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06-28-2006, 06:57 AM
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InfiniteAwesome's not so infinitely awesome closet grow
Alright, so I finally got around to loading some pics of my growspace into ze gallery, but before I put them up, I shall explain my setup a little.
Genetics: Mexican Bagseed, Heavy Sativa Dominant Lighting: 150 watt HPS, modded from a security light. Crappy stock security light reflector. Space: A big wooden box in my closet: 3 ft tall, 2.5 ft wide, 1.5 ft deep. Constructed from particle board and 1x2s Reflective Surfaces: Bright White Ceiling Paint Ventilation: Area is not completely enclosed, back is open to allow for good air circulation due to high summer temps. A Desk fan is used and set on high. Odor Control: None yet, as they are still young, but I will be attaching a carbon scrubber to the back once flowering is induced. Soil: Currently just Organic Soil (0-0-0) and Pearlite mixed at 2/3 soil, 1/3 Pearlite. Pots: 21 Day old is in a 1.75 gallon and the 12 AND 13 day old are in .75 gallon round pots. Amendments: No Nutes Added yet, though I have some bat guano, blood meal, and worm casting. Blood Meal will probably not be necessary, but tis good to have around. Technique: Training, and lots of it. No FIM or topping will be done this grow as stunting will be kept to an absolute minimum. Will try various pruning techniques next grow though. Scrog will be implemented later on if necessary to keep height down. History so far: I started 21 seeds three weeks ago, 18 of which sprouted using paper towel method. Of 18, 12 survived in the soil in the dixie cups. Of 12, six survived due to too early nutrients. Of 6, 3 survived due to lack of transplanting after 2.5 weeks in dixie cups. Of 3, 1 survived due to FIM fuck ups, stunting, and additional early nutrients. After that, I depressingly started three more seeds about 13 days ago. Two of which germed a day apart from each other. Two of which survived in Dixie Cups. After two days in dixie cups, transplanted to .75 gallon pots, no shock, no stress, no nutes. That leaves me with three plants. One 21 days old, one 13 days old, one 12 days old. The 21 day old is stunted and very small for its age. The 13 and 12 day olds could be going faster, but temps have been running in the high eighties recently and growth has slowed to one new internode every two to three days rather than every day. Things I already know could be better: Soil could be better, does not hold water very well and is full of wood chips. Too late now, don't want to transplant and stunt them yet. Light could be oriented perpendicular to the wide dimension of the box to increase efficiency and reflectivity off of the walls. Ventilation could be better as the light simply has a fan on it with no hose to direct air anywhere, and the back is open so there is no reflectivity there, but it keeps the air moving. When I put a back on it it got into the high nineties. Anywho, we'll see how this goes, here are the pics of the setup and grow so far: Light Fixture with Vent Holes: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Basic Setup: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Messy Wires: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Setup in Closet: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Not Much Space: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Plants under light with Fan: This one all the plants died cept one, they were so stunted they didn't grow for two weeks before I finally got impatient and pulled them since they didn't grow past their first set of leaves: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 12 Day Old: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 13 day Old: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Severely Stunted 21 Day old: http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...0/ppuser/21211 Well there you have it. Sorry for lack of actual uploading, but I have no space on my computer for pics since it's so old and so crappy. And also, I won't be able to do updates much since I can't technically upload pics on my computer and did this while using one of my good friend's whom I don't see too often.
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06-28-2006, 10:25 PM
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Hey man, that cab reminds me of my 1st cab i built in closet. May i recommend moving that fan so it points up and not directly onto ya plants, itll cause wind burn( i only know coz i did it to mine). Other than that its an ace setup, check out some of the other cabinet grows to get ideas on how to improve ya setup and create a efficient cab.
Check out LST as well, i think youll need it with the mexican sativa strain and check out my current closet grow in the grow journal section. Were in week 8 of flower! Catch ya soon. Spud |
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06-28-2006, 11:11 PM
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Ganja Enthusiast
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Yo, studorspud, thanks for a reply.
They are going SO SLOWLY, I don't know what to do, they are only on their fifth internode and they are only about three inches wide in diameter. So small for this age . . . My temps are reaching into the low nineties now so I need some advice on how to get some cheap co2 in there without using a tank. Gonna try some yeast/sugar/water in a 2 liter bottle method since my friend knows how to do it via freshwater fish tanks n'such, but I don't know if that's gonna help cuz that means I'll have to put a back on my box which will push temps up into the low 100s I think .. . So fucking hot here right now . . . Anyways, what's wind burn? I thought it was okay to leave the plants next to the fan . . .? I can't really angle it, it's totally stationary in that it can't adjust angle . . .
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06-29-2006, 01:54 PM
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alright, well total edit on this post.
I angled the fan back a bit and the temps went down 5 degrees. very nice. I realize now I had been underwatering. combined with high temps during the day was causing heat stress. Tiny areas of yellow can be seen on my two younger plants which indicates heat stress. Hopefully this will help. I watered thoroughly this time as I have been doing an extremely gradual, daily watering of two shots of water per day. I think that was WAY too little water, so I saturated the pot with water just enough so that a couple drops fell out of the drainage holes. I'm going to see if my aquarium friend will let me test those drops to see what the ph is like. I think the yellowing at the bottom of one of the plants (its two lower true leaves have yellowed severely overnight) is due to the fact that its roots are searching for room. While it is way too young to have outgrown its pot yet, I believe it is because its a mexican sativa strain and thusly grows long roots naturally. Hopefully by watering thoroughly throughout the pot will encourage wider, rather than deeper root growth. If not, I suppose I'll have to invest in deeper, bigger pots, but they are still too young to really have exploited the pots they're in right now. Suggestions? By the by, guys, I was wondering if yellowing leaves can return to their green stage if the problems are troubleshot . . .? Thanks in advance. EDIT: Also, I will be adding a thin particle baord back to it soon and hopefully the temps won't increase, but I'll be adding two one liter coca cola bottles full of a yeast, sugar, water solution to increase co2 soon. Hopefully this will compensate the high temps and speed up growth rates.
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06-29-2006, 04:28 PM
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What soil are you using, sorry if i missed it in one of your posts but kind of cramped for time right now to read entirely.
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06-29-2006, 04:32 PM
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I'd go so far as suggesting that its a little early for stressing it with LST. Does it get very cold at night in there? What light cycle do you have? You shouldn't be topping or fimming that small either really. Yellow leaves aren't gonna turn green again, you just have to hope for new growth. Are the bottom leaves getting light?
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06-29-2006, 04:55 PM
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Herbs, I don't know if it's too early to train the plants, but they didn't really seem to mind it when I tied them back. The leaves got a lot larger and all the leaves are receiving a decent amount of light. I'd FIM, but they seem to not respond well to it in that they go into stress and stop growing all together for three to four days and then they MAY develop two new shoots, if I did it right. I might top it in one or two more nodes though. they just don't seem to respond well to pruning . . . but if you guys think that it's a good idea then I'll try it on one of the plants in a couple of days rather than top. During the day it gets into the low 90s, so I'm trying to keep temps down more than anything. During the night it's in the mid 80s.
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06-29-2006, 05:33 PM
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Ok, screw it then. I FIMed my two youngest after thinking for like . . . five seconds about it. I realize I was just scared cuz I didn't cut off enough on my 21 year old when I FIMEd her and she just grew super deformed leaves.
SOOOooo, there we go, let's see what happens. I made sure to do it right this time, paying close attention to where I cut, so hopefully we'll see a few new shoots in the next two or three days. Herbs, I'm gonna keep training them down though as I haven't seen any bad reaction to that yet. I'm pretty sure the yellowing on that one plant was just from severe underwatering cuz she perked right up after I watered her correctly.
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06-29-2006, 05:44 PM
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woops, I meant shouldnt. I think FIM is too much stress for such a little plant. |
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06-29-2006, 10:03 PM
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The temps are so high I figured that co2 was necessary for them to survive. If they continue to heat stress, I'll just put more bottles in there. They have the tiniest hole in the top so that co2 isn't lost too quickly and I'll be completing the back of my grow box so that it's more enclosed. I think they'll survive the FIM though, I saw comedykills journal with mexican bagseed and he had FIMed and topped them at 21 days or so I think . . . so they weren't THAT much older than mine. Besides, in previous pms with Dier, he said that Toping at the third node was fine and I just FIMed the fifth node, so I think they'll be okay. Maybe you're right though Herbs, maybe it's too much stress for them to be FIMed and LST at this age and thusly I'll get males n'soforth . . . hope not though. Well, one way or another I'm ALOT less worried now that I got at least SOME sort of co2 supplementation in there. Just knowing it's there makes me alot less nervous about these high temps. We'll see if it makes a difference though . . . Let me know what you guys think. I'm pretty sure when Dier gets back online he'll tell me to change out the soil, which is probably a good idea, but I'll just not use the E.B. Stone's when I transplant to a bigger pot I think. Hopefully I'll see some increased growth rates in a week or so. I'll be replacing the co2 every four days I think. By the by Herbs, I think that LSTing it early is really just fine, they showed very very vigorous growth every time I tied them down. While I think it stresses it at first, it grows wider leaves in order to compensate for its very temporary lack of light while it rights itself within 2 hours. Really, they get bigger from what I've seen. Also, guys, I tested the ph of the water runoff from my soil and it was 6.6, so I'm pretty happy.
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06-30-2006, 05:08 AM
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okay, well today has been a productive day for me, got a lot done. But in concerns to the grow I checked back today after a few hours of the co2 yeast solution in there and it definately helped them avoid heat stress. One plant in particular looked pretty vigorous, while the others looked healthy. The dead leaves unfortunately look like they're never coming back, sadly enough. But they still have a little green tinge to them so we'll leave them on. Hopefully it won't get any worse, but we'll check in tomorrow and see how they're doing.
The eldest is showing signs of some sort of nutrient deficiency . . . the newer growth is showing a slight tinge of overall yellow which disturbs me, but we'll closely monitor. I think it may need a small dose of epsom salts for magnesium, but I don't know how much to dose. Can someone help me out on this? I'll dose with some bat guano tea in a few days if the problem persists . . . Anyway, I put another co2 yeast solution bottle in there to try and max out how much co2 is in the chamber, hopefully this will not only help the plants deal with the high temps, but rather utilize the high temps for a faster growing plant. We'll see how well that does, but if I have to I'll put one or two more in there to see how far I can take it. Can't hurt is all I know. I finally put a flat white wall on the back of my box today and it reflects light pretty well onto the plants so my light efficiency just went up a little. So yeh . . . productive day. If you guys want to know the co2 solution it's this: Materials: 1 2 liter soda bottle with cap 1 1/4 tsp measuring spoon 1 Pyrex liquid measuring cup 1 Dry measuring cup (1 cup size) 1 Funnel Hot Tap Water Yeast Sugar Procedure: -Take off the cap of the 2 liter soda bottle and poke the smallest hole you can in the cap. -Clean/sterilize the bottle with hot tap water and rinse out until clean on the inside. Do the same for the cap -Fill Pyrex cup with 1 liquid cup of extremely hot tap water -Measure out one dry cup of sugar and pour into pyrex cup -Stir thoroughly until sugar is dissolved in water -Pour mixture through funnel into 2 liter bottle -Repeat mixture once more and pour into 2 liter bottle -Measure out 1/4 tsp. of yeast and pour into 2 liter bottle -Quickly cover bottle with cap -Shake vigorously -Remove cap and pour a small amount of sugar onto surface of mixture. -Screw cap back onto bottle That's it. Just put it behind your ventilation fan that is pointing towards your plants and let the co2 enriched mixture go. It should last 4-7 days I believe. This works kind of like o2 for humans, the more the better. So if you can fit more into your space, then go for it, but after a certain point it will become pointless to put more in. Remember to refrigerate your yeast after opening it as it dies readily at room temperature if it doesn't have something to feed on. If all goes well the plants will survive temps as high as 98 to 120 I've heard and it's much better for the plants to be at those temps when the air is co2 enriched anyways. This is simply a good way at getting around those scary high temperatures during the summer without having to invest in an expensive cooling system which is basically how I'm using it, but y'know increased plant vigor is always a plus. We'll see for sure in a few days whether or not the whole increased vigor actually happens though, but I'm optomistic.
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07-16-2006, 10:17 AM
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well, the grow is going . . . five weeks old now and here they are after 1 day of 12/12:
Sorry about the blurry pics, my camera sucks. As you can see they are very small and I think it's because they got heat stressed two weeks ago before I put some co2 pop bottles in there, but the first one has about eight shoots coming off of its meristem, and the second one has about six. Praying for females  By the by, today is the second day of 12/12 and already they are a bit taller than what the pics show.
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07-16-2006, 02:20 PM
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You should give it a bigger pot.....Mite grow more.
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07-16-2006, 10:16 PM
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Yeh, I know they're a bit big for those pots, but I'll repot once I can tell sex. That way I don't waste soil if one or both turn out male, y'know?
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07-17-2006, 04:55 AM
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Looking good mate. Love the title of this thread lol.
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