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Old 07-07-2007, 05:25 AM
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I just relized the impact of MJ laws and the IMIDIATE need for change

So a while ago I posted about me getting into legal problems. Well because of this trouble I lost a close friend and girlfriend.

Well I talked to my ex tonight who has kept contact with my old friend and we got into a huge fight. Basically he has lost the trust of his family and is shunned by all who know him. I am responsible for this because I introduced him to weed. I thought he was mature enough but he wasn't.

Sorry my mind is filled with emotions right now and it is hard to get to what I am saying.

These fucking laws and sterio types about marijuana have ruined him. Everyone sees it as the death drug and will not change their mind. The love his parents had for him makes them act how they do because they fear for his well being. IE- Legal, health, ect... These negative ideas about weed have caused him to be out cast.

My ex who I was getting on better terms with just took a turn for the worst because we fought over legalization and how she though it was 100% my fault what happened to him and nothing to do with laws and ideas on weed.

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a: except i actually help him. instead of selling him drugs that will just ruin the relationship he doesn have even more.
a: but whatever whats done is done
Godf0ther:wow un called for
a: im sorry im still pissed about that.
a: but whatever its in the past
a: there were alot of unsettled issues i guess.
Godf0ther:1.st i did help him work through things
a: and you always seem to catch me in the roughest of times.
a: im sure you did.
a: you just sort of ruined it by giving him drugs
a: not saying its all your fault
a: because it was his decision
a: but you coudhave stopped ut
a: *it
a: not that it was even your responsibility

He was selling on his campus and started getting dumb like smoking in public and such. Well he gets busted and everything goes down hill. I took it upon my self many a time to stop him from getting dumb and getting caught, but he would not listen. Now I get blamed for doing nothing.

She is extreeeeeeeeeeeemmmmllly anti-drugs, so I guess talking about laws was not smart. But see for yourself.
Godf0ther:weed is not a demon drug. it has been put into a negative view over many years
Godf0ther:families are ruined everyday because of arrest
Godf0ther:and it is scary sad and un called for
a: yeah. families are also ruined when left to deal with problems like their children smoking and selling drugs
a: because then the parents also have that on their shoulders.
Godf0ther:all because the laws are un just
Godf0ther:laws put this problem on parents
a: dont fucking pull that shit its illegal for a reason.
Godf0ther:no it is not
Godf0ther:do research learn
Godf0ther:don't spit shit out
a: the only reason its illegal is because they want to pull families apart, right?
Godf0ther:no
a: and im not fucking spitting shit out im just saying your mistake cost my family alot. so, you should be like clinically depressed right now because i know if i ever caused a family this much i would be.

I understand why she has this stance, but look at what damage the government has caused on families. Once again I take full responsibility for introducing him and giving him some, but if weed was never deionized none of this would have happened.

She then tires to pin everything on me which is bullshit, but w.e

All this has mad me realize how much damage the laws have done. I have been a victim of them. I can't fucking see a better reason for change then this. I don't want to see this happen to others it is very painful and stressful and sad. The government has corrupted enough people and it is time for change. The march on Washington thread I totally agree we should. NORML needs to take more action and hit stronger. What are we waiting for a powerful voice to lead us? Well that could be a while and in that time more lives are ruined.

When people are not able to accept the truth anymore and are just filled with propaganda the government has won. As long as I live I will not let is happen.

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Its called Free Will. If he was stupid about smoking, knowing it is illegal, causing him to get caught, it is his fault. People are responsible for their own actions. Just because you introduced it to him and sold to him doesnt mean that its your fault he got caught. You said hes in college, that should be old enough to be held accountable for your own actions, she cant see this. Fuck her.

The truth in the whole legality issue is that everything should be used responsibly and in moderation, and some people just cant handle this. . I just got through with an arguement with my father about the whole legality issue, American politics and world issues. Some people are just ignorant and are so blinded by propagandha and widely accepted "facts" such as "marijuana changes you" they cant see this.
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Its called Free Will. If he was stupid about smoking, knowing it is illegal, causing him to get caught, it is his fault. People are responsible for their own actions. Just because you introduced it to him and sold to him doesnt mean that its your fault he got caught. You said hes in college, that should be old enough to be held accountable for your own actions, she cant see this. Fuck her.

The truth in the whole legality issue is that everything should be used responsibly and in moderation, and some people just cant handle this. This is who the law is trying to protect, not the responsible people who use it in moderation.

She continues to blame me, so fuck it. I feel like shit giving it to him and not knowing how un ready he was and fucking his life up.

Just got to keep pushing for legalization.
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Yea we can keep pushing but it will be a while until it is a possibility. It probably wont be until the generation of people born in the late 70s/80s gets into power that we will actually see this. Like I said I got into an arguement with my father about legality issues and the average ignorant american ages 45-55 are just so blinded by propagandha and public opinion that legalization isnt a possibility today. I can tell/show him all this research that supports legalization and the medical use and even after this he still thinks "marijuana is bad and will change you into a bad person". Whatever. Fuck It.

Oh yea and about the girl, dont worry about it man, shit happens that is out of your hands. I really dont think it was your fault, he wouldve been introduced to it sooner or later and it wouldve caused the same effect.
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Yea we can keep pushing but it will be a while until it is a possibility. It probably wont be until the generation of people born in the late 70s/80s gets into power that we will actually see this. Like I said I got into an arguement with my father about legality issues and the average ignorant american ages 45-55 are just so blinded by propagandha and public opinion that legalization isnt a possibility today. I can tell/show him all this research that supports legalization and the medical use and even after this he still thinks "marijuana is bad and will change you into a bad person". Whatever. Fuck It.

Oh yea and about the girl, dont worry about it man, shit happens that is out of your hands. I really dont think it was your fault, he wouldve been introduced to it sooner or later and it wouldve caused the same effect.
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Humans have cultivated cannabis for years. The use of the plant goes back as far as agricultural history goes. It has uses such as a food source, as a material for clothes, and even as a religious herb. For years the US government banned cannabis, but in 2006, twelve states have decriminalized the cultivation of the plant.

It is important that one knows the reasoning behind the illegalization of cannabis. According to Pete Guither, Cannabis was made illegal in the 1930's due to anti-Mexican feelings, personal greed, yellow journalism, and corrupt politics. Today, in the new millennium, the Anti-Cannabis movement is mostly caused by propaganda left over from the early to late 1930's. Our countries leaders simply don't know better. They have effectively been brainwashed by the very organization they are a part of. The history of the prohibition of cannabis undoubtedly shows this.

To understand why Cannabis should be legalized, one must understand why it was made illegal in the first place. We call the beginning of the 20th century ‘the gilded age’ because of the sense of false economic security. Sure, the numbers looked good on paper, but morality was at an all time low at the time. In the inside, corporations were cheaper then a $2 carnival game.

Harry J Anslinger was not an uncommon person for the 1930's. He was racist, hated Mexicans, and wanted to use the government for his own benefit. He was a fervent pro-Nazi, and had skills in rhetoric, propaganda, and yellow journalism. Anslinger had ties with two large influences in Cannabis prohibition: William Randolph Hearst, and Lammont DuPont. These two men were the owners of the two largest super-companies in the 30’s.

William Randolph Hearst was the owner of Hearst Newspaper Company. He had privately invested large sums of money in the Lumber industry. This is called vertical integration, and was a common process in the early 1900's. The purpose of this is to own all the companies your product depended on for production so the owner of the corporation can make heaps of money.

Hemp is a product of Cannabis. It can be used as a food, fuel, plastic, paper, mortar, and cloth. The plant is ready to harvest in just 3 months after rotation. Not only is hemp able to grow at a fraction of the rate of trees, but also it can grow on a fraction of the land. It is important to note that hemp was a serious threat to William Randolph Hearst's investment in the lumber industry.

Lammont DuPont was the owner of the DuPont Company. DuPont held the rights to several patents, including one for a process of creating paper with the sulfate and sulfite process, one for fuel additives, and countless other synthetics, such as nylon, cellophane, Teflon, and other plastics. Hemp could be made into similar products, except much cheaper, and extremely environmentally safe.

Large companies such as Ford purchased synthetics from the DuPont Company. Ford had already used, and planned on developing a car body based on cellulosic hemp fiber, and with this technology, the DuPont Company would have gone to waste. What is more important is that the companies producing the hemp were in or around Mexico, and were farmed by Mexicans. Politicians hated Mexicans at this time.

Harry Anslinger received money from DuPont as well as Hearst Newspapers. In return, Anslinger launched a campaign of hate. Using the money, he created propaganda advertisements that brainwashed the public. He used his connections with Hearst Newspapers to have fake articles posted in the news.

During a meeting before the US Senate, Anslinger started a fiery debate. He claimed "There are 100,000 total marijuana [Cannabis] smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others." Most of the sources Anslinger used were from the same newspapers that funded his war on Cannabis. This is called Yellow Journalism.

This speech led to the formation of The Marijuana Stamp Tax in 1937. This was a $100 tax on every pound of hemp. For comparison, $100 in 1937 is $1405.52 in 2006 dollars (according to inflation rates). This was effectively the government's attempt at banning Cannabis by making a tax so high, nobody could afford to buy or sell it.

From the way Anslinger spoke in front of US Senators, we can see that he is a racist bigot. Since when can the US government make laws based on someone's opinion of 'bad music'? Since when do laws based on nothing more then corrupt politics and racism hold merit in 2006? The laws against Cannabis were not created to protect the United States from a narcotic threat; rather it was a successful attempt at ruining an industry for personal greed.

Not only are the laws about Cannabis based on nothing more then political games by super corporations, but the propaganda from the period left our society ignorant about Cannabis. There are many major misconceptions about Cannabis. They have their roots in propaganda such as the notorious Reefer Madness film.

Cannabis is classified as a Schedule 2 drug, which means the government classifies it as being an illegal narcotic with no medicinal values. This could not be farther then the truth. Currently, Cannabis has been rescheduled for medicinal use in twelve states, and the number grows with each election. The government is deciding what drugs have medicinal value- not the doctors with the PhD’s. In fact, according to PowerOneMedia inc., the government has known that Cannabis contains protein inhibitors that slow or eliminate tumors in mice. The government has stopped most experimentation with Cannabis and cancer.

Many Cancer patients use cannabis to relieve nausea from chemotherapy. Its intriguing that the government sanctions pumping our bodies full of toxic chemicals to the point where patients actually die from the treatment, yet it is still illegal to use a natural plant to relieve nausea and help fight cancer.

It is often said and posted in propaganda ads that Cannabis contains over 200 chemicals. Most organic compounds contain this many chemicals. There is nothing unusual about this number. To the ‘average Joe’, this makes Cannabis sound like it is some sort of toxic waste.

Another common misconception is that one Cannabis ‘joint’ or cigarette contains up to 30 times more carcinogens then cigarettes. This is almost laughable when one uses knowledge and statistics to avoid wading through propaganda. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and the Bureau of Mortality Statistics, 400,000 people die annually of tobacco related problems. 100,000 people die from Alcohol related issues, 20,000 from legal drug side effects and accidental overdoses, 15,000 from Illegal drugs, 2,000 from caffeine, and 500 from Aspirin.


Not one single person in the history of mankind has ever died from Cannabis. It is almost physically impossible to overdose on Cannabis. When people ingest large amounts of Cannabis, they feel tired, and fall asleep. When people ingest large amounts of Alcohol, they get sclerosis and die. However, Alcohol, which causes 400,000 more deaths per year then Cannabis, is legal.

Cannabis is not a gateway drug. This is claimed by many propaganda ads. Cannabis is illegal. Therefore, the government has created a black market for Cannabis. The same people who sell Cannabis illegally also sell elicit drugs illegally. Therefore, the government has created a convenience for Cannabis users to easily use other ‘hard drugs’. If legalized and regulated, the black market is eliminated, creating a much safer environment, not to mention a stronger economy.

Cannabis has not proven to be physically addicting at all. Like anything that gives the user pleasure (sweets, games, etc), Cannabis can be mentally addicting. There are absolutely no withdrawal signs or symptoms from Cannabis. The only long-term effect is bronchitis, which can be avoided altogether by using a device called a vaporizer, which extracts only the psychoactive THC in Cannabis, leaving any harmful substances behind. Ingestion through baked and other goods have no adverse effects on the respiratory system.

When the laws about Cannabis were created, the objective was not to protect Americans from a harmful drug. The objective was for Harry J Anslinger to pull a few favors for Hearst Newspapers and DuPont Plastics. It is long overdue that Cannabis laws be reformed, not only for personal recreational use, but also for medicinal, as well as industrial use.

Thousands of acres of rainforest are being harvested for lumber products, when the same products can be grown year round on Cannabis plants that offer higher yield, lower costs, and almost no need for pesticides. Billions of dollars may be saved.

Millions of lives may be saved or made more enjoyable by the medicinal values of Cannabis. Even though the government has yet to acknowledge Cannabis’ use as an anti-cancerous substance, it still eliminates the nausea related with chemotherapy. It is also known to relieve common symptoms of asthma when used sparingly.

If the government legalizes the cultivation of cannabis, and taxes it rightfully, Massachusetts alone will save $24 million dollars per year on the war on drugs. The revenue generated could pay for just about any public project required. If cultivation is legalized, the black market for Cannabis will be eliminated, keeping our streets safer and our economy stronger.

The time is now for laws to be reformed. Prohibition did not work with alcohol. With prohibition, more lives are being destroyed then being saved. Peace-loving Cannabis users are being thrown in jail with violent sex offenders and murderers. These people don’t want anyone to be harmed; they just want to be left alone so that they may enjoy their life in their own way.

Every day hundreds of letters are being sent to state legislators rallying for the legalization of the plant that may cure cancer, or save the rainforests, or bring peace to those who want to enjoy life. Hundreds of letters are not enough. The numbers need to be in the thousands.

It is time for America to win the war on drugs- not by prohibition or throwing innocent men in jail, but by reforming the laws, keeping the drugs off the streets and out of our children’s hands. It is time for America to use its right to vote and put Cannabis on the ballot. It is time to legalize freedom.

















Works Cited
Bouril, Thomas J. "Marijuana and Hemp Story: How Harmful Is Marijuana?" Marijuana and Hemp: the Untold Story. 1997. 15 Mar. 2006 .
Guither, Pete. "Drug Warrant." Drug War Rant. Userland. 05 Feb. 2006 .
" Harry J. Anslinger- Wikipedia." Wikipedia.Com. Mediawiki. 06 Feb. 2006 .
Nahas, and Latour. "Cannabis Cancer Threats." Ideas-Canada.Ca. Ideas-Canada Inc. 17 Mar. 2006 .
"Norml." http://www.norml.org/. Communicopia.Net. 04 Feb. 2006 .
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Where'd you get that from? I think I read it before... I can't really remember where
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Well, the laws aren't going to change themselves. The govt knows more about cannabis than we do, but probally they're thinking "so what are you (us civilians) gonna do about it?".
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Where'd you get that from? I think I read it before... I can't really remember where
I wrote it in 10th grade.

My teacher loved it, and I had her convinced.
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My teacher loved it, and I had her convinced.
Oh, roger that. Haha. Maybe I just knew some of the content.
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In 'I forget what store' I found these coffee table books and one I found is a neon orange book called 'Spliffs', and in the book there alot of references to what Alpha said. Pretty much any Cannabis book says the same thing.
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In 'I forget what store' I found these coffee table books and one I found is a neon orange book called 'Spliffs', and in the book there alot of references to what Alpha said. Pretty much any Cannabis book says the same thing.
Its not that they say the same thing, its that they say the right thing.

I touched the essay up a little:

Humans have cultivated cannabis for years. The use of the plant goes back as far as agricultural history goes. It has uses such as a food source, as a material for clothes, and yes (I know you were waiting for this), as an intoxicant. For years the US government banned cannabis, but in 2006, twelve states have decriminalized the possession of the plant.
It is important that one knows the reasoning behind the illegalization of cannabis. According to Pete Guither, Cannabis was made illegal in the 1930’s due to anti-Mexican feelings, personal greed, yellow journalism, and corrupt politics. I invite you to do your own reasearch after reading this. Find out the truth. Look at both sides of the argument and make your decision.


Today, in the new millennium, the Anti-Cannabis movement is mostly caused by propaganda left over from the early to late 1930’s. Our countries leaders simply don’t know better. They have effectively been brainwashed by the very organization they are a part of. The lies that were told in the beginning were taken seriously, and the generation that was first lied to in the 30’s lied to the next generation- and so on and so fourth. The history of the prohibition of cannabis undoubtedly shows this.


To understand why Cannabis should be legalized, you must understand why it was made illegal in the first place. We call the beginning of the 20th century ‘the gilded age’ because of the sense of false economic and social security. Sure, the numbers looked good on paper, but morality was at an all time low. Giant corporations that control large chunks of our economy today were just starting out by creating monopolies, and other less then legitimate practices.


Harry J Anslinger was not an uncommon politician for the 1930’s. He was racist, hated Mexicans, and wanted to use the government for his own benefit. It was reported that he was a pro-nazi (although I would dispute this report), and had skills in rhetoric, propaganda, and yellow journalism. Anslinger had ties with the two largest influences in Cannabis prohibition: William Randolph Hearst, and Lammont DuPont. These two men were the owners of the two largest super-companies of the 30’s.


William Randolph Hearst was the owner of Hearst Newspaper Company. He had privately invested large sums of money in the Lumber industry. This is called vertical integration, and was a common process in the early 1900’s. By owning the lumber and paper companies, he eliminated the middle man. The purpose of this is to own all the companies your product depended on for production so the owner of the corporation can make heaps of money. I assure you, he did.


Hemp is a product of the plant called Cannabis. Its a hearty, thickly vegetating plant that will tower over 10 feet above other foliage. It can be used as a food, fuel, plastic, paper, mortar, and cloth. The plant is ready to harvest in just 3 months after rotation. Not only is hemp able to grow at a fraction of the rate of trees, but also it can grow on a fraction of the land. It is important to note that hemp was a serious threat to William Randolph Hearst’s investment in the lumber industry. Hemp paper is rough, tough, and eco friendly. Plus its super cheap. You can really make anything out of hemp. Look it up.


Lammont DuPont was the owner of the DuPont Company. DuPont held the rights to several patents, including one for a process of creating paper with the sulfate and sulfite process, one for fuel additives, and countless other synthetics, such as nylon, cellophane, Teflon, and other plastics. At the time they were just starting out by synthesizing synthetic oils and the first plastic polymers. Again, hemp can do a lot of what these chemicals can do, except cheaper and safer on the environment.


Large companies (like Ford Motor Company) purchased synthetics from the DuPont Company in the form of raw materials to make things. Ford had already used, and planned on developing a car body based on cellulosic hemp fiber, and w