Bagseed Closet Grow - NEWBY - Can't find a dealer

[sikabuyin]

Thanks for all the info guys. It's clear that I have a black thumb but I'm not going to quit.

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

sikabuyin,

Don't go by what the FF fert schedule says. They were not counting on you growing weed with their product and consequently their chart will not work for weed. Don't give them any ferts for 3.5 weeks of normal growth which for most people coincides with 3-5 nodes in height. The only plant that looks ok is the first one with pH 7.3. All others have a pH that is too high and consequently they look bad. I guess the pH won't come down any more? Oh and your soil still sucks. That clumpy clay like crap will slow down root growth.

I wish I knew how bad the soil sucked two weeks ago when I changed from MG. I'll get better soil for the two seedlings but I'm not wasting any more time on the 5 bagseeds cause I want to flower in 4 weeks and another transplant will put me another 2 weeks behind. (or will it? that's how long it took them to get healthy after the last time I transplanted them) I've been loosening the soil with an ice pick to let air get down and hopefully let the roots grow a bit. I'll stop using the FF schedule and wait till I get 3-5 nodes before I add anything but water.

Originally Posted by Westwood

Worst soil i have ever seen, looks like an ashtray
start again bro, waste of time IMHO

What, you're not supposed to but your butts in your soil? I thought that would help.

Originally Posted by Flow_DOC_Duece

No fert man. where are you getting your water from?

Half tap water(aired out for 48 hrs) half distilled water. And a shit load of ph down.

Originally Posted by BrazyJay

u need to transplant into a better soil and add perlite in it... ph is easier to correct if the soil has some dolomite lime in it (powdered, 2 teaspoons per gallon)

Dolomite eh'? Would I mix that into the soil or just sprinkle it on top and add water? Thanks for the advise. I'll add perlite to the 2 seedlings when i put them in larger pots.

Originally Posted by Potmaniac

Yes. They have clear nitric burn. For me they also look overwatered.
This soil is full of shit.
I would go for soil less medium and just rinse them out of this dirt.
There is not much root there anyway. They do not breathe.
What ever you will attempt will fail unless you repot them to something better than that.
I bet that if you take it out of pot root is 2 inch deep, and lower soil is so compact, that it holds too much moisture, relising to much nutes and not leting it go anywhere.

When I poop scoop my back yard I just mash it up and throw it on top. I thought since my dog food is so expensive I'd try and recycle it and get more bang for my buck.

Originally Posted by Potmaniac

I have destroyed plants this way. Like mirror.
They can grow back but they can't be reciving ANY nutes.
And root growth can be brought back by allowing soil to dry and air to acces.
Problem is that even then not all of them will get back.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. Every mistake I've made will just make me better in the long run.

I'm leaving town for 6 days soon and havn't yet figured out how I will water. maybe I'll set up a wick system for the little ones and not water the older ones at all. that should air out the soil

Oh, I've also been adding a little h2o2 to the water to make sure the roots get o2.

[SmknVTEC]

Naw,
The plant should recover from a transplant within 24-72 hours. Two weeks was because of the nute burn and transplant to only mediocre soil.

[sikabuyin]

Before I left town I transplanted all of the plants into new soil. While I was transplanting I noticed that the two sick plants had no new root growth so I trashed them. So, before I left I had 2 Widow Skunk plants and 3 bagseed plants. It looks like one of the seedlings didn't take to the new soil but I'll give her a little while before I pull the plug on her. I just watered and checked the PH of all of them. This new soil is much better and makes the ph easier to manipulate. Here are the pics.

Widow Skunk 1: 13days PH = 6.00


Widow Skunk 2: 13days PH = 6.11


Plant B: 45days PH = 6.30


Plant D: 45days PH = 5.6


Plant E: 45days PH = 5.7


Group Shot

[sikabuyin]

Its only been 2 days since I watered but the soil wasn't moist 2 knuckles deep so I watered today. I added Fox Farms Grow Big to the 3 older plants. I used 6.8ph water/nutes for Plant-B and 7.2ph for the other two. The PH of each after watering was B-6.5, D-5.9 and E-6.0. As for the Widow Skunk plants or soon to be plant I used 7.00ph pure water and got the soil up to 6.3 for both. WS-1 still has bleek signs of life so I'm not going to quit on her. I've moved her further away from the light though.

One question... When mixing nutes it says 2 tsp per gallon. Is that gallon of soil of gallon of water If it is per gallon of soil I'm only feeding 5% the suggested amount (40 oz water per plant 128oz per gallon and 3.4 gallons of soil at half suggested strength)<- I'm sure that makes no sense but seriously soil or water??


Plant B - 47days


Plant D - 47days


Plant E - 47days


Widow Skunk 1 - 15days

I know, she doesn't look good but wtf there's no cost for trying...

Widow Skunk 2 - 15days

[designatedtoker]

hey man i just found this but your plants are lookin great! i kinda just skipped to the end cuz im pretty stoned and just wanna go smoke a cig. im definitely pulling up a chair on this, good luck on your first grow! im sure you'll be well rewarded as far as i can see. i'll read more when i come back. again, good luck!

[SmknVTEC]

Its per gallon of water not soil.
But I would not give them that much to start. Too late now but the first couple of feedings should be more like 1 TSP or even 1/2 TSP per gallon of water. Start her off easy. They look a tad young to be fed high dose nutes. Just go easy. They look better now, the healthy ones of course.

P.S. Try not to let the pH get below 6.0

[sikabuyin]

[Flow_DOC_Duece]

Plants are looking good!

[sikabuyin]

I added a humidifier and just misted with carbonated water. I'll add some epsom salt for the next watering tomorrow or the day after. Things are looking good. The small one is 20days and the 3 larger ones are 52 days. I will change lightcycles in 8 days. Should I do a 36 hour dark period or will this stress the plants???

[westLAtoker]

does your humidifier work well!?!? i mean..can you control the humidity w/ that device? i'm curious because i was thinking of doing the same thing. let me know!

[SmknVTEC]

I think if you do a 36 hour light period before going 12/12 they could stretch. Your plants are so short and stocky, that might not be a bad thing. The 36 hours of darkness is best right before harvesting. I would just shorten the photoperiod by 1-2 hours per night and or just go to 12/12.

[Flow_DOC_Duece]

just stick wit 12/12

[sikabuyin]

Originally Posted by westLAtoker

does your humidifier work well!?!? i mean..can you control the humidity w/ that device? i'm curious because i was thinking of doing the same thing. let me know!

It does help. It keeps the humidity about 10% higher than it was and it also coolsit down in there a few degrees.

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

I think if you do a 36 hour light period before going 12/12 they could stretch. Your plants are so short and stocky, that might not be a bad thing. The 36 hours of darkness is best right before harvesting. I would just shorten the photoperiod by 1-2 hours per night and or just go to 12/12.

Right on. I'll just switch it to 12/12 when the time comes. How long after the switch should I add blooming nutes? In the fox farm feeding schedule it calls for Grow Big once after a few weeks of flowering. Should I do this or just stick with blooming stuff only.

Originally Posted by Flow_DOC_Duece

just stick wit 12/12

Thanks, that's what I'll do.

[sikabuyin]

Ok so I watered a few hours ago and found that i have a serious PH problem. I added epsom salt to all four plants and Grow Big to 2 of them. After the last watering the PH was 6.5, 6.3, 6.0 and 5.7. I only added nutes to the two with PH's above 6.3 with 6.8 water/nute/epsom salt solution. The two with lower PH's i added only epsom salt/water with a ph of 8.0.

All 4 plants had a ph under 6.0 ranging from 5.3-5.8

This is a problem and I don't know how the ph got so low. On my next watering I'll use 8.5-9.0ph water only. I'm hoping that will fix at least a few of them. Here are a few pics. I've been misting twice a day with carbonated water and my humidifier is working well.

Temps are steady at 82 F but they did get up to 98F today because I forgot to turn the exhaust fan on this morning.

53 days for the bigger ones and 21days for the small one.




Plant B


Plant D


Plant E


Widow Skunk

[sikabuyin]

Why are they so short? I've got a fan on them turned on it's highest setting. This is to control the temp. They stems are getting fat and there are several nodes on the three larger plants. the leaves are all so close together I don't see how buds will be able to grow in such a tight place. I raised my lamp a few inches hoping they will stretch a bit. The bulb is 10 inches from the top of the tallest plant. I used the 4 inches per 100watts formula. The leaves aren't burning at all.