The Official " FUCK RON PAUL " Thread

[dick_cheney]

Originally Posted by Hashmouf

That's what most people just do not seem to understand, look back at the long history of of the presidency how many modern presidents acted on their claims after they were elected into office?????

none!

[thesoftparade]

Ron Paul isn't about legalizing pot, he's about the libertarian movement. libertarian is the way a coutry should be run

[Phloydrix]

Originally Posted by rumandromanism

Not "every canditate" makes such outlandish promises on the campaign trail. There are always lies, but there is no logical way that RP can achieve even a 1/3rd of his claims. Like AK said,

Eh I'd rather vote for someone who I think has the best ideas, even if they are not likely to get accomplished, I don't see your argument as being much of a deterent to voters. But anyways, I won't argue this any further since RP isn't getting my vote.

[wahman]

Originally Posted by John Galt

Completely understandable how you wouldn't trust a politician, but I think you should read up on him some more. He is with out a doubt the most (only?) honest man in Washington. This isn't "propaganda", he has the voting record to back up everything he says. I would still vote for him even if he wasn't for legalizing marijuana. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

In his 20 years in Congress:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
Has repeatedly voted against the War on Drugs

Plus, he authored and introduced a bill to Congress which would make hemp farming legal. This guys the real deal.'

Oh, and Marc Emory announced yesterday he is putting a Ron Paul ad on the front cover of the January issue of Cannabis Culture.

He has never voted to raise taxes.

Yes, but don't you people understand taxes help us? we pay taxes, for the benefit of the nation. We need to better things, we can't just say fuck it and let it go. Research, costs money, now for medical marijuana users, cuts on taxes means less money for research to benefit them. Students, tax money is there to help you too.

"I want to abolish the unconstitutional, wasteful Department of Education." -Ron Paul

He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
well for some this may be great, but this is not a universally accepted positive thing. I personally don't like hearing gun shots at 3 in the morning. Hell if I know how so many people around here got guns.

He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
well thank god, but I assure you he is not the only one. haha

Now sure, he is against the war on drugs. yay for him. but that doesn't outdo the bad.

not even close

lets start with the fact that he accepts donations from freakin neo-nazis.

lets move on to health care. make it all business right? how about no?

he voted no on quite a few things including the funding same-sex adoption. (that is one of those things you might agree with, but just as supporters don't like gun control, I don't like that kids can't find good adoptive parents)

I like net neutrality actually. there ya go.

against raising minimum wage? what kinda shit is that?

get rid of Food and Drug Administration? what kind of idiot thinks that's a good idea. Yeah ever read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Yeah, and I really don't think I trust

I'm done, I could go on but I am tired of thinking about this crap. Ron Paul, scares me. How will he BENEFIT us. enlighten me.

[Rhythm of Life]

Originally Posted by rumandromanism

Even if Ron Paul miraculously got elected, he will never be able to enact all of his promises. For one, this is a democracy, not an autocracy. Paul just can't simply pull out of the UN and cancel the IRS. All of his campaign sweet-talk will be worth nothing because of the simple system of checks & balances.

Actually its not a democracy either. Its a Democratic Republic.

But anyways I still don't understand why this thread was started in the first place. Just so someone can unintelligently flame others opinions? This shit is pointless. Ron Paul is a great candidate because of his stances on important issues not just marijuana. But lets be honest here, HE WILL NOT WIN. Why? We use an electoral college instead of the popular vote. If we elected presidents by the popular vote he might have a chance but we don't so he doesn't. Everyone go vote for someone who might actually win like Obama.

[Raised Fist]

Originally Posted by wahman

He has never voted to raise taxes.

Yes, but don't you people understand taxes help us? we pay taxes, for the benefit of the nation. We need to better things, we can't just say fuck it and let it go. Research, costs money, now for medical marijuana users, cuts on taxes means less money for research to benefit them. Students, tax money is there to help you too.

Yeah, but a lot of the taxes we pay are bullshit. We pay to fund programs that don't use the money correctly. And yeah, sorry, I don't want my money going to some asshole who doesn't have a job. I work for my money, I'd like to keep it.

Originally Posted by "http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002b.htm

From the Great Depression, to the stagflation of the seventies, to the burst of the dotcom bubble last year, every economic downturn suffered by the country over the last 80 years can be traced to Federal Reserve policy. The Fed has followed a consistent policy of flooding the economy with easy money, leading to a misallocation of resources and an artificial "boom" followed by a recession or depression when the Fed-created bubble bursts.

With a stable currency, American exporters will no longer be held hostage to an erratic monetary policy. Stabilizing the currency will also give Americans new incentives to save as they will no longer have to fear inflation eroding their savings. Those members concerned about increasing America's exports or the low rate of savings should be enthusiastic supporters of this legislation.

Though the Federal Reserve policy harms the average American, it benefits those in a position to take advantage of the cycles in monetary policy. The main beneficiaries are those who receive access to artificially inflated money and/or credit before the inflationary effects of the policy impact the entire economy. Federal Reserve policies also benefit big spending politicians who use the inflated currency created by the Fed to hide the true costs of the welfare-warfare state. It is time for Congress to put the interests of the American people ahead of the special interests and their own appetite for big government.

He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
well thank god, but I assure you he is not the only one. haha

Now sure, he is against the war on drugs. yay for him. but that doesn't outdo the bad.

not even close

So what if he isn't the only one? HE'S RUNNING FOR FUCKING PRESIDENT, thats why it actually means something.

lets start with the fact that he accepts donations from freakin neo-nazis.

Let me start by saying do you do any research into things? Then you'd realize it was a $500 dollar donation from one neo-nazi. So is he supposed to scan through who donates money to him?

Better yet, you fail to realize that maybe that neo-nazi shares some views with him? OH NO. Shit, I think Hitler was right to believe Germany got the shaft at the end of WW1, does that mean I hate jews? NO.

Better yet, Ron Paul's response to the whole ordeal was he'd rather take the guy's money, so he can't spend it on his white power beliefs.

lets move on to health care. make it all business right? how about no?

So we make it federal? SWEET, I really want to pay for OTHER people's health! Private sector will drive down prices with competition.

he voted no on quite a few things including the funding same-sex adoption. (that is one of those things you might agree with, but just as supporters don't like gun control, I don't like that kids can't find good adoptive parents)

Probably because he feels taxpayer's shouldn't have to use their money to pay for it? I'd like more details.

against raising minimum wage? what kinda shit is that?

When minimum wage goes up, so does unemployment. You think congress using a pen to say "People make more money!" fixes the problem?

Maybe if we didn't have so godamn many taxes we'd be happier with lower income?

get rid of Food and Drug Administration? what kind of idiot thinks that's a good idea. Yeah ever read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Yeah, and I really don't think I trust

I'd take a look at the FDA's record since it was created. You know how much toxic shit slipped through, while safe products are put under the mircroscope? The FDA and Big Business go hand in hand.


And why is there so many people who only support him cause of his stance on the drug war? Oh holy shit, we are on a marijuana messageboard. No shit.

[Phloydrix]

Originally Posted by Raised Fist

Yeah, but a lot of the taxes we pay are bullshit. We pay to fund programs that don't use the money correctly. And yeah, sorry, I don't want my money going to some asshole who doesn't have a job. I work for my money, I'd like to keep it.

Some gov agencies don't spend taxpayer money wisely, but that doesn't necessarily mean the agency should be scrapped, it can be amended. Gov agencies are created in the first place because there is a problem to be solved that the free market isn't taking care of by itself.

So what if he isn't the only one? HE'S RUNNING FOR FUCKING PRESIDENT, thats why it actually means something.

But he's not the only anti drug war candidate running for president was the other posters point...

So we make it federal? SWEET, I really want to pay for OTHER people's health! Private sector will drive down prices with competition.

You already do that in a sense anways. 80% of the money that goes to healthcare pays for 20% of the patients, and those 20% are the reason everything is so expensive. If healthcare became completely privatized would still be very expensive (we do have the most privatized healthcare of any first world country) and people who couldn't afford operations would be kicked to the curb. Universal healthcare works, and providing this necessity is a moral obligation a government owes to its citizens.

When minimum wage goes up, so does unemployment.

Do you have any data to support this? Minimum wage was implemented because the free market can be abused and many factory owners were able to get away with paying their workers shit wages for working 16 hour shifts. These regulations were put in place for a good reason, we shouldn't get rid of them. We've seen what happens without them.

I'd take a look at the FDA's record since it was created. You know how much toxic shit slipped through, while safe products are put under the mircroscope? The FDA and Big Business go hand in hand.

FDA isn't perfect, but it's better than having no FDA. Can you imagne what type of dangerous shit the pharmaceutical industry would be flooding the market with if there was no one to keep them in check? Haven't you heard news stories about how the FDA prevented so-and-so from releasing a new pill because of the dangerous side effects? You would really be comfortable with these companies being allowed to sell any type of pill they want? Before the FDA was invented, there was plenty of meat with diseases and other nasty shit in it that made people sick. The free market does not provide enough incentive to deter drug companies from taking dangerous shortcuts; government intervention is necessary.

And why is there so many people who only support him cause of his stance on the drug war? Oh holy shit, we are on a marijuana messageboard. No shit.

Just because there's an obvious reason for it, that doesn't excuse the stupidity of it.

[cackpircings]

I wish I had more time to argue this! Ron might not win but understand that he does have the support of most vets like me (as much of you know from reading other post) I’m so tired of pushing this and trying to educate people on what is right and wrong. DO what you people are going to do. If this forum is still up in two years, and isn’t taken away because the new president enforces the patriot act to affect us more, I will say see I told you so THE SAME OL BULL SHIT! “I’m going to vote for him because he is black and cool” “I am going to vote for her because I want to see what its like to have a woman president”? Get fucking married! Then you will see what its like! Good lick I’m out!

[aaronman]

Anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul yet needs to WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Watch this, we are SCREWED if you elect a Democrat or Republican other than RP!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u...com/node/23862

[MWTBDLTR]

These threads are destined to fail.

[TheDudeAbides]

You guys act like he's out there, winning primaries. There are snomen in hell who stand a better chance then ron paul becoming the next president. And i like ron paul for the most part, because i'm liberterian as hell! the IRS fucks me so hard, i bust ass for every cent of my check and uncle sam even wants a piece of my TIPS! Sure the Roe V Wade thing isnt my hat, but thats fine too. Lastly, we shouldnt be freaking out that neo-nazi's gave ron paul money, we should be freaking out if they gave barack obama money. Now i'd watch that CNN story.

[Hashmouf]

Hahahaha Dont say I didn't tell you Ron Paul will never be president, point proven.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Hashmouf

Hahahaha Dont say I didn't tell you Ron Paul will never be president, point proven.

You are clown shoes.

[Hashmouf]

Originally Posted by aaronman

You are clown shoes.

You are bozo's sandals.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Hashmouf

You are bozo's sandals.

Ron Paul is one of the greatest politician (or worst) to ever run for President. He had no ties to special interest groups, and only wanted what was better for the people, better for the long run sustainability of this country.

You should be ashamed that you sought to slander his name, and for what? Seems like blind hatred to me...