Downloading/sharing music = Ticket sales...?

[Floydian]

I was just pondering this.

Whilst I've never heard much about the exact amount of money filesharing .mp3s/pirating, etc. takes out of Musicians pockets... Would it seem to any of you ninjas that more people being able to listen to more of the bands songs, at whatever expense, would increase the amount of people who would want to go see their show/get more in to the band in general?

Shouldn't it balance out, even if they don't buy many CDs, that they'll go to shows, buy merch, etc...?

Just my thoughts.

[Chaohinon]

Downloading doesn't take any money out of the artists' pockets, their record labels do.

[blueend]

Originally Posted by Chaohinon

Downloading doesn't take any money out of the artists' pockets, their record labels do.

if they take a percentage of the sales it does take money out of their pockets..

[Floydian]

Quite, but regardless of the amount; Do you guys think the above-average amount of people having access to the matieral, would increase the ticket/merch sales?

And then, would the increase be enough to cancel out any lost from decreased album sales?

[ipack]

Originally Posted by Chaohinon

Downloading doesn't take any money out of the artists' pockets, their record labels do.

ex-fuckin-actly

Also

Instead of adapting and changing with the times, the record labels stubbornly clung to the CD (can't really blame them, it was a huge cash cow). They chose to go gestapo like, first on the filesharing networks as a whole. When that didn't stop people, they chose to "make an example" of individuals by sending nasty cease and desist letters, and then taking them to court. This hasn't worked either. At what point will they give up? or at least back down?

edit: to answer your question, I don't think it makes up completely for lost record sales.. certainly a portion though. What's sad is that in addition to the often middle class victims of filesharing settlements and cases, the recording artists also suffer due to the RIAAs complete lack of foresight and vision on the digital music age

[JoshRyche]

As far as I know bands get pennies off each album sale granted it adds up most the money goes into the marketing of the album and the production followed by the rest going into the pockets of the record company's.

I don't see file sharing as a bad thing for artist to be honest, I'm broke I wont buy music and I never will its a bullshit expense in my opinion. Most artist money (From what I know) Comes from shows, I go to shows I support the bands. I couldn't support them if I didn't download their music to see if they interest me.

Shows aren't cheap in general and most the time I have to travel my ass off to go to one (4 bucks a gallon) ontop of ridiculously high ticket prices BUT don't artist make most their money off the shows? I see this as more support than buying an Album and I don't mind shelling out 50-100 bucks for a night of entertainment.



What I wander is wouldn't a real artist, someone who really truly cares about the music just be happy that they are being heard? I know everyone needs to make a buck but what ever happened to passion for your art? *Cough* Metalica *Cough*

[Chaohinon]

Originally Posted by blueend

if they take a percentage of the sales it does take money out of their pockets..

Oh shit, a dollar per CD. Metallica and Britney Spears will have to roll back their candy bar budgets.

[Floydian]

Awesome.

Read the part of the title AFTER the =.

kThxbai.

[blueend]

Originally Posted by Chaohinon

Oh shit, a dollar per CD. Metallica and Britney Spears will have to roll back their candy bar budgets.

probably...i also have to agree that most money they make is from concerts..and i pay enough in concerts so a little sharing isnt that bad.. if i had to buy all the music i have i would have to sale my car ,my house...maybe a kidney too...
a lot of artists also sell theirs albums through their site.and they give it for less miney than the record shops give it.

[rumandromanism]

Most well-known bands that you see live still are being enslaved by corporations. Have you guys heard of Live Nation? Check it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_nation

Live Nation NYSE: LYV is a live events company based in Beverly Hills, California. Live Nation formed in 2005 by a spin-off from Clear Channel Communications. The present CEO of the company is Michael Rapino.

In 2005, Live Nation promoted or produced over 28,500 events, including music concerts, theatrical shows, specialized motor sports and other events, with total attendance exceeding 61 million. As of September 30, 2005, Live Nation owned or operated 117 venues, consisting of 75 US and 42 international venues. These venues include 39 amphitheaters, 58 theaters, 14 clubs, 4 arenas and 2 festival sites. In addition, through equity, booking or similar arrangements Live Nation has the right to book events at 33 additional venues

They own many of the venues in NYC that mainstream "indie" rock bands play at, which makes me laugh. The irony of it all. Well, the day they get their nose into underground jazz clubs will be their downfall.

[thesoftparade]

it's funny ,the fact that artists/ record companies get mad over people downloading proves that they're only in it for the money. if they were true artists they would be happy that so many people listen to their music, not how much money they're making. its just like the south park episode, instead of getting a gold plated shark tank bar next to their pools they have to wait a month. even with music downloads, they're still making more than enough money to make a living.

[Durchii]

To answer your original question Floydian (), yes, I do believe higher accesability and exposure to a band's music will, and has, provided greater ticket sales to artists that are already fairly well-known as it is.

The problem with this is, most of these bands are already running sold out shows in practically every city they hit, so I highly doubt it's a concern. Unless you're keeping up with the independent music scene, you'll more than likely be missing out on a lot of up-and-coming artists that really do need ticket sales.

This could be speculation or just mid-morning rambling. Take your pick.

[skatealex2]

Alot of indie bands promote illegal downloading cause it gets their shows more popular and cause they're not making music for the same reasons shitty mainstream bands are. also online downloading causes hype when the band is good. for example last year the arcade fire's album neon bible leaked and that album even with it being on an indie label got no.2 i think in the billaboards. I personally never buy albums from labels (mainstream)that are part of the RIAA (the fuckers who try to make money off people illegaly downloading). I do support indie labels though cause from what I understand most of the good ones split the profits with the artists

[scoobydooby67]

the thing is, when a newly signed band hits the road, they are already well well deep into the record company's debt,

thats why they are touring, to pay off what they owe the record label.

why would you want to hinder a new bands income just cuz you dont wanna pay a few bucks for their album.

fucking selfish.

the rolling stones, aerosmith, etc. can handle illegal downloading,

the newly budding bands cant.

dont be selfish, support your artist.

[Durchii]

Originally Posted by skatealex2

Alot of indie bands promote illegal downloading cause it gets their shows more popular and cause they're not making music for the same reasons shitty mainstream bands are. also online downloading causes hype when the band is good. for example last year the arcade fire's album neon bible leaked and that album even with it being on an indie label got no.2 i think in the billaboards. I personally never buy albums from labels (mainstream)that are part of the RIAA (the fuckers who try to make money off people illegaly downloading). I do support indie labels though cause from what I understand most of the good ones split the profits with the artists

Yep, exactly.

There was a band that broke up a few years back (forgive me, because I can't rememeber the name) that released their album free to the first 100,000 or 200,000 people that requested one on their website. The reason for this, so they said, was because they made so much money doing their live shows that they couldn't care less about CD sales.