Redicoulous Michigan Law..

[KeepSmokinReefa]

This is about a month old, But jus heard of it.

Michigan is trying to/has made it illegal to have a man leave a pregnant woman. Redicoulous. Thas against our rights as men.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../611300306/1008

Thursday, November 30, 2006
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Yes. Bill assumes male guilt and opens door to unfair prosecutions.

Jeffery M. Leving and Glenn Sacks

Mail letters to The Detroit News, Editorial Page, 615 W. Lafayette, Detroit, MI 48226, or fax them to (313) 222-6417 or e-mail them to letters@detnews.com.


Bob and Jane live together and, like many young couples, they sometimes argue. There never seems to be enough money, and while they both want to go to college, neither has yet been able to do so. Jane recently discovered that she is pregnant.

Jane is ambivalent about the pregnancy, and her friends think she should terminate it -- she's too young, and Bob isn't very stable. Bob would like to be a father someday, but not now -- he can't pay their bills and wants a better career.

One day Bob and Jane argue over some things Jane bought with their credit card, and Bob tells Jane he doesn't want to pay their bills anymore. He says he's tired of arguing with her, doesn't want her to have the baby, and wants to move out for a while and think things over.

Under a bill recently passed by the Michigan House of Representatives, Bob could go to jail.

House Bill 5882 creates the Coercive Abortion Prevention Act. Its purpose is to prohibit the putative father of a pregnant woman's child from coercing or intimidating the woman into terminating her pregnancy. While preventing violence or threats of violence against pregnant women is an admirable goal, the proposal goes way beyond this by interfering with constitutionally protected personal prerogatives.

The proposal actually makes it a crime for a man to "change or attempt to change an existing housing or cohabitation arrangement" with a pregnant significant other, to "file or attempt to file for a divorce" from his pregnant wife or to "withdraw or attempt to withdraw financial support" from a woman whom he has been supporting -- if it is determined that the man is doing these things to try to pressure the woman to terminate her pregnancy.

This violates men's rights. The U.S. Constitution's protected liberty interests safeguard privacy in areas such as contraception, abortion, marriage, procreation, child rearing and sexual conduct between consenting adults.

Do Michigan legislators believe these protections don't also cover the basic personal choices the proposal proscribes?

The bill is also laden with unfair assumptions of male perfidy. There are many reasons why a man might be unhappy over his wife's or girlfriend's pregnancy, and consider ending his relationship with her. He may doubt that the child she is carrying is his. He may feel he was deceived into the pregnancy. She may lash out at him during her pregnancy-related mood swings, and he may take offense.

A talented prosecuting attorney who may be looking for publicity could frame a man's decision as an attempt to coerce an abortion.

The accused need not be convicted to suffer egregious harm -- the cost of criminal defense is often ruinous, and the emotional toll can be worse.

The physical dangers from which House Bill 5882's supporters seek to protect pregnant women are real. It's debatable whether the bill's anti-violence provisions are good law, because the acts it specifies are already illegal.

However, protecting women from violence is one thing -- punishing men for their peaceful, private conduct in their personal relationships is quite another.

[iampiano]

That's. Really. Really. Gay.

I thought America was the land of the free, not the land of retarded pricks with nothing better to do than think up retarded laws. I mean really, in 500 years America will have so meny laws that it might as well be a Communist country.

[xericx]

^^ Your sig is very ignorant, racism isnt tolerated here, take it elsewhere.

eric

[SpringsStang]

fuck this country

godamnit im fucking sick of having our rights slowly taken away. this is complete bullshit. fuck america im moving to canada. good fucking snowboarding

[Blaze_It_Up420]

So sick of this shit...one by one we wave goodbye to our rights.

[geetardude]

Hey,

Well, It seems to me that it's aimed at the "dead beat daddies". However, there are many what I believe to be, innocent men who are going to be incarcerated unjustly. I just think the government would have already foreseen this, and found a superior alternative. So, is this law actually in effect, or is it still in the process? Sorry, wasn't payin attention . Peace.

-Timmy
"Making music is a virus, fortunately there is no cure."

[DEFSTONES]

I think they have the right idea, but they just need to tweak the law some. I mean I can see all kinds of shit coming from this like say a couple breaks up the woman can claim she is pregnant and get the guy thrown in jail, and that is just retarded. But the law should help out women who get fucked over by a guy that doesn't want to take care of his child. I'm all for a law that makes men take responsibility for their actions.

[LieutenantDank]

Originally Posted by DEFSTONES

I think they have the right idea, but they just need to tweak the law some. I mean I can see all kinds of shit coming from this like say a couple breaks up the woman can claim she is pregnant and get the guy thrown in jail, and that is just retarded. But the law should help out women who get fucked over by a guy that doesn't want to take care of his child. I'm all for a law that makes men take responsibility for their actions.

Completely agree. If you knock a girl up, take responsibity. 50 years ago, you would have a simple choice : marry the girl, or risk being outcast. Previous generations were all about taking responsibility. I think this generation has lost sight of that.

[Weebie]

Have you ever seen V for Vandetta?
In the movie they talk about where America is in 20 years. I quote "This was a country that had everything! Absolutely everything. And what do they have now? Nothing, because they pissed it all away!"
Get stoned and thing about where this country will be/is heading in 20 years if things remain the same moraly. You can come up with some wicked shit when you concentrate stoned man, I'm tellina ya!

[KeepSmokinReefa]

Originally Posted by DEFSTONES

I'm all for a law that makes men take responsibility for their actions.

Word.

I got a daughter and do everything for her.

But thas that laws complete bullshit.

[TeSupo]

I love that movie V for Vendetta, very political movie.

[LieutenantDank]

Originally Posted by KeepSmokinReefa

Word.

I got a daughter and do everything for her.

But thas that laws complete bullshit.

You take responsibility for your actions, and that shows that you are a decent person. However, there are far too many people who will just get a girl pregnant and never think twice about it. As the law stands, there is very little a woman can do against a dead beat dad. If they are not willing to help support the child, I see no reason why they should be allowed their freedom. They are harming not only the mother, but also a child that has no way of caring for itself. People should pay when they damage other people's lives like that.

[KeepSmokinReefa]

Which is why theres child support.

[LieutenantDank]

Originally Posted by KeepSmokinReefa

Which is why theres child support.

Child support only goes so far, especially in the development of children. It's one thing if you pay support and have a relationship with your kid; it's another thing if you just send the check and pretend the kid doesn't exist. Men need to step up and not only take financial liability, but also be a part of the kids life.

[KeepSmokinReefa]

Originally Posted by LieutenantDank

Child support only goes so far, especially in the development of children. It's one thing if you pay support and have a relationship with your kid; it's another thing if you just send the check and pretend the kid doesn't exist. Men need to step up and not only take financial liability, but also be a part of the kids life.

So do the fucking females. Its not a one way street.