Oh what ever will I do?

[Chronik-Judge]

Originally Posted by fghtdmns

Ok, not a concentration camp. Open-air prison, better?

wow. That's you look a whole lot smarter now. I'm done. Peace.


OOO an edit in his post!!!

You just used a BLOG as a reference. Quit embarrassing yourself.
You re-alize peace is easily attainable if both sides want it right? Thats the problem, they've said it many times, they won't stop until they completely eliminate Israel.

And FYI, the CIVILIANS are the ones who blame Hamas for hiding in pre-schools and shooting rockets. If you're harboring a terrorist shooting rockets at Israel, then its your fault your house blows up.

[Chronik-Judge]

Also, take a look at where that article originally comes from...

[fghtdmns]

Originally Posted by Chronik-Judge

wow. That's you look a whole lot smarter now. I'm done. Peace.


OOO an edit in his post!!!

You just used a BLOG as a reference. Quit embarrassing yourself.
You re-alize peace is easily attainable if both sides want it right? Thats the problem, they've said it many times, they won't stop until they completely eliminate Israel.

And FYI, the CIVILIANS are the ones who blame Hamas for hiding in pre-schools and shooting rockets. If you're harboring a terrorist shooting rockets at Israel, then its your fault your house blows up.

Yes, it's a blog, but it contains plenty of credible sources if you'd like to check. Here's one from the Independent containing the Red Cross report.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...l-1019521.html

And in case you don't like the Independent, and you seem like the type, here it is from Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,476627,00.html

The thing is, there are Red Cross reports, UN reports, that all point towards Israel as the aggressor, and yet you totally ignore them. Now, I'm not agreeing that Hamas is in the right, violence isn't going to fix it. But forcing them into a tiny strip of land and destroying their lives isn't going to solve anything either.

[Chronik-Judge]

Cross-posted at Norman Finkelstein.

Nice website

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/index.php

[Chronik-Judge]

Originally Posted by fghtdmns

Yes, it's a blog, but it contains plenty of credible sources if you'd like to check. Here's one from the Independent containing the Red Cross report.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...l-1019521.html

And in case you don't like the Independent, and you seem like the type, here it is from Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,476627,00.html

The thing is, there are Red Cross reports, UN reports, that all point towards Israel as the aggressor, and yet you totally ignore them. Now, I'm not agreeing that Hamas is in the right, violence isn't going to fix it. But forcing them into a tiny strip of land and destroying their lives isn't going to solve anything either.

Fuck it. Enough of this. You completely ruined my buzz. You're too hard headed. Go read your blog. Keep in mind you used FOX NEWS AND A BLOGas a reference.

[Chronik-Judge]

Originally Posted by fghtdmns

According to the UN, Israel is an occupying power of Gaza. They agreed to leave in 2005, but left their roadblocks, and numerous checkpoints along the Israeli/Gaza Strip border.

Here's a nice little read for you:
http://heathlander.wordpress.com/200...uman-blockade/

They may not have a presence within the strip, but they control everything that goes in and out. Heavy economic restrictions and a limited supply of basic goods are causing a “progressive deterioration in food security for up to 70 per cent of Gaza’s population”. People are being forced to cut household spending to “survival levels”. “[T]he embargo has had a devastating effect for a large proportion of households who have had to make major changes on the composition of their food basket,” causing a “[steady] rise” in “chronic malnutrition”. The poorest two-fifths of the population now survive on only 50p per person per day, and many have been forced to sell jewellery and even household appliances to buy food and other necessities. The Red Cross concludes that if the blockade is not halted “economic disintegration will continue and wider segments of the Gaza population will become food insecure”, while “the prolongation of the restrictions [on trade] risks permanently damaging households’ capacity to recover and undermines their ability to attain food security in the long term.” Only a removal of the embargo “can reverse the trend of impoverishment”.
The Red Cross’ findings, shocking as they are, are fully consistent with what the UN, the World Bank and leading human rights organisations have been reporting since early 2006, when the current siege began. To call the present situation in the occupied territories a “humanitarian crisis” is slightly misleading in that it suggests a lack of agency behind it. In truth, the civilian population of Gaza has been “intentionally reduced to a state of abject destitution” with the tacit complicity or, in our case, the active participation of the entire international community.

In June of this year a ceasefire was agreed between Israel and the various militant groups in Gaza. Hamas had been calling for a comprehensive ceasefire with Israel for months, a proposal Israel repeatedly rejected in favour of a sharp escalation in violence, killing more than double the number of people in Gaza in the first three months of 2008 than in the corresponding periods of the previous three years combined. When this failed to weaken Hamas’ hold on the Strip, or even to decrease the number of Qassams being fired at Israel (indeed it, of course, achieved precisely the opposite), the Israeli government finally, reluctantly agreed to a ceasefire.

There had been hope that the truce would lead to an end to the blockade and a substantial easing of the humanitarian situation in Gaza. Instead, Gaza has remained in a state of “virtual siege” (.pdf) in which “[s]hortages of electricity, fuel, safe water and sanitation frame daily life”, while the general population has seen “few dividends from the ceasefire“. Israel permitted virtually “no improvement in the movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza” and there was “no relaxation of the total ban on exports” (.pdf), a prerequisite for the revival of the Gazan economy.

All of which meant that the eruption of violence over the past week, precipitated by an Israeli strike in Gaza, was always a mere matter of time.

If you're unaware, an Israeli force entered into the Gaza strip and killed 6 Palestinians on November 4th, again breaking the cease-fire by military force, if that better suits you.
(YouTube - CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First)

And ok, not a concentration camp. Open-air prison, better?

did you watch the video you edited on? It clearly states they we're digging tunnels to kidnap israeli soldiers. For their sick little videos to show the world how mentally disturbed they are. Not to mention they seem idtentical to the videos that pop up of American soldiers being kidnapped by terrorists. K NOW i'm really done. You just keep pissign me off more.

[Chronik-Judge]

And FYI, Again, stay the fuck out of my country. We agree with the U.S.A

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...specialComment


Why don't you flee to Iran or something?

[fghtdmns]

Just because it's crossed-posted on some crazy website doesn't take away the truth from it.

Even CNN has admitted that Israel broke the cease fire by crossing into the Gaza strip and killing 6 Palestinians.

And the situation for civilians is horrible there. To say it's not a prison is outlandish.
Here's an official UN Report documenting the crisis faced by the civilian population.

http://www.webcitation.org/5dYZRlFLB

And it's all because of Israel's blockade on the Gaza strip.

And here's one from the BBC noting the humanitarian crisis:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7813671.stm

So, are those not credible enough?

[Dryice]

Dude, academic suspension doesn't mean you get rejected a semester, unless your school is vastly different from the ones I know about. Just means you'll be watched for progress... if your grades don't progress to the schools goal (mine is 2.0) then they kick you the following semester.

Hamas has been repeatedly sending rockets into Israel. I feel Israel has every right to retaliate.

[Wet Horse Lips]

Stop all the squabblin', you guys and girls!

Dude, I live in Canada. I'm sure you have a good chance of becoming a Canadian, if you so wish. Unless you have a criminal record or something, there shouldn't be too much of a problem, but I can't say for sure. Why don't you go about applying for citizenship.

Have you visited Canada before? It's not much different than the USA. Why don't you see about studying in Canada? That might be able to help secure citizenship there - maybe not as soon as you'd like, but perhaps at some point?

Oh and dude, if you end up living here, you're going to like weed prices. A lot.

Where in Canada were you thinking of moving? Or have you not considered it that much?

[fghtdmns]

Originally Posted by Dryice

Dude, academic suspension doesn't mean you get rejected a semester, unless your school is vastly different from the ones I know about. Just means you'll be watched for progress... if your grades don't progress to the schools goal (mine is 2.0) then they kick you the following semester.

Well apparently my school is vastly different. I was placed on academic suspension and told I could re-register for classes during the summer semesters.

[fghtdmns]

Originally Posted by Wet Horse Lips

Stop all the squabblin', you guys and girls!

Dude, I live in Canada. I'm sure you have a good chance of becoming a Canadian, if you so wish. Unless you have a criminal record or something, there shouldn't be too much of a problem, but I can't say for sure. Why don't you go about applying for citizenship.

Have you visited Canada before? It's not much different than the USA. Why don't you see about studying in Canada? That might be able to help secure citizenship there - maybe not as soon as you'd like, but perhaps at some point?

Oh and dude, if you end up living here, you're going to like weed prices. A lot.

Where in Canada were you thinking of moving? Or have you not considered it that much?

Haven't really considered it too much. This all just hit me today, so I'm open to suggestions. And no criminal record so I guess I'm good on that front.

And I've been jealous of the weed prices. I'm going to laugh when I leave and the US decides to decriminalize it.

[Chronik-Judge]

Originally Posted by fghtdmns

Just because it's crossed-posted on some crazy website doesn't take away the truth from it.

Even CNN has admitted that Israel broke the cease fire by crossing into the Gaza strip and killing 6 Palestinians.

And the situation for civilians is horrible there. To say it's not a prison is outlandish.
Here's an official UN Report documenting the crisis faced by the civilian population.

http://www.webcitation.org/5dYZRlFLB

And it's all because of Israel's blockade on the Gaza strip.

And here's one from the BBC noting the humanitarian crisis:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7813671.stm

So, are those not credible enough?

Why do you think the blockade is there?..? So people can't just walk through to fuck shit up. Yeah, it used to be alot worse, suicide bombings ALL the time. Enough is enough.

The chinese built a wall too. It's not a solution, but it's all they got.


They were digging tunnels into israel to assault them. This can't end unless Hamas decides they can co-exist with an israeli state. The only use Hamas has in the those cease fires is to rebuild. First time theyr rockets when 20km, then 30km.. no one wants to see rockets going 40km.. they just rebuild.. While Iran saves up for its nuclear bomb. Fuck that, soemthing has to be done..

And theres plenty of other much worse humanitarian crisises... Some that people didn't bring upon themselves. So why does everyone suddenly care that there are people without food in the world now?

[Chronik-Judge]

Hamas doesn't even aim their targets at military officials, they just shoot into cities. If israel decided to use the same "morals" as hamas, there would be no gaza strip.

[fghtdmns]

Originally Posted by Chronik-Judge

Why do you think the blockade is there?..? So people can't just walk through to fuck shit up. Yeah, it used to be alot worse, suicide bombings ALL the time. Enough is enough.

The chinese built a wall too. It's not a solution, but it's all they got.


They were digging tunnels into israel to assault them. This can't end unless Hamas decides they can co-exist with an israeli state. The only use Hamas has in the those cease fires is to rebuild. First time theyr rockets when 20km, then 30km.. no one wants to see rockets going 40km.. they just rebuild.. While Iran saves up for its nuclear bomb. Fuck that, soemthing has to be done..

And theres plenty of other much worse humanitarian crisises... Some that people didn't bring upon themselves. So why does everyone suddenly care that there are people without food in the world now?

The blockade would be reasonable if it were effective, but it's not. It's used to control the Palestinian population.

“Israel’s rightful self-defense against unlawful rocket attacks does not justify a blockade that denies civilians the food, fuel and medicine needed to survive, a policy amounting to collective punishment,” said Joe Stork, acting director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division. “Gazans can’t turn on the lights, get tap water, buy enough food, or earn a living without Israel’s consent.”



It's as simple as that. Israel's illegal blockade denies Gaza food, fuel, and medicine.


(If you want to deny that one, it's from the Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/01/2...-border-breach)


And to imply that the Palestinians brought this on themselves is ludicrous. If the Israelis hadn't forced them from their land, they never would've voted in Hamas.

Originally Posted by Chronik-Judge

Hamas doesn't even aim their targets at military officials, they just shoot into cities. If israel decided to use the same "morals" as hamas, there would be no gaza strip.

It would seem that Israel has taken on the same "morals" after looking at the UN school that was shelled while civilians where sheltered there, despite providing the IDF with all school' coordinates, as well as marking the schools with UN flags.

(Here's an Israeli newspaper quoting the UN rejecting the IDF claim that Gaza militants operated from the bombed-out school: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053455.html)