The Official Codex Alimentarius Discussion Thread

[Salvial]

Disclaimer: If in some ridiculous way you find a way to file this under "Conspiracist Paranoia" in your head, then you've officially drank far too much fluoride (which btw, lowers iq, and as demonstrated through experiments experiments lowers motivation [1] ever wonder why the major active ingredient in Prozac is a fluoride ion?). This, my friends, is all well documented FACTS that should SCARE THE SHIT out of you, and cause you to get off your asses (or your porn) and write an email to your congressman to inform him with all the information you learn in this thread!

So let's begin.

I know that most of you are completely unaware of CA, I was glad to see, however that quite a few members (Digit and Negligent to name a couple) were aware.




What is Codex Alimentarius?

Well, let's hear it from the horse's mouth:

The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme.
- http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

Codex Alimentarius is one BIG bureaucracy. And like any Big Business it paints a pretty light palate bearing website to front it. Marketing is a big part of business, after all.




Why is it Such a Big Deal?

Well, let's make a brief list:

- Dietary supplements could not be sold for preventive (prophylactic) or therapeutic use.
- Potencies would be limited to extremely low dosages. Only the drug companies and the big phytopharmaceutical companies would have the right to produce and sell the higher potency products (at inflated prices).
- Prescriptions would be required for anything above the extremely low doses allowed (such as 35 mg. on niacin).
- Common foods such as garlic and peppermint would be classified as drugs or a third category (neither food nor drugs) that only big pharmaceutical companies could regulate and sell. Any food with any therapeutic effect can be considered a drug, even benign everyday substances like water.
- Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding (escape clauses would be eliminated).
- All new dietary supplements would be banned unless they go through Codex testing and approval.
- Genetically altered food would be sold worldwide without labeling.
- All animals bred for food will be treated with growth hormones.
- 7 of the 9 MOST DANGEROUS used chemicals, most of which TOXIC PESTICIDES [2], will be legalized and allowed for use by farmers.

Research this, research this, research this, research this.... got it?

Email your congress for Christ's sake, stop drinking the water!


The TESTIMONY!

[1] FLUORIDE when ingested, is filtered by our kidneys and other organs. Fine particles pass through our entire system via our blood. In the brain are found fine blood vessels, capillaries and a delicate nerve centre. FLUORIDE particles are caught in these fine nerves, and interfere with normal brain functions, slowing the capacity to think and operate properly (Alzheimer's disease). Also, the skin absorbs these poisons while bathing/showering; especially swimming in CHLORINATED swimming pools.

Eugene Dennis, once National Chairman of the Communist Party USA, stated, "By using FLUORIDATED water in their prison camps in Russia, they were able to control a larger amount of prisoners with less guards. If they could get the American public to FLUORIDATE their water, it would keep them docile for a steady encroachment of Communism."

COUNTRIES since FLUORIDATED (and %):- Australia and NZ 66%, USA, Canada and Ireland 50%...! These very countries have enjoyed peace without Communism (Ireland is another story), but now this Pagan, Communistic United Nations is fast gaining control in these once free countries.

NOTE: most of Europe has thrown out FLUORIDE as it has had detrimental effects on peoples health.

http://www.itwillpass.com/health_flu...ng_facts.shtml

[2] http://www.organicconsumers.org/food...ides050405.cfm

[Salvial]

Once more, this thread is for intelligent discussion of Codex Alimentarius. This includes political and fiscal motivation, possible conspiracies, and solutions. Criticism instilled in many of you will be addressed, however I will not be addressing any typical "tinfoil hat" apprehensiveness, and I ask that the rest of you do not either which should result in a much more civilized and productive thread.

[xXMelkorXx]

great stuff salvial..im just ready and waiting for civil war..cause you know that even though america has become a complacent and lazy country..we are still rebels at heart, and we would attempt to protect ourselves. writing your congressman doesnt do a thing but waste trees (well if we used hemp paper who cares, but NO we have to use the plants that give us the oxygen we need to breathe)

and I better not hear from a stoner that its okay to use trees instead of hemp.

[xXMelkorXx]

Originally Posted by Salvial

Once more, this thread is for intelligent discussion of Codex Alimentarius. This includes political and fiscal motivation, possible conspiracies, and solutions. Criticism instilled in many of you will be addressed, however I will not be addressing any typical "tinfoil hat" apprehensiveness, and I ask that the rest of you do not either which should result in a much more civilized and productive thread.

Yes. Seriously make a seperate thread to talk about our weirdness. Im with you on this one dude. No more wool over my eyes about anything. Research your own knowledge.

[Salvial]

Originally Posted by xXMelkorXx

Writing your congressman doesnt do a thing

A cool thing about congress, is that they run on something like a 13000:1 ratio. For every one email, fax, etc. they receive, they assume there's 12999 citizens who are too lazy to write a letter but feel the same way. We HAVE to use this to our advantage.

[BurnOutYeah!]

What is the lethal toxicity of Fluoride?

wait, I think i just found it...

Originally Posted by www.fluoridation.com/poison.htm

SUMMARY: The death of a 41-year-old male and the illness of approximately 296 others on May 21-23, 1992, in Hooper Bay Alaska has been shown to be due to acute fluoride intoxication caused by malfunction of the fluoridation equipment of system 1 of the village’s two-system (well) water supply. Fluoride levels were reported to be as high as 150 ppm.

The "Final Report" prepared by the Section of Epidemiology, Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) and the US Public Health Service (USPHS) is dated April 12, 1993. This document shows that gastro-intestinal symptoms were predominant. The investigators "suggest" that the minimum lethal dose for fluoride, when consumed by humans over 24-32 hours, is 20 mg/kg. This is higher than the "probably toxic dose" of 5 mg/kg calculated for a single ingestion (Whitford 1989). Serum half life of 3.5 hours of the hospitalized patient was within the range previously reported (Ekstrand et al 1980). However, the recovery time of 19 days for plasma fluoride and systemic toxicity was longer than previously reported (Heifetz and Horowitz 1986). The level of dose causing illness, 0.3 mg/kg, was 27 times lower than the dose previously reported; for example, the "maximum safely tolerated dose" of 8.0 mg/kg (Heifetz and Horowitz 1986).

The final report cites a number of reasons for the system failure. These include human error, mechanical failure, lack of safety features and failure to comply with regulations.

The report recommends re-affirmation of fluoridation by the Alaska Division of Public Health; the determination by USPHS and DEC that operational safety features are in place; and, that DEC should ensure compliance with regulations.

This is a very scary thread.

[bllu-urth420]

I legally have to take a pill containing fluoridic compounds.

[Salvial]

Originally Posted by bllu-urth420

I legally have to take a pill containing fluoridic compounds.

That's fucked man. What pill?

[xXMelkorXx]

Originally Posted by bllu-urth420

I legally have to take a pill containing fluoridic compounds.

court ordered? and what.."anti-psycotics"..

all anti drugs do nothing but bring about what they are trying to prevent

[4ction]

I posted about this on imminst.org a while back also:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.p...x+Alimentarius

From one of the posters:
" "Why won't these Guidelines restrict U.S. consumers' access to vitamin and mineral supplements?

Some consumers mistakenly believe that with the adoption of the Guidelines on Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements, the U.S. is required to automatically change its laws and regulations to comply with the international standard. Some have expressed concerns that the World Trade Organization (WTO) and its trade dispute settlement panels may place pressure on the U.S. to change its laws because of international trade agreements such as the Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS Agreement), which references Codex as the international organization for food safety standards.

We see no basis for these concerns. First, the DSHEA covers a much broader range of dietary supplements than the vitamin and mineral supplements that are the subject of the Codex Guidelines. Moreover, for supplements covered by these Guidelines, we note the following:

* The SPS Agreement does not require a country to adopt any international standard. Rather, the SPS Agreement provides that members may base their Sanitary and Phytosanitary measures either on international standards, guidelines or recommendations, where they exist, or may establish measures that result in a higher level of protection if there is a scientific justification, or if a country determines it to be appropriate in accord with provisions of the SPS Agreement (SPS Agreement, Article 3(1) and (3)).
* WTO and WTO dispute panels do not have the power to change U.S. law. If a WTO decision in response to a dispute settlement panel is adverse to the U.S., only Congress and the Administration can decide whether to implement the panel recommendation, and, if so, how to implement it.
* For dietary supplements, it is unlikely that another country will accuse the U.S. of imposing a trade barrier for the importation of supplement products into the U.S. marketplace because the U.S. laws and regulations are generally broader in scope and less restrictive than the international standard.
* However, other countries with more restrictive laws and regulations for dietary supplement products than the U.S. may create trade barriers to the importation of products manufactured by the U.S. dietary supplement industry. Thus, the U.S. government's involvement in the setting of international standards can help minimize the potential of trade barriers to U.S products in international trade.

Further, there is no basis for the concern that the Codex Guidelines on Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements would require dietary supplements be sold as prescription drugs in the United States. First, there is nothing in the Guidelines that suggests that supplements be sold as drugs requiring a prescription. Second, U.S. regulatory agencies are bound by the laws established by Congress, not by Codex standards. Third, because of our generally less restrictive standards, it is unlikely that the trade dispute would be brought against the U.S.

In summary, U.S. consumers' access to a broad array of dietary supplements under DSHEA would not be changed in any way by Codex's adoption of guidelines on vitamin and mineral food supplements."

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscodex.html"

Also, Scientific American had a really good article about fluoride and its health effects... basically they said we should lower our fluoride intake, but we also shouldn't be super worried about it. I'll read it again and post some updates
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...ts-on-fluoride

[4ction]

ok this concerns me much, much more than the excess fluoride in our water supply:

"A vast array of pharmaceuticals — including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones — have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/.../pharmawater_i

So I guess most of us are drinking fluoride + low dose pharmaceuticals on a daily basis. I know that many bottled waters use tap water, so bottled water isn't necessarily better either.

[Salvial]

The thing about DSHEA is that even at the time of the video, she states that there was about 5 bills in congress to render it obsolete. And the UN will put enormous pressure on the United States, Canada, and other countries to "harmonize" with their standards.

[negligent]

this is set to go into effect december 2009

i personally will be growing my own fruits and vegetables to survive from, since all the foods will be genetically altered to contain near non existent amounts of nutrition


for those who are wondering, the purpose of codex alimentarius is to reduce the population from around 6billion to something like 500,000

and with the lowered population, it will be much more difficult for the population to revolt, and the new world order will come into effect, we need to act soon, but by the time people realize this isnt some conspiracy theory it will be too late and billions will have died of starvation and preventable illness

i really wish america would wake the fuck up! but they just wont, everyone is still under the delusion that america is the greatest country in the world that honestly cares about its citizens.. although other countries may not have all the so called freedoms we have (such as the useless freedom of religion, boo hoo) at least their government isnt conspiring to kill them off in their quest for world domination

[DemonChild]

Originally Posted by xXMelkorXx

great stuff salvial..im just ready and waiting for civil war..cause you know that even though america has become a complacent and lazy country..we are still rebels at heart, and we would attempt to protect ourselves. writing your congressman doesnt do a thing but waste trees (well if we used hemp paper who cares, but NO we have to use the plants that give us the oxygen we need to breathe)

and I better not hear from a stoner that its okay to use trees instead of hemp.

I'm not saying we should use trees for paper, But oxygen production is the wrong reason to make the switch, The amount of oxygen an acre of hemp would produce is larger than the acre of trees. New growth trees between a year and 15 years old would produce more oxygen and if the loggers planted one tree per one removed they would also be a renewable resource for paper as well.

BUT the chemical process to turn wood into paper is much more damaging to the earth than the chemical process for turning hemp into paper. (this is also why recycling paper is a bad idea.)