Second CFL + LED Bagseed Grow

[KamelRedLight]

Day 27 of flowering
Thanks Dwg glad you like her.
Four weeks now, did a little trimming to see if it will help any. Just big leaves that were blocking light, and so I could move the lights into the plant more. Second pic is my nicest looking top right now.

[KamelRedLight]

Day 31 of flowering
Startin to smell in here. It's a weird musky sorta smell, not sweet like Big Mama, my last plant. Buds are starting to plump up, and a couple hairs turned brown. I lowered my LED bar, even though they recommend you keep it a foot away, I think it'll only help because marijuana is probably more of a light loving plant than the Argentine grass they test it on. I was looking into more LED's today, because it's just the stealthiest way to go, since the light emitted is so dim to humans, yet so bright to plants. The bar I have is from LEDtronics, $160, 5.3w, and is supposed to equal a 100w HID light. LEDgrowlights.com on the other hand has a more expensive system, but when you look at the comparison they do of theirs vs mine, it seems worth the extra dough. So I'm thinking of getting one of their new double bright red lights and a blue light here for $200 bucks total, and using the lamps I already have. Yeah it sounds crazy, 200 bucks for 2 lights, but I really can't use HID, and I'd be getting at least the equivalent of a 250w HPS light, using 8w. Sweet. Lemme know what you think, and here's some pictures. I took the last one with the flash cuz it brings out the frostiness.

[glazedJ]

nicee!!!!

[JollyRoger227]

lookin tasty

[KrayzieGreenz]

Nice man keep up the good work. Just a quick question? How many watts do you have in total and are you only flowering 1 plant? Didnt see any of that info posted here so thats why Im asking.


EDIT: sorry didnt see the info from your first page. But how many watts do you have now since the first grow?

[KrayzieGreenz]

Just got done reading up on your first grow. Very nice. Just a few tips let them go a little longer next time. Dont go by the hair colors go by the colors of the trichomes unless your out of smoke but otherwise I'd wait a little longer. As for your heat issue did you ever get that fixed? If not I would recommend you getting more fans or taking the CPLs out of the metal reflectors. Thats where all your heat source is coming from. CPLs usually dont put off to much heat if the bulbs are under 40 watts. If you cant put your hands on the bulb or the relector itself I would consider not using them at all. I had the same problem when I was trying to help a friend with his setup using them reflectors. I know you can wire up to 4 40 watt CPLs to 1 lamp cord(cut if off an old lamp or buy one). If you cant find a way to mount the lights on without the reflectors go buy some more 80mm cpu fans. I just bought 10 of them for 20 bucks on Tigerdircet.com. You can wire up to 4 of them onto 1 single 12v charger. Anyways hope this helps and keep up the good work. I'll be following your pogress

[KamelRedLight]

What's up Greenz? First off, my total wattage right now is 114w CFL and 5.3w LED on my (single) flowering plant, and 50w on my revegging plant. However, I just bought another socket and reflector that I'll probly put 2 lights in with a y splitter, so add another 50w. And also I found a 65w 6500k CFL spotlight at wal mart for $11 which I'll probly use to veg. My heat issue was pretty much caused by the summer temps hitting 90, and not having that fan in there. Now it's not going above 80, even with the door shut all the way (I usually leave it cracked if I'm around). The bulbs do get hot though, too hot to touch. But with the fan blowing on all three I can get em right in there. Also I did go by trichomes, but with that strain the hair rule works out, cuz when I harvested 80-90% of hairs had turned. This strain is slower though it seems, because hairs are just starting to turn color. At this time in the flowering process my last plant had probably 25% brown hairs already. I'll still use my microscope though cuz I don't like too much amber in my trichomes, or I pass out. Glad you enjoyed my grows though, I think this one's gonna be better so do stick around!

[KrayzieGreenz]

Most def, I'll be following your grow as well as everyone elses. Its great to see everyone with the same interests all under one roof helping one another out. Thats the great thing about weed man. Best song ever is "Weed Song" by Bone Thugs. Download it now if you aint got it. Wont be disappointed.

Anyways heres what im working with for my Veg and Flower box. Flower box is already built and the Veg box is being worked on as we speak. Will have pics uploaded later in my own thread hopefully if all goes well today.

Veg Box:
36in x 22in x 24
260 watts of CPL
(each light is 5000K)
4 80mm cpu fans(2 for intake and 2 for outtake)
(all 4 fans are used with 90 degree elbows for light proofing)

Flower Box: (will be much easier to understand with pics)
24in x 24 in x 36in
520 watts of CPLs
(each light is 2700K)
4 80mm cpu fans(2 on the bottom and 2 on the sides for intake)
4 80mm cpu fans(all 4 is going on the light lid for outtake)
(all fans will be used with 90 degree elbows for light proofing as well)

*note* all the lights im using are energy saving lights so my electricity bill dont too crazy and get red flagged. Though I dont think that would happen where I'm at since it does get cold in the winters but I still dont wanna take any chances with it. I may even reduce the amount of light im using for the flower box but we'll see how it works out

Anyways keep up the good work and keep us updated.

[KamelRedLight]

Day 34 of flowering
Moved around the lights a bit and added two 26w CFL's under a big reflector. Heat has risen to the mid 80's, but tolerable. The fan is now on the veg timer since I ran out of room on the flower timer. So she gets cooled off for about 5 hours while the lights are off

Looks like you've got it together Greenz. Are those wattage numbers in actual wattage or in equivalent wattage? Like a 26w CFL = 100w incandescent. Cuz that's a lotta watts for the space compared to what I'm using and I have about the same dimensions in my closet, maybe smaller. Those'll be some happy plants. I personally think intake fans are a waste of energy. I think the suction of the exhaust fans are enough, but all I have is a closet I can't cut holes in so I wouldn't really know.

[KrayzieGreenz]

Originally Posted by KamelRedLight

Looks like you've got it together Greenz. Are those wattage numbers in actual wattage or in equivalent wattage? Like a 26w CFL = 100w incandescent. Cuz that's a lotta watts for the space compared to what I'm using and I have about the same dimensions in my closet, maybe smaller. Those'll be some happy plants. I personally think intake fans are a waste of energy. I think the suction of the exhaust fans are enough, but all I have is a closet I can't cut holes in so I wouldn't really know.

Yea the lights are actual wattages. After putting the veg box together im not sure how many lights I wanna use yet. 260 watts is what i have available for the veg box and 520 for the flower box. Not sure if im gonna be using all the lights in the flower box as well. As for the fans I believe its needed just as you stated your in a closet so air flows around more easily as for I am in a cab so walls will be enclosed giving less air movement. Even if your tmep isnt bad in your closet I would recommend gettin at least 1 intake fan just so you dont create negative air throughout the closet.

You also said that I have alot more lights then you in about the same size area. How many watts are you using for vegging and flower? and what is the dimensions of your grow space for your veg and flower box? Sorry to lazy to go look and read again .

[KamelRedLight]

It's 166 watts of CFL and 5.3w of LED on my flowering plant Baby Girl, and 50w of CFL on my mother Big Mama and the two clones Alice and Annabelle. This is all in a closet of about 3-3.5 ft wide, 2 ft deep, and 7.5 ft tall, split in half by a shelf about 5 feet high. Gets the job done. I'm coming up on my second harvest and still haven't finished the 17g I got from the last one, so I'm content. Speaking of harvest...buds are starting to beef up and hairs are turning. This is where the suspense starts gettin to me.

Can anyone explain the last two pictures of discolored leaves? It's a slow-progressing mottled yellowing that is occuring on leaves in the middle and top of the plant. Is it just a nitrogen deficiency? Leaves on the bottom are yellowing, but not like these two.

[KamelRedLight]

Day 40 of flowering
She's been real thirsty lately and I've been feeding her still with Tiger Bloom. I think it's time for just water as we close up the 6th week. Enjoy the pictures.

[KamelRedLight]

Also, will someone look at the yellowing a couple posts back and help me with that? Is it healthy N yellowing or something else? Here's a couple more pics. Check out the buds in a stick.

[KamelRedLight]

Day 44 of flowering
I clipped off a couple more dying leaves. Things look good except for the yellowing problem. I can't figure it out based on any description of any deficiency. What I have here is yellowing spots in between viens in no specific pattern on leaves all over the plant, top to bottom. Only a few leaves are affected right now. The worst of them have red stems, some have dead tips, but not really crispy or dry. The leaves just starting to show this problem just have spots of very light green, not very yellow at all. I got a spray bottle and sprayed her down with a light feeding of Fox Farms Grow Big because for some reason the Tiger Bloom has the calcium crossed out with a marker (didn't notice till I got it home). I hope someone can tell me what's wrong here. It's not pH, I just tested it and it's in the 6.5 range. Ideas?

[urgr8estfear]

Hi Kamel!
Charming LED bar you got there.
I like it!!!
I want some too!

Too bad it does really help the way you've mounted it.
The angle between the light shone by the LEDs and the leaves is horrible.
As a matter of fact, it couldn't be worse.

Optimally the light is shown perpendicular on the leave.
So if the leaves are like : -------
Then the light should be : ||||||||

Got that?