in anticipation of of the long flood cycle.but looking at your grow reassured me that it wont be much of a problem.As for the roots hanging down into the left over nutrients ill probably use a nylon stocking to catch and keep the roots suspended from the bottom.it should work.Btw you will love the light hangers.they make life so much easyer.best of luck! it came in the mail today!!! Last edited by brokencage; 05-08-2007 at 07:30 PM.

#38 (permalink) 05-08-2007, 07:29 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Would Love To Get High Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place- but the food is great, the view is great, and the bed is really soft! Posts: 2,689	The light hangers are cool but they gave me hell the other day LOL We thought of using a screen of some sort but a lot of issues might happen with that, the screen could clog, the roots could push through it, I have no idea if it would work they way you would want. Nylon stocking mesh is very fine and water might not easily pass through it, but I'm willing to try different things. Always having roots in nutrient solution hasn't been bad for my plants- they are growing like mad. Maybe just an airstone going in each of the buckets would help, but I'm not sure how much. My plants grew so fast I couldn't imagine it any faster, but I know it could be improved. A screen plus airstones would be so awesome! Let me know how it turns out though, it would be really cool if the screen worked the way you want! __________________ No distractions- and there is only the truth to see. *Here We Grow Again* Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#40 (permalink) 05-09-2007, 06:55 PM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	I cant wait either!!! I am still waiting on the 6 pot extension,hydroton,and my last pack of seeds from the doc.I will be growing 4 strains PPP,superskunk,hashberry,and satori.they all have verry close flower times so it shoulednt be much of a problem. show us some pics bro!!!!I want to watch yours grow so I can better picture mine when I day dream. I sure wish I could afford that cabinet of advanced nutes you got there!!best of luck man,its sure looking good.

#41 (permalink) 05-10-2007, 09:14 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Would Love To Get High Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place- but the food is great, the view is great, and the bed is really soft! Posts: 2,689	I've been meaning to post new pictures, but I use a seperate computer for posting the pictures for added safety. Sure this could be anyone but pictures AND text coming from the same place just might not cut in court. LOL I just thought of using my brother's computer to do it from because he isn't growing- hopefully that will work out and I can post pictures a lot more often. They are going absolutely nuts right now with the fresh nutrients, 1,000 watts of HPS, and the 6in fan going 24/7. The light is about 18-20" away from the tallest, a little closer on the 400 because the one hood holds the bulb lower than the CoolSun hood that has the 600. Ph was at 6.4 and I adjusted it back down and added 4 gallons of fresh water, and watered the clones (such a pain in the ass wish I had a cutting flood table...) 5 of the original clones we took rooted- it's been really interesting seeing them bounce back from almost dying. Considering this one that appears to be alive- I should have waited a couple days and maybe more would have pulled through; but I pulled them out and took a bunch more clones to make sure we had this one Mazar's genetics. Right now I'm trying to get some money together for a carbon filter and another digital timer which we really need... After that we are getting more HydroHuts for a nursery and veg room, but who knows how that is going to happen __________________ No distractions- and there is only the truth to see. *Here We Grow Again* Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

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#42 (permalink) 05-11-2007, 03:35 AM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	hey bro,I was wondering how often do you dump your reservoir?also Iv bought some of these http://www.plantitearth.com/store/pr...d=336&catid=62 i plan to mix them 50/50 with the hydroton.I figure i will beable to get away with one flood a day.maybe twice a day after heavy vege starts.

#43 (permalink) 05-11-2007, 09:50 PM
Mr.GoodStuff Would Love To Get High Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place- but the food is great, the view is great, and the bed is really soft! Posts: 2,689	When we first started out- every week, then in late veg (after 8 weeks) we let it go two weeks but topped off with half-strength nutrient. Ideally you would want to put as much as the plants would drink in 7 days; some even recommend 4 days for maximum growth. Say the plants drink a gallon a day- you mix up 10-12 gallons of water (because the pump needs to be submerged in the res and you need at least 10 gallons in there for the pump to not run dry) and then just add a gallon of fresh water a day, up until you add as many gallons as you originally mixed as nutrient solution. We might let the plants go on this res for a few extra days so they are definitely in their second week of flower when we hit them with the Big Bud and some Colossal Bud Blast. They have enough to go about 10 days (35 gallons of nutrient solution) I've been advised to flood 5X a day, every 4 hours with the lights on and every 6 hours with the lights off. This is to get as much oxygen and fresh nutrient to the roots as possible. The fresher the nutrient and the more oxygen the better the uptake. You might want to skip the grodan and just use hydroton, the more flood cycles and the more the nutrient is refreshed the better. __________________ No distractions- and there is only the truth to see. *Here We Grow Again* Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System Last edited by Mr.GoodStuff; 05-11-2007 at 10:30 PM.

#44 (permalink) 05-12-2007, 04:46 AM
Mr.GoodStuff Would Love To Get High Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place- but the food is great, the view is great, and the bed is really soft! Posts: 2,689	Picture Update It's flowering time Preflowers Today: Late veg After about a week Clones today I think this one might actually pull through... I've been watching it and it appears to be getting better somehow After a week I'm sorry so many pictures all at once... I'll post hem more often now __________________ No distractions- and there is only the truth to see. *Here We Grow Again* Mazar & Blueberry Hydro Grow My Brother's River System

#45 (permalink) 05-12-2007, 06:26 AM
brokencage Red Neck Weed wrangler. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 546	thanks for the info. your grow is looking good!