Attn Americans: the government can now seize your property without notice!

[crasstastic]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

This executive order was issued on july 17, 2007 and yet no one knows about it; it hasn't been on the news, televised, anything. it was issued and nothing was said about it.

here's what all that legal jargon means:

If you donate money, goods, or services to an organization that the government says undermines our efforts to rebuild Iraq, the government can seize ALL of your property WITHOUT ANY NOTICE.

If you donate money to a humanitarian organization in iraq and the U.S. governement says that organization is undermining its own efforts, you could wake up one day with absolutely NOTHING.

and the very last section of this order:

<center>Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.</center>

what this means is: You cannot take any legal action against the government or anyone involved if this happens to you, even if they decide after taking everything you own, that they screwed up.

And FYI, this order doesn't go out of effect once George Bush leaves office, it stays in effect until a president stops the order, and the enforcers of this are government agencies, not the president. This means that even once Bush has left office, government agencies still have full power to seize your property!


Our freedom and civil liberties are being eroded before our very eyes and its not even some conspiracy theory or classified information or CIA secret operations bullshit. George Bush has enacted an UNCONSTITUTIONAL order, which violates the 4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[d-block305]

thats fucked up. im really questioning America nowadays

[mushroomsatsuji]

Does anyone else think we're heading for George Orwells 1984?

[Medicine Al]

Originally Posted by mushroomsatsuji

Does anyone else think we're heading for George Orwells 1984?

Heading for? You mean this isn't the sequel?

If this law is tested and confimed as constitutional by the Supreme Court, then we got us a real problem! And the fact it was signed on with so little fanfare, just sounds like the usual Big Bro approach. And since the court is packed with bushies and neocons, it will probably be upheld. Oh, well, nothing like a little more constitutional assault and battery, commited by the "felon who would be King".

[Boosh]

Everyone knows deep down that its becoming time to take up arms against the government. We gotta start fresh, this is fucking bullshit.

[cheebaa]

First the OP's interpretation is incorrect- read it for yourself

i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or
(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or

(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.

What are you all so worried about?

This is mainly for people they suspect of terrorism.

They are not just going to kick John & Jane Doe w/their kids out on the street- unless they think they're terrorists....

You know- they say fear keeps us from advancing- look at you all.

I'm not worried-
-Will this affect me one bit, NO.
-Will it most likely effect any of you, NO.
-Will it effect anyone you know, NO.

Get over it. There are still laws on the books that say you cannot throw pickle juice at a trolly.

My point is, there are a lot of stupid laws- and if we are going to be all worried and worked up over one because of an idiot president we should be mad at all the laws made before him as well.

I hate- and I stress this HATE Bush as much as the next guy, but I'm so sick of people over reacting to things he is putting in place that do no pertain to them.

O he's taking our liberties, our freedoms-

So has every president before this one, so has the majority of the law makers.

Yet you're still free arent you? You're comparing our society to 1984- yet look at the freedom you have, you are posting on a forum that is all about an illegal drug in the united states. Seems like free speach is still there, still seems like freedom is intact or we would all be busted right now.

Again- get over it.

Lifes to short to be pissed off

EDIT::

The OP's interpretation is WAY WAY WAY off BTW.

Stop crying wolf.

[crasstastic]

i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:


Iraq posed a significant risk of committing acts of violence against us and even had weapons of mass destruction...NOT.

And you're right, it probably won't effect anyone we know, but that doesn't mean it doesn't negatively effect innocent people. Did you know Cat Stevens (probably the biggest and most notorious terrorist of them all ) cannot fly in the U.S. because he's flagged as a terrorist?

If i trusted the government, I wouldn't be concerned about it, but I don't. Especially when it comes to issues of "terrorism" and the bullshit that goes on to "protect" us

and lastly, yes i know there are plenty of dumb laws...dumb laws that will never be enforced in this day and age. This one, however, will be enforced

[edit]: and just because every president has taken away some of our freedoms is that a justified reason to do nothing about it?

[What'sThatSmell]

Originally Posted by cheebaa

They are not just going to kick John & Jane Doe w/their kids out on the street- unless they think they're terrorists....

Thank God that the government never fouls up their judgment of who the terrorists are!

[LongIslandBlunt]

[quote=cheebaa;1792111.................Again- get over it.[/quote]

I agree with your outlook. Christ America, the freedom to whine and bitch just for the sake of it should get Americans deported to Iraq.

[cheebaa]

Originally Posted by crasstastic

i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:


Iraq posed a significant risk of committing acts of violence against us and even had weapons of mass destruction...NOT.

How dense are you? This executive order had abosolutly nothing to do with the reasons we invaded Iraq. You see those colons after that sentence?????

Nice to see you read the order before posting about it.

And you're right, it probably won't effect anyone we know, but that doesn't mean it doesn't negatively effect innocent people. Did you know Cat Stevens (probably the biggest and most notorious terrorist of them all ) cannot fly in the U.S. because he's flagged as a terrorist?

Again man, this act has NOTHING to do with the No fly list.

Check your info before stating facts- he is not on the No Fly list- it was a different name.

From Wiki:
On 1 October 2004 Yusuf Islam requested the removal of his name, "I remain bewildered by the decision of the US authorities to refuse me entry to the United States."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-26>[29]</SUP> According to a statement by Yusuf Islam, the man on the list was named "Youssef Islam", indicating that Yusuf Islam himself was not the suspected terrorism supporter.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-CNN2004_1>[17]</SUP> <SUP class=reference id=_ref-27>[30]</SUP>
<SUP></SUP>
<SUP></SUP>

Originally Posted by What'sThatSmell

Thank God that the government never fouls up their judgment of who the terrorists are!

So we want to hold ourselves to perfection?



Mistakes will be made.

Have you ever messed up at your job?

Lets hate everyone who messes up at their job!!!!

[Weebie]

^ It's the government. The head of our entire nation. They have a whole nation following their orders, they don't have room for mistakes made in their job. They've already made 10x as many mistakes as they should of. Fuck the government right now, a revelation is needed in the minds of the American citizens and in the white house as well.

[cheebaa]

^^

I'm not saying we should allow all mistakes, but people are pulling at every little thing that goes wrong right now because we all love to be known Bush haters.

Also the media does not help this whole situation- they perpetuate things and blow somethings out of proportion for ratings.

Get everyone pissed off and they want to know whats going on.

[Weebie]

Lol, not one word you said was a lie

But I still want to impeach Bush... Can't wait till the 08 elections!
Vote Ron Paul

[What'sThatSmell]

Originally Posted by cheebaa

So we want to hold ourselves to perfection?



Mistakes will be made.

Have you ever messed up at your job?

Lets hate everyone who messes up at their job!!!!

Go to a fucking airport and tell me you don't see the government discriminating against Muslims over 'security procedures'. You're telling me the government's stereotyping of an entire RACE wouldn't have any impact on their being evicted from their homes based on 'terrorist suspicion'?

Okay, buddy.

[cheebaa]

^^^

why because some people get searched??

I was searched going through an airport (last october), and I am white and as non threatening looking as can be haha. But if a muslim or middle eastern person gets searched it's stereotyping?

Does this mean I am going to lose my home and possesions- no, it means people were doing their jobs.

Sometimes I think people like to over react about things.

I do not think the government is going to be bashing in all muslims homes and dragging them out because of this act- and if you truely believe that, well its pretty rediculous.


EDIT::

About the search- I was upset that it happened, and I do think airport security is not being performed correctly- but it is what it is, and life is too short to be pissed off at stupid shit.

It was just a search......