2nd amendment What do you Think?

[Bobs16]

So after a little debate with my supervisor I want to ask you all what you think? Do you think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms? Here is is for the people who do not want to look it up.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, 
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

For one I DO NOT say we should not have guns I have 3 rifles my self!

Only thing I am arguing is the 2nd amendment does not give you the right to bear arms unless under a militia. There has not been a militia in what 75 years? I think that, "Free State "," the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.....etc" is still pertaining to a well regulated Militia not of the people as you and I.

It would be like to me that if I told you I had a red car in my dream. You go and tell everyone I have a red car. But I do not, only in my dream. I feel you can not pick and choose what you want to hear out of a sentence.

My super made a good point though because "of the people" was/has been used a lot to the meaning of you and I like in the pre amble so what do you think?

[Feelin'Alright]

Sucks that Ron Paul dropped out of the race. He wasn't making a significant impact in the polls though. He had a lot of grassroots support but not enough in the mainstream.

He was a strict constitutionalist and I fee like I also share that view. The 2nd amendment, to me, says that we have the right to possess firearms to protect ourselves. Also, militias are citizens way of fighting back at the government and I mean [I]actually[I] fighting back in physical sense. How do you think the American Revolution started, albeit there was no Consitution yet.

[GimmieMore]

I was gonna say something but nevermind..... I'm too high for this.

[amsterdamage]

Originally Posted by GimmieMore

I was gonna say something but nevermind..... I'm too high for this.

these posts make me feel GoOD!!

[pavlakos]

the second ammendment was made to give people the power to protect themeselves against government not eachother.
the people are slowly but surely being disarmed and conquered.

[numba1stunna885]

My opinion.....


There is no real right/wrong answer when it comes to gun control or the interpretation of the constitution. I mean with guns being legal to own it contributes to gun violence by criminals but also allows for upstanding citizens to have a form of protection in an emergency. Making them illegal would only create a situation where only the criminals would have access to guns and would make the existing problem we have with guns even worse. I think that the most logical thing would be to create even harsher gun laws or limit gun purchases to one per household. That would allow anyone who wants a gun in their home for protection the chance to have one, while also limiting the total number of guns people own and as a result hopefully limit the number of guns available on the black market. I'm not sure how you implement a plan like this, but I think that people who have large arsenals legally are part of the problem as well, mainly due to the risk of someone breaking into their home and stealing all the guns and using them for criminal purposes.

[Primo832641]

[Biggs1028]

Originally Posted by pavlakos

the second ammendment was made to give people the power to protect themeselves against government not eachother.
the people are slowly but surely being disarmed and conquered.

Pav is right on the money. My defination of militia is either citizens defending their country or citizens fighting the gov. Now since there are no militias to defend out country because america is has like the strongest army in the world, guns can really only be used for protection or causing crimes. The easy way for the gov. to do this is banish the 2nd ammendment so the only way to get them is the black market. Since they can't do that they make a bunch of laws that limit the rights of guns.

[Bobs16]

Originally Posted by Biggs1028

Pav is right on the money. My defination of militia is either citizens defending their country or citizens fighting the gov. Now since there are no militias to defend out country because america is has like the strongest army in the world, guns can really only be used for protection or causing crimes. The easy way for the gov. to do this is banish the 2nd ammendment so the only way to get them is the black market. Since they can't do that they make a bunch of laws that limit the rights of guns.

The supreme court has said before the 2nd amd does not allow us to have guns it is stated in the elastic clause I belief; which covers everything else that the government can not take away from you. It is like cars the constitution does not say we can can have them so does that mean we can not have cars? No becasue in the elastic clause it is covered.

[stoned budda]

Justice Scalias desision:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-cont.../06/07-290.pdf

[Reggin]

Originally Posted by numba1stunna885

My opinion.....


There is no real right/wrong answer when it comes to gun control or the interpretation of the constitution. I mean with guns being legal to own it contributes to gun violence by criminals but also allows for upstanding citizens to have a form of protection in an emergency. Making them illegal would only create a situation where only the criminals would have access to guns and would make the existing problem we have with guns even worse. I think that the most logical thing would be to create even harsher gun laws or limit gun purchases to one per household. That would allow anyone who wants a gun in their home for protection the chance to have one, while also limiting the total number of guns people own and as a result hopefully limit the number of guns available on the black market. I'm not sure how you implement a plan like this, but I think that people who have large arsenals legally are part of the problem as well, mainly due to the risk of someone breaking into their home and stealing all the guns and using them for criminal purposes.

Fuck only having one gun. I personally shoot for sport, and go hunting and we freeze the meat during the winter. Gun laws can eat my nuts.

So can anyone that supports them.

[Chaohinon]

Guns in the hands of citizens has made us a much safer society. Compare with Britain where the violent crime incidents are through the roof due to people not being able to defend themselves.

And speaking as someone with zero gun experience, I believe gun trade should be completely unmitigated. That means assault rifles, armor piercing bullets, thermonuclear weapons... the government wouldn't be so quick to step on our rights, methinks. Even pro-gun people tend to find this position wacky, believing that regulation is necessary to a degree (and disingenuously thinking that it applies only to hunting and minor self-defense), but look at the gangs and cartels in this country. They're usually dealing with automatics, assault rifles, etc., as they can get a hold of virtually anything they please by way of being criminals. Why allow them to have an advantage over law-abiding people?

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[numba1stunna885]

Originally Posted by Reggin

Fuck only having one gun. I personally shoot for sport, and go hunting and we freeze the meat during the winter. Gun laws can eat my nuts.

So can anyone that supports them.

Compelling argument let me tell you, you sound quite intelligent. You know they sell meat at grocery stores nowadays, it is the 21st century and everything, so I don't give 2 shits what you do with your "game" you don't NEED to hunt....PERIOD. I'm sure you would just be so depressed if you couldn't go out in the woods and shoot an animal with your super powered arsenal, but I'm sure the millions of people who have lost loved ones to senseless gun crimes would find it sensible. It's idiots like yourself who think we need abide by the constitution word for word as if times haven't changed in 300 years and as if the world we live in hasn't been shattered by people shooting each other every day. So go ahead and enjoy having all your guns so you can avoid starving and all since we know you're one of those "purposeful" gun owners who try to justify having enough weaponry to take over Rhode Island. You sir are a complete moron and people like you with your contrived and stubborn line of thinking are part of the reason why our country is so messed up. Wake up and smell the coffee and read the papers.

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[effektz]

It's all how they define 'Militia', but most historians will tell you to look at it through the POV of our founders. coming from an opressive regime where the citizens had a harder time rising up. Basically the citizens feared theri government. To make sure this never happened in America, they gave citizens the right to have guns. They also said the government should fear it's citizens, not the other way around. So as a liberal (more libertarian though) I absolutely support this decision, and I'm worrried it was 5-4.

[Chaohinon]

Originally Posted by numba1stunna885

Compelling argument let me tell you, you sound quite intelligent. You know they sell meat at grocery stores nowadays, it is the 21st century and everything, so I don't give 2 shits what you do with your "game" you don't NEED to hunt....PERIOD. I'm sure you would just be so depressed if you couldn't go out in the woods and shoot an animal with your super powered arsenal, but I'm sure the millions of people who have lost loved ones to senseless gun crimes would find it sensible. It's idiots like yourself who think we need abide by the constitution word for word as if times haven't changed in 300 years and as if the world we live in hasn't been shattered by people shooting each other every day. So go ahead and enjoy having all your guns so you can avoid starving and all since we know you're one of those "purposeful" gun owners who try to justify having enough weaponry to take over Rhode Island. You sir are a complete moron and people like you with your contrived and stubborn line of thinking are part of the reason why our country is so messed up. Wake up and smell the coffee and read the papers.

I think you'll find that most "gun crimes" can be traced to people with black market ownership. Legitimate gun ownership contributes to public safety more often than anything else, and has even been the saving grace of many police officers who find themselves in a bind.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=975

The truth about gun laws follows the same pattern as drugs and prostitution. All illegalization does is give an advantage to criminals.