Education Important!

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by Livingalife

Kinda sad, not too long ago was at a party and my friends lil brother who is still in high school had some friends there. I was telling them how its good to get good grades in school and such. Thats how I go to college and all and that if you don't do well in school you ain't gonna do that well in life unless you get lucky. So they started laughing and told me that high school is a joke. I kinda flipped out, told em I got a bunch of friends who skipped high school sold drugs and did alot of em and now they're working 7-12$ hour jobs and are broke as fuck all the time and that they regret it completely. They quited down a lil and I then proceeded to tell them school ain't a fucking joke and that if your gonna go, you my as well do something instead of stare at the wall.

Anyway it just pisses me off at how stupid some kids are. They were like 11th and 10th graders and still haven't figured out why they're in school. Even more sad their parents never informed them how important an education is. There are more important things of course but it is still important. This just shocks me. Around 45 people in my lifetime have said straight up do good in school and never be afraid to learn. What do yall think of this?

(Now don't get me wrong, I know there are some kids that live very poor and went to a bad school and live in bad neighborhoods. I'm not bashing them at all, i'm bashing the people who live in nice household and go to a decent school and think education is all a fucking joke)

The world doesn't move forward because of the stupid. They carry the torch, yeah, sure but remember somebody's gotta light that torch.

"I believe that education is the fundamental method of social progress and reform. All reforms which rest simply upon the law, or the threatening of certain penalties, or upon changes in mechanical or outward arrangements, are transitory and futile.... But through education society can formulate its own purposes, can organize its own means and resources, and thus shape itself with definiteness and economy in the direction in which it wishes to move.... Education thus conceived marks the most perfect and intimate union of science and art conceivable in human experience."

~John Dewey~

Stay green.

[Azimuthal]

I fuckin love school, I've been at it so long that they started paying me. It's a great, school smokes me up, I learn, win/win.

Originally Posted by TokingToker

Sooo..

Do you want to tell me how

Math
Gym
Language arts
Science
History


Is going to help me get my certifications for computers?

Fuck no, you can't.

Yeah, I know, highschool, it's important. But what if kids are uninterested in what they learn? Really what average kid wants to read Romeo & Juliet, and other dumb shit like that. This world would be better if we had choices.

Choose to pay your dues or not, there's your choice. You think I want to pay a kid who's too lazy to read a 200pg book to fix my fucking computers? You can kill that in an afternoon. You need to show that you can get a fucking work ethic on.

Everything you learn in class is a tool, that's the shit you need to build a house. Sure, they have a bunch of stupid names, but it's a good book.

[TokingToker]

Originally Posted by Azimuthal

I fuckin love school, I've been at it so long that they started paying me. It's a great, school smokes me up, I learn, win/win.



Choose to pay your dues or not, there's your choice. You think I want to pay a kid who's too lazy to read a 200pg book to fix my fucking computers? You can kill that in an afternoon. You need to show that you can get a fucking work ethic on.

Everything you learn in class is a tool, that's the shit you need to build a house. Sure, they have a bunch of stupid names, but it's a good book.

You think I'm going to sit and read a 200pg book when I learned alot of shit on my own? They didn't have classes for that back then, but now they do, I'm taking that class, and I already know everything this guy is questioning.

So what if I don't want to learn about Julius Cesar and I fail a class, does that mean I'm a fucking retard? Of course not. Thank you Julius Cesar for everything you did, you made my life so much better. Same thing applies to other classes, I don't want to learn shit I'm not going to use in my life. Now if it was a different case where it would be IMPORTANT to learn I would try to learn it.

The education systems in America are retarded.

[Azimuthal]

That's great that your learned about caesar and all that, probably not going to help with your computation certificate either. Have you learned how to read a 200 pg book that you don't want to read yet?

[amsterdamage]

Originally Posted by Livingalife

Around 45 people in my lifetime have said straight up do good in school and never be afraid to learn. What do yall think of this?

Agree 100%. The days when people could lead ok lives doing manual labor jobs are over. At the very least a degree gives people a common language to communicate with. Without it you can't know what everyone else is talking about.

I've lived without a degree and I've lived with one. There is no question, with a degree you live, without one you exist.

[junkiedays]

Originally Posted by amsterdamage

There is no question, with a degree you live, without one you exist.

True as it may be, that is such a miserable way to do things.

People in this country don't focus on getting an education for the sole reason of getting an education anymore. It's all about getting educated so you can get a good job so you can make lots of money.

People always act as if those without career goals don't have life goals in general. Personally, I'd rather focus on the important things in life instead of absorbing myself into a career. Job does not equal life. It's just the way in which we choose to get by.

[goro the puffer]

Originally Posted by TokingToker

You think I'm going to sit and read a 200pg book when I learned alot of shit on my own? They didn't have classes for that back then, but now they do, I'm taking that class, and I already know everything this guy is questioning.

So what if I don't want to learn about Julius Cesar and I fail a class, does that mean I'm a fucking retard? Of course not. Thank you Julius Cesar for everything you did, you made my life so much better. Same thing applies to other classes, I don't want to learn shit I'm not going to use in my life. Now if it was a different case where it would be IMPORTANT to learn I would try to learn it.

The education systems in America are retarded.

Julius Caesar is the most renown emperor of Rome where Latin originated.
Latin makes up 70% of the English Language.

That's enough for me.

[goro the puffer]

Originally Posted by junkiedays

True as it may be, that is such a miserable way to do things.

People in this country don't focus on getting an education for the sole reason of getting an education anymore. It's all about getting educated so you can get a good job so you can make lots of money.

Who says that?

I am getting an education up til I have Dr. in front of my name because I want to know all that I need to know in order to make progress in my field (physics, frankly its quite complex).

[CosmicSerpent]

The problem is that most high school students don't have a realistic perception of the world. From birth everything is given to us, and therefore very few kids understand the value of money and getting a good education. I think parents should give their kids more responsibility at an early age. Let them fully understand that their actions now determine the outcome of the rest of their lives.

When I was in high school, I didn't give a shit about grades... I rarely did homework, never studied at all, and got by basically because I'm a fairly intelligent person and can bullshit my way through easy work. I never made awesome grades, but never failed... I had no motivation to do better. I went to the only college I got accepted to, and I have friends who didn't even try to get into college.

When I came to college, it was an entirely different story. If I had worked half as hard in high school as I do in college, I probably would have had straight A's or close to it. College forces you to either do well or get kicked out. No one tries to baby you and help you along the way, it's completely up to you if you want to succeed. I think if high schools started integrating this kind of teaching, we would see kids more motivated to learn. I think they would also benefit from having more specialized learning early on, instead of just having a general education. Maybe have some form of major or concentration in high school, so that kids are more interested in what they're learning. Ultimately though, it's up to parents to teach their children the value of getting a good education.

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by TokingToker

Yeah, I know, highschool, it's important. But what if kids are uninterested in what they learn? Really what average kid wants to read Romeo & Juliet, and other dumb shit like that. This world would be better if we had choices.

I think of high school as more of an introduction than anything else. It gave you the chance to read Romeo & Juliet and decide for yourself whether it was "dumb shit" or an important piece of literature. How do you know you aren't going to like something until you give it a try? High school is like someone saying "hey, here's some basic information about a variety of subjects, so you can decide what you want to do." You can either completely blow everything off and not try to better yourself with what you have, or you can get a little bit out of it and decide what you want to do with your life. Whether you barely graduate or work your ass off, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. I do agree that we should have more specialized education early on though.

Originally Posted by OhFuhQ

so your saying you are a negative person if you didnt stick at school?, im a HS drop-out, ive been looked down upon and it has been used against me, but middle finger to em all, fuck em.

im perfectly happy NOT talking about how shitty my job is and how i cant catch a break from work, or i cant hang out with friends because i have too much to do, i get money & i survive, i can eat/drink/clothe/wash myself AND enjoy life, once i get this job ill have all the money i need,

People seem to have the idea that getting a good education means that the rest of your life is going to be consumed by a career you dislike. To me, it's the complete opposite. I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I'm in college is because I don't want to be stuck with a job related to something I'm completely uninterested in. By being able to declare a major and specialize what you're learning, you're giving yourself the oppurtunity to get a job you really enjoy. You say you don't want to talk about how shitty your job is, but you admit that you need it in order to have money and survive. Well I'd rather have a job that I enjoy rather than having one simply for money/survival. And in our society unless you get a good education, it's virtually impossible to have a job you enjoy. Unless you enjoy flipping burgers, cleaning up after people, and performing manual labor. (I realize there are exceptions.)

Originally Posted by junkiedays

People in this country don't focus on getting an education for the sole reason of getting an education anymore. It's all about getting educated so you can get a good job so you can make lots of money.

People always act as if those without career goals don't have life goals in general. Personally, I'd rather focus on the important things in life instead of absorbing myself into a career. Job does not equal life. It's just the way in which we choose to get by.

I think we can agree that it's important to enjoy our lives. So why not have a job that you at least somewhat enjoy rather than being stuck with one that totally sucks? Unless you're homeless or independently wealthy, you're probably going to spend a large amount of your life working. I'd rather make that time as enjoyable as possible, and therefore get a good education.

[Durchii]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

I think of high school as more of an introduction than anything else. It gave you the chance to read Romeo & Juliet and decide for yourself whether it was "dumb shit" or an important piece of literature. How do you know you aren't going to like something until you give it a try? High school is like someone saying "hey, here's some basic information about a variety of subjects, so you can decide what you want to do." You can either completely blow everything off and not try to better yourself with what you have, or you can get a little bit out of it and decide what you want to do with your life. Whether you barely graduate or work your ass off, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. I do agree that we should have more specialized education early on though.

Wise words.

[Alphå]

The world needs idiots that don't appreciate knowledge. How else are we going to flip burgers? Surely if everyone was an intellectual they would not strive to do that (unless its in their retirement plan or something).

[Durchii]

Originally Posted by Alphå

The world needs idiots that don't appreciate knowledge. How else are we going to flip burgers? Surely if everyone was an intellectual they would not strive to do that (unless its in their retirement plan or something).

I would gladly front an expedition dedicated to producing food for the masses. We can rid ourselves of fast food all together? What's wrong with that?

[Livingalife]

Whatever anyone says, kids need to be aware that edcuation is important to an extent and that learning is fun. Also that you will be learning for the rest of your life. My dad was poor growing up, his dad died when he was 16 from a heart attack and his family was even poorer. On scholarship at a private school, made straight A's, his mother told him about education, and went to Vanderbilt and got a bachelors degree in History. He is now in the agriculture business and making great money. This is an example of why education is great. It can get you somewhere where you want to be. Some people have talents where they don' need education. I know a guy who is a millionaire and made it off construction when he went to school until the 8th grade. Nonetheless a great thing. Especially for poorer countries where there is crime and disease and constant birth. From my view we should learn things like algebra and science in the 8th grade instead of like 6th. I wasn't smart enough at the time to learn that. Got into high school and thought "damn" that was easy. College is difficult I will agree, best thing to do is do what you love and do it well. Or find where your talents are and pursue them there if your not interested in anything.

[Key2gb]

to educate your mind is one of the most important, if not the most important part of life...and school is a large part of that education...and mind is a terrible thing to waste, and though it is a cliche saying, it's cliche for a reason

if people dont want to be educated then they are missing out on the experiences this world has to offer us in our short time here...

school subjects are the building blocks for higher education...u could hate them, but in the end they only do you good, and education is not something to be taken for granted