Urgr8estfear 2nd FLURO ONLY soil grow - start to finish.

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by urgr8estfear

the wifey got me some 7-3-7.
I'm considering trippling the dosage so it adds up to 21-9-21.

Tripling the 7-3-7 does not lead to 21-9-21, it just equals three times as much 7-3-7. Just because you triple the amount given does not mean the NPK goes up. The 7-3-7 in each molecule (or however they measure it) always stays constant. Unless you add some phosphorus to the mix or something your value of the fert will always be 7-3-7.

[urgr8estfear]

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

Tripling the 7-3-7 does not lead to 21-9-21, it just equals three times as much 7-3-7. Just because you triple the amount given does not mean the NPK goes up. The 7-3-7 in each molecule (or however they measure it) always stays constant. Unless you add some phosphorus to the mix or something your value of the fert will always be 7-3-7.

Nope.
You're wrong.

The 7-3-7 part refers to the relative % of N P K in the solution.
It's like with alcohol!
3 glasses of 5% beer get you as much alcohol as 1 glass of 15% wine.
(if you use the same glasses)
You just have to piss more often with beer.

I will still be watering my MJ 2 liters per time per plant.
They just get 3x the amount of trace elements that's all.
Besides, according to my plans, I'm supposed to ever increase the amount of nutes they get.
Since my plants are getting bigger and bigger and thus more hungry.

[urgr8estfear]

UPDATE : DAY 108 = DAY 17 of flowering

Today I come home from a long weeks work,
open up my growbox and I smile again!
It took me a while before I snapped out of it and started making pics.

Checkout my view :

come a little bit closer :


Here are my plants 1 by 1, starting with plant 1.
This is the one had to flush a few weeks ago.
I did absolutely the right thing I know now.




Plant 2, which seems to be showing slight signs of what I assume to be nitro toxicity.
Some dark leaves, which seem to arc.
As you can see it's not really a problem yet,
but I'm holding back the nutes for a while:




Plant 3, simply growing gloriuosly.
This is the plant who's stem I broke earlier in its life.
As you can see broken stems do not kill MJ easily.
It's doing just fine:




So, overall it seems I'm gonna have to refrain from my 3x 7-3-7 plan.
This is what I got for giving it double strength 10-10-10 nutes for weeks on end.
Its a good thing its nitro toxicity and not something else.
I know my plant needs lotsa nitro during flowering.
I'm pretty sure it will self correct if I stop nuting it for a while.
Maybe I'll finish this grow with all the leaves still green,
unlike my first grow.

Do you all agree plant #2 has got slight nitro toxicity?
Please let me know what you think!

[urgr8estfear]

Allright peeps update day 111 flowering day 20.

I'm getting happier and happier.
Everything about my plants is better than my last update.
Even the nitro tox seems better now then it did three days ago.
They're still growing upwards but not that fast.
Exactly the way we fluro-growers like it.
'nuff said already, check out my plants 'n see what fluro-power can do:

plant 1:




plant 2:




plant 3:




And then my best bud shot YET :


I know its only been 20 days of flowering,
but does anybody care to estimate the to-be dry yield of these girlies?
Also, I'm pretty sure I have at least 2 phenotypes here maybe 3.
Does anybody wanna guess which is what pheno-type?
I really don't know since this is sensiseed indoor mix.
Sadly I'm not hired by GC or sensi or so but....
I do want to point out that you can buy these seeds from the GC shop!

[deafeningsilanc]

Im not sure if this has been answered caues i havnt been able to keep track of your log. But is it possible for you to get bigger pictures? I wanna see, but the server you are using for hosting these provides me with a 2 inch by 2 inch pic, that is quite depressing when i wanna see what youve got!

[urgr8estfear]

Originally Posted by deafeningsilanc

Im not sure if this has been answered caues i havnt been able to keep track of your log. But is it possible for you to get bigger pictures? I wanna see, but the server you are using for hosting these provides me with a 2 inch by 2 inch pic, that is quite depressing when i wanna see what youve got!

DUDE!
You're smoking XXXXXXXXXX-cellent MJ i bet.
It's a thumbnail picture.
Left click on the pictures.
Then on imageshack left click until 1600x1200 pixes.
This IS wallpapersized already!

[bluebong]

For one, don't triple your nutes. You're gonna get unholy nute build-up. Plants in flower really don't need that much N, they need P. In fact, you WANT your plants to go yellow on the leaves before harvest, that's how you know they're well flushed. Otherwise, you get bud that's full of chlorophyl and nitrogen and starch, rather than sugars. And then it tastes weird and burns your throat.

As far as yield, judging by what I've seen from fluoros, I'd say small. The buds just don't dense up. You'll get a little personal stash.

Also, it'd be real hard to tell phenotypes if it was mixed seeds. They might be different strains altogether.

[urgr8estfear]

Originally Posted by bluebong

For one, don't triple your nutes. You're gonna get unholy nute build-up. Plants in flower really don't need that much N, they need P. In fact, you WANT your plants to go yellow on the leaves before harvest, that's how you know they're well flushed. Otherwise, you get bud that's full of chlorophyl and nitrogen and starch, rather than sugars. And then it tastes weird and burns your throat.

As far as yield, judging by what I've seen from fluoros, I'd say small. The buds just don't dense up. You'll get a little personal stash.

Also, it'd be real hard to tell phenotypes if it was mixed seeds. They might be different strains altogether.

You depress me.
You depress others too.

Unholy nute build ups have nothing to do with either 10-10-10 or 7-3-7.

Yellow plants good? you got to be kidding me?!?!?
It only shows the nutes being sucked out of the leaves.
Your plant will use the nutes its needs to build colas,
from the soil or from the leaves it doesn't matter.

Tasted weird & burns throat?
Low pH commercial hydro grows, now thats a tough smoke!
My first grow was rather similar and smooth like a babies bottom.
Yield small?
Maybe, but it may very well keep me smoking for another 6 months/1 grow.

[bluebong]

Dude....this is reason why people don't want to help. You ask a question, get an answer, then argue with it. From what I've seen SmknVTEC knows his shit, so I'd listen to him. But, whatever, YOU know best with a whopping, what, 20 gram grow under your belt.

Just so I don't "depress" you or "others", here: "You're doing great. Best grow I've seen. Everything is perfect."

But before you tell me what plants need, read a book. George Cervantes writes good ones, I'm sure they sell them in the Netherworld, um, lands. Just flip to the chapter about flushing, and find out why plants need to turn light. Also look up why accumulating fluoro wattage doesn't amplify light intensity, therefore not increasing yield. It's called the rule of inverse square.

But I'm sure YOU already know better.

[urgr8estfear]

Originally Posted by bluebong

Dude....this is reason why people don't want to help. You ask a question, get an answer, then argue with it. From what I've seen SmknVTEC knows his shit, so I'd listen to him. But, whatever, YOU know best with a whopping, what, 20 gram grow under your belt.

Just so I don't "depress" you or "others", here: "You're doing great. Best grow I've seen. Everything is perfect."

But before you tell me what plants need, read a book. George Cervantes writes good ones, I'm sure they sell them in the Netherworld, um, lands. Just flip to the chapter about flushing, and find out why plants need to turn light. Also look up why accumulating fluoro wattage doesn't amplify light intensity, therefore not increasing yield. It's called the rule of inverse square.

But I'm sure YOU already know better.

First off I want to make clear that I do not intend to let this thread/forum degerate into a flaming/bitching place.
I like the way GC is now.

Its normal for people to ask questions about the answer you gave them.
Either they don't understand or your answer is wrong or doesn't apply somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of things you've said that are true.
But also a lot of things you say I disagree with.
And I felt the need to tell you you depress me and others by singling out all the negative aspects of my grow.
Basically you told us fluro grows suck and mine (heavily nuted) taste crappy.
That's not nice, even if you're right.(which I doubt)

You could have just told me that extra nutes MAY make my smoke harsh and you think my plants will yield 20 grams each.
But no no you had to give us that attitude.
I'm not gonna put up with that in my own proudly-created growthread.

My minor 20 gram grow gave me the opportunity to compare soil/fluro/noob grow with commercial hydro/HID/pro grows.
I've smoked way too much commercial and non-commercial pot.
So this does give me some 'authority' on the sore throat subject.
Also you make it sound like heavily nuted soil automatically leads to harsh smoking.
This is oversimplifying it I think/know.

About the 7-3-7 or 10-10-10 it's not about growing experience.
It's about physics, chemistry and math.

I think you are way oversimplify the 'more fluro power doesn't help' thing.
Ever heard of the conservation of energy law?
Those photons/energy hits the surface of the leaves allright.

Again I emphasize no flame war please, world peace and all that you know!

[bluebong]

You know what, you're right. It's your thing, do and know what you want.

But what is the "conservation of energy law"?

I didn't take much science in University, mostly Bio (Botanics and Horticulture), so I'm not familiar with that one.

PS: I'm sorry if you perceived that I dissed YOUR fluoros or bud quality. I'm sure yours are fine. I was just being general...really kinda paraphrasing every book I've read on the subject.

[odin]

Blah, the fact is that yellowing leaves in budded plants is normal and you know what... it is good! It is what the plant has done since it was created (or evolutionalized - whatever works for you). As far as growing with flourescents - the man is right. They yield little buds that never fill in. Can you smoke it? Sure! Is it the best that you could get? Never - you will always do better with better lighting. Those are the facts. If someone doesn't like it, too bad. Just because you may like growing with flouros does not make them better. Studies show that HID lighting yields bigger, better buds. I think the guy was giving a good recommendation. He was looking out for you. As I found out, you are in Holland... but if you were in the U.S. where people go to prison for this, you would probably want to use HID and get as much as possible for taking the risk. I think that alot people worry too much about a few yellow leaves, or 1 or 2 deformed leaves. It is like - oh my god a yellow leave! HA! Let me tell you, I have done this for a while, and the plant can live through amazing things. It is a weed! It grows like one. I am all for giving the best care that is possible to the plants, dont get me wrong. But then again, a few yellow leaves will have no effect on the overall product.

And again to the new guys that are reading this: HID is better than flouros. You can do it under flouros from start to finish, but you will not get the strong plants, with the big, heavy nugs.

There is my 2 cents.

[KamelRedLight]

Just thought I'd interject. After my last grow, you'd be hard pressed to tell me HID grows way better buds. Marginally, if that. You just gotta be smart. Urgr8estfear, you have the sky of your grow room covered in light. There's no way you're gonna get what they're talking about with typical fluoro grows. Your buds may not go down very far cuz they're so damn bushy, but hell you're still gonna get way more than 1 person can smoke, you've got 3 plants (right?). And I know you didn't think so but I still believe that the law of inverse squares works FOR fluoros. Anyway, let's give those skeptics their gr8est fear, another mind blowing fluoro grow!

[odin]

I am not really a skeptic. I appreciate any grow. But one the other hand, I know what works. You can yield good smokable bud from flouros, that I have said. But on the other hand, those same plants would yield more of that better bud (not too mention better quality) under HID. I am not trying to argue about it, because there is no argument - HID are better hands down. Again will flouros work? YES. Will they do the best job possible? NO.

[bluebong]

Thank you, Odin! What we should do here is have a 100w fluoro grow vs. a 100w HPS grow, and see what works better.

I mean, I've done it, but I'd like to show "the skeptics".