Salvia-The way to smoke, and enjoy it. *offical thread*

[XZit]

I'm tired of people always asking "how do you smoke salvia" or "how to I insure myself a good trip" so I'm making this a offical--how to smoke salvia and enjoy your high thread.


Note to mods: PLEASE MAKE THIS A STICKY thx!!


First of all what is salvia? Well obviously its a plant. But what does it do to your body, and whats the high like, and what does it look like in its various forms?

Well first of all some info on the plant its self:
Salvia divinorum is a sprawling perennial herb which grows wild only in the Sierra Mazatec region of Mexico. It's leaves contain the extremely potent salvinorin-A. It has a history of use as a divinatory psychedelic for oral use and has been widely available since the mid 1990s primarily as a smoked herb. Its effects are considered unpleasant by many people.


The High consits of mild, to very heavy and psychedelic "trips". Salvia D. has been reported to be the strongest pschoative plant known to man at this present time.


The plant itself (as seen in the attached picture) consists of green leaves and a green stalk (stem). When it flowers the flowers are blue/purplish in nature.



Some tidbits about salvia:
Salvia Gravity
When smoked, it is not uncommon for Salvia divinorum to produce a very physical sensation of pressure on the body. This is a relatively unique effect of S. divinorum. Described variously as a pulling or pushing of the body in a particular direction, some people find themselves pinned to the floor for the duration of their experience. One user described it as "Salvia gravity".

Many people find effects difficult to achieve
For whatever reason, some people find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to achieve effects with Salvia divinorum. It is not clear at this time whether this is primarily the result of differing body chemistry, smoking techniques, material, or some other factor.

Some people find combining with Cannabis more effective
Some people report that they are unable to achieve any significant effects with Salvia divinorum (even 10x extract) unless they use it on top of a solid base of smoked Cannabis.

Air Roots
n high humidity, Salvia divinorum plants can put out air roots (roots growing above the surface of the soil).


There are 3 forms of in-taking salvia into yourself.

1.) First is called a "chew" or a *Quid*, bassically this consits of you taking severel salvia leaves and rolling them into a ball. You then put this ball between your gum and mouth and proceed to chew once in a while, and just let sit there as long as possible. Very similar to chewing tobbaco.
The effect produced from chewing salvia is very differen't then other effects as you are not specifically intaking the ethogens/pschoative chemicals into your blood stream (at least not as quickly as the other two methods). The effects produced from chewing will consist of mild euphoria, and pleasnt feelings. For those who are prone to the effects of salvia--mild psycedilic trips may occur. Chewing is great when combined with one of the other methods.

2.) Leafs. The actual leaves of the plant can be smoked directly. Just take a whole leaf or two and load it into your bowl and inhale. (I'll go into the proper smoking techniques later)

3.) Extraction. The best way to smoke/take salvia is by FAR smoking GOOD extraction. Good extraction will be extracted from the leaves with a high proof alcholol usually. A good extraction will look very green--almost like the salvia leaves where dried up, and then crumpled. In my personal opioion a good starter extraction for salvia is the salvia extraction 10x (salvia comes in 5, 10, 16, 20 e.t.c. X--which means for say "5 times the strength of smoking the leaf itself, or 10 times the strength of smoking the leaf itself and so on e.t.c.) My favorite place to buy Salvia extract is *link removed* They sell very good quality extractions, extracted with a high proof etholonal alcholol. The quality is surberb. Any orders over $30 is free shipping as well. Note that the 20X off of *link removed* is VERY strong. I have never done it myself--but have done the 10x--and that was very strong. 20x will send you to another time, and another place. Also there are two differen't types of extracts. One of which is a "non-standardized extract" basically its extracted salvia infused with the leaf (which of course is not extracted) so non-standardized extract isn't as potent as "standardized extract"--which is a pure extract from the leaf, not infused with the leaf. The MOST potent of salvia extracts is somthing called a "Tincture" basically its salvia in the MORE purest form possible. It extracts "Salvnorian A" (the psycoative chemical in salvia d.) and produces a white powder. This is so potent that imagine grains of sand. Take 5-10 grains of sand, thats your dose. The tincture is extremly potent, requires a lot of leaves to make-and extremelly risky. The dose is 200 - 500 mcg--very VERY small. The tinture would be smoked in a vaporization pipe.
Not many people know what a tincture is so heres a link to someone who made a tincture if your interested:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/...raction4.shtml

Another-and far less potent extraction method is a liquid extraction:
Basically all this is, is salvia extract in alcholol. You'd take this in the form of drops on your tongue (just like lsd/acid). The liquid can be very potent, yet some people have reported feeling nothing off the liquid and feeling a lot from smoking salvia. Once agian I recomend *link removed* for a good liquid extact of salvia.




To obtain the best high here are the steps that should be taken.
(not in order-just try to encommpess as many of these steps as possible when smoking salvia)

1.) ALWAYS have a sitter. There is no exception. Salvia can FREAK some people out. If you read up on some experiances of salvia on erowid.com people have been reported running out of the house naked, and into the street--this is even with sitters.

2.) The BEST way to smoke salvia is very simple. Simply get a good piece i.e. a good glass on glass bong, or a good bubbler e.t.c. Glass is always the best option. A pipe will work, but a small pipe won't--there needs to be a good amount of room for the smoke to expand inside the piece when you are inhaling.

3.) Portion Size!! This can NOT be told enough. Many people will put to much salvia in their bowl (usually extracted salvia mind you) and will smoke it and have a bad trip. A small pinch of a good extract is more then enough salvia. Its good to start using a small pinch of salvia first-then work your way up instead of 1 larger pinch e.t.c. of the extract. Build a tolerance/understand salvias effects on your body before overdoing it. Salvia has a differen't effect on everybody. We all have differen't brain chemistrys. As a result your high will be differen't then your freinds. Salvia has similar effects on everyone, esspecially at lower levels, but once you get to higher levels there are differen't things that happen to people when they are tripping.

4.) When you smoke Salvia one important thing to understand is the plant itself and how strong it is. You must respect salvia in order to have a good trip. Basically understand that salvia is a strong drug, it will fuck you up, and respect it--know its effects e.t.c. before smoking it. Salvia is not a recreational drug like pot. Don't roll a freaking joint with salvia in it in your car and smoke it--salvia is not for that. Salvia is a spirtual "drug" and should be used for spirtual journays. If your not spirtual--at least understand and respect the plant/drug and you will have a good high.

5.) Smoking techniques: Use a jet torch/blue flame lighter. Light the salvia in the bowl and smoke it all at one time--the whole leaf/extract in the bowl piece--inhaling slowly and in a controlled manner. When the bowl is all gone, hold the smoke in as long as possible, breath on in a slow controlled manner and have a good trip!

6.) Enviroment: This is *very* important. Enviroment will basically insure a good or a bad trip. The best enviroment is a place that you are very familiar/comfortable with/in. Have lights off/on very dim, have no other weird extractions-like some blarring tv e.t.c. Have some chill music playing on a lowish volume level.



Salvias effects last 10-20 min (peak {cerbal/psychedlic high}--which hits usually instantly after smoking). After effects--which is a more of a body high last a hour or so after the peak.




I hope that this information helps you guys.
If you wish to learn more about salvia (which I highly recomend) go here:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml




Have fun!
Be Safe!
And Understand your drug/substance!


NOTE: Attached pictures (from top to bottom). 1.) Salvia leaves, and stem (plant) 2.) Salvia flower (salvia d.) 3.) Salvia D. 5x Extraction. (note how the extract almost looks like dried leaves crumpled up--this is a good extract).




--Will

Remember mods--please make this a sticky if possible!

[darkarmy]

I have some 5x extract, and I was wondering if rolling a thin joint would work as I just broke my piece. I roll with very thin paper so would smoking it with a sitter be possible? Or is a good piece basically the only method?

Edit: Also, how long does the 'smell' linger? Marijuana tends to stay in the air for quite awhile, even sticking to some material for days. Is the smell as strong as marijuana, or does it fade quickly or have a weak scent comparable to tobacco.

~Thanks

[XZit]

Originally Posted by darkarmy

I have some 5x extract, and I was wondering if rolling a thin joint would work as I just broke my piece. I roll with very thin paper so would smoking it with a sitter be possible? Or is a good piece basically the only method?

~Thanks

You'll obtain some effects. But you probally won't experinace a kind of high you would if you smoked salvia in a good glass piece. This is becuase a joint doesn't allow much smoke expantion. If you where to roll a joint I'd suggest a long, slow burning joint. Don't forget that with each puff off the joint to hold the smoke in as long as possible. Even if it is a joint-its still salvia. So hold it in, e.t.c. e.t.c.
5x in itself won't do that much--even if smoked in a good glass piece. The extation isn't that much. Yet it still is 5 times as strong as smoking the leaf itself. In a joint--and if the whole thing was packed with 5x--you will probally get pretty high, be prepared for an experiance. Yet agian don't expect massive hallucinations e.t.c. :P lol


And in regards to the smell--salvia is sold as a "insence" on herbal websites. *link removed* So it doesn't smell for that long at all, and if parents e.t.c. do smell it and wonder--just say its insence.


Good luck and have fun!

[fAKdded]

Good Thread + Rep, I have a Q. I've been really trying to get ahold of some damn Salvia. Could i got to my local headshop, and see if they will order it or obtain it for me? I tried a big chain and they never even heard of it. I can't order on-line at the time.

[XZit]

Originally Posted by fAKdded

Good Thread + Rep, I have a Q. I've been really trying to get ahold of some damn Salvia. Could i got to my local headshop, and see if they will order it or obtain it for me? I tried a big chain and they never even heard of it. I can't order on-line at the time.

Local headshops may not have it. A lot of people if uneducated about Salvia simply don't know what it is.
I'd recomend to go to a insence/herbal sort of store. There however are some headshops that do sell Salvia. Yet it is hard to find.
Online of course is the best solution.
Salvia in itself is a insence, and is totally legal to sell and be used as a insence. However people that do sell it usually know/find out quite quickly about Salvia being a psycoative/psychecalic, and as a result they may take it off the shelf paranoid that its illegal. Yet according to law
"Salvia is unscheduled in the United States meaning it is legal to possess and sell. The federal Analog Act generally requires chemicals be chemically similar to another scheduled substance to qualify . As Salvinorin is chemically very different from any scheduled substance it is unlikely to be targeted under that act. Salvia divinorum has been added to a list of controlled plants in Australia as of June, 2002."
So Salvia is legal to possess and sell. So yes--some headshops sell it. Otherwise go look around for herbal/plant stores. It is a plant, and it makes a rather pretty flower during flowering season. You maybe able to special order it from a garden store. Just make sure you mention "Salvia Divinorum", becuase there are many MANY strains of salvia. So far Salvia Divinorum is the only strain thats known to cause psycadelic effects.

[XZit]

bumping to make sure this wasn't deleted.
If this thread was to be delted--that wouldn't make any sense as I see no problem with this thread at all.



edit--lol ok so it wasn't delted, I just didn't see it, wanted to make sure.


Yes mods plz. make this a sticky!

thx!!

[Arno]

Are there undesired effects after the salvia trip ? Headache, puking or tiredness ? Do you need some rest or sleep after the trip, or are you ready to continue your day ?

[XZit]

Originally Posted by Arno

Are there undesired effects after the salvia trip ? Headache, puking or tiredness ? Do you need some rest or sleep after the trip, or are you ready to continue your day ?

mm...well the peak of the trip is roughly 10-20min on average. The peak kicks in right after smoking (unless you do it as a "chew" *Quid*). The after effects last 1 hour or so after the peak. According to the individual the after effects (which is more of a body high) can be pleasnent or unpleasnt.

Undesired effects after all triping and the after effects are usually very limited. Its agian dependent on the individual themselfs.
The only effect that I can think of that is slightly undesired is a possible headache.

Salvia seems to "push" you towards a specific way usually it "pushes" you to the left. Its like a force-you feel this force, I guess the best way to describe it is gravity being sideways and pushing you on your right side to the left.
This can cause a mild headache in the individual--esspecially on the left side of your head/brain.


I'd suggest enough relaxation after the trip to get rid of all the after effects/high. Sleep isn't required. After all salvia only lasts about 1hr 30min in total (peak, baseline, comedown) sense theres no comeup to the peak the high is considerably shorter then normal.


Hope that helped.

pz,
Will

[XZit]

bumping--just wanted to make sure you got that last advice.
pz

[XZit]

sry if I'm annoying here. lol.

But I just want this to become a sticky so everybody can see it.
It answers basically almost all questions about salvia--and if someone has a question thats not answered in the thread they can just ask on this thread and I'll answer it right away.


So yes mods please make it a sticky!

thx!

[darkarmy]

I have a drug test tuesday and I've been clean for over a month so I know I'm fine, however I just got my new vaporizer and I want to test it out.

Does Salvia show up on any kind of drug test, and yeah I know it's legal but I don't want to have a dirty sample like that. The test is the middle of next week, so I guess I could wait but I'm dying to try it out.

[XZit]

Originally Posted by darkarmy

I have a drug test tuesday and I've been clean for over a month so I know I'm fine, however I just got my new vaporizer and I want to test it out.

Does Salvia show up on any kind of drug test, and yeah I know it's legal but I don't want to have a dirty sample like that. The test is the middle of next week, so I guess I could wait but I'm dying to try it out.

Well Salvia divinorum is uncontrolled in the United States. This means all parts of the plant and its extracts are legal to buy, sell, cultivate, and possess without a license or prescription. If sold as a supplement, sales must conform to U.S. supplement laws. If sold for consumption as a food or drug, sales are regulated by the FDA.

The federal analog act generally requires that, in order to qualify as an analog, a substance must be chemically similar to a substance which is federally scheduled. Salvia Divinorum is chemically quite different from other scheduled substances and as a plant is quite unlikely to be targeted by this act.

Selling Salvia divinorum for human consumption as a "drug" is probably illegal in the US under the Food, Drug & Cosmetics Act and its sale as a drug would be regulated by the FDA. Selling an unapproved drug in the US can be prosecuted under the FD&C's "misbranding" clause. The more it is packaged and marketed as a drug (for example a 10x extract hyped as 'the new ecstasy') the more likely it is to be treated as an "illegal drug" by law enforcement agents.




Salvia is perfectlly legal. However it is "not for human consumption" I wouldn't stress about salvia and a drug test--it shouldn't matter at all.
Salvia is a insence--and that is your excuse if they ask.




yet note: if you live in these states:
Louisiana
Missouri
or New Jersey take caution.
According to erowid there have been ordinance banning sales of Salvia divinorum to minors, but usually this is just a currupt "police officer" that doesn't know the laws.

Savia is presently legal in all forms in the United states.
In the U.K. salvia is unscheduled, making it legal to sell/but/cultivate in anyway.
Some head shops and garden stores even sell salvia d plants live, or the extract.



note that the worse punishment for salvia possesion in in Denmark where Salvia divinorum (and salvinorin) were added to category B of the controlled substances list on August 23, 2003. The penalty for possession is reportedly up to 2 years in prison!! lol

[XZit]

bizbumpin.

[stbernard808]

Dude. i love salvia it kicks ass.

[lumpmaroon]

the best salvia trip i ever had by far came when i was already completely high already. i was totally blazed and my buddy was like, "why dont u bust out the salv?" so i did, and it was AMAZING. It lasted for an hour too, the peak did, my friend had to coax me out of it after an hour an a half i still had the pillow over my eyes and was seeing all kinds of crazy shit. i HIGHLY reccomend salvia combined with weed. u will not regret it.