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Old 12-14-2006, 06:26 PM
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Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job

i know i've been posted a lot about this topic recently, so if you are sick of it or don't want to read this please hit alt f4 on your keyboard now.

if you are interested in the truth than please continue reading.

information keeps on accumulating on this topic and i found this particular piece interesting which i why i decided to pass it along.

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Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job
Knew people in FAA on day of hijackings who said intercept procedures should have been enacted as normal

Prison Planet | December 14, 2006
Paul Joseph Watson

A former Boston Center air traffic controller has gone public on his assertion that 9/11 was an inside job and that Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon tracked three of the four flights from the point of their hijacking to hitting their targets. In an astounding telephone interview, Robin Hordon claims air traffic controllers have been ignored or silenced to protect the true perpetrators of 9/11.

A recording of the phone conversation was posted on Google video late yesterday by the Pilots For 9/11 Truth organization.

After having acquired a background in aviation, Hordon underwent rigorous FAA training to become an air traffic controller and was posted to Boston Center where he worked for eleven years. He did not work at Boston Center when 9/11 occurred but still knows people that did who concur with his conclusions. In comparing the stand down of air defense on 9/11 and what should have occurred according to standard operating procedure, he quickly concluded on the very afternoon of the attacks that they could represent nothing other than an inside job.

"On September 11th I'm one of the few people who really within quite a few hours of the whole event taking place just simply knew that it was an inside job, and it wasn't because of the visuals, the collapses, whatever....I knew that it was an inside job I think within about four or five o'clock that afternoon and the reason that I knew is because when those aircraft did collide and then we got the news and information on where the aircraft were and where they went....if they knew where the aircraft were and were talking to them at a certain time then normal protocol is to get fighter jet aircraft up assist," said Hordon.



Hordon said that from personal experience he knew the system was always ready to immediately scramble intercepting fighters and that any reversal of that procedure would have been unprecedented and abnormal. He had also personally handled both real hijacking situations in his airspace and other emergency procedures.

"I know people who work there who confirmed to me that the FAA was not asleep and the controllers could do the job, they followed their own protocols," he stated.

Hordon said that the only way the airliners could have avoided being intercepted was if a massive electrical and communications failure had occurred which it didn't on that day, adding that there was "no way" the hijacked airliners could have reached their targets otherwise.

He highlighted the fact that only an emergency handling of aircraft protocol change on that day could have interrupted standard operating procedure and hijacking protocol. Hordon said it was unbelievable how far American Airlines Flight 11 was allowed to go off course without the appropriate action being taken on behalf of flight controllers.

"What you do is you don't wait for the judge, jury and executioner to prove it's an emergency, if things start to go wrong you have the authority to simply say I am going to treat this craft as if it is an emergency, because if everybody's wrong then fifteen minutes later no big thing."

Hordon emphasized that the debate has deliberately been channeled by NORAD and the government to focus on reactions to hijackings, when the real issue is the emergency condition of the aircraft well before a hijacking is even confirmed.

He went on to explain how as soon as the hijacking of Flight 11 was confirmed at around 8:24am, the entire system, from every FAA center coast to coast, to the Pentagon, to the President were informed and knew of the hijacking.

"The system now had to make some phone calls and call up Rummy's Pentagon and Rummy's Pentagon is the one that would then make the decision."

"Well, Rummy's Pentagon on American 11 didn't answer the phone, neither 175, didn't answer the phone and they didn't answer the phone until they were absolutely embarrassed into answering the phone somewhere along the flight of United 93 and American 77 - first formal contact was at this particular time," said Hordon.

"That is all distractionary, that is all designed to keep people off the focus - the real focus is what the air traffic controller did immediately upon seeing that American 11 was in trouble and what we do as air traffic controllers is we get eyes and ears on this flight."

Hordon underscored the fact that after the confirmed hijacking of Flight 11, the entire FAA system would have been on full alert and obsessively watching the skies for any unusual activity, and that such activity as the hijacking of Flight 77 would have been immediately reported to supervisors instantaneously, as well as being continually tracked.

"If the air traffic controller were going by emergency procedures which he is trained to do, he would have reached out directly to ADC (NORAD) and say what do you see?" said Hordon.

This highlights the absurdity of Dulles controllers mistaking Flight 77 for a fighter jet as it approached Washington as was reported, and the plane's over 40 minute uninterrupted journey to the Pentagon after a hijack was confirmed.

Hordon debunked the recent Vanity Fair piece that whitewashed NORAD's response as a consequence of confusion and the supposition that NORAD needs exact flight coordinates to enact any kind of response, and that the planes were supposedly invisible to radar and couldn't be tracked properly.

"It's very clear now through testimony and documents given to us by the federal government that indeed....the Boston Center actually tracked American 11 as a primary target after it lost its radar, after it lost its transponder, all the way to World Trade Center," he said.

"Further information indicates later the NORAD radars had it tracked....the bottom line of the story is that all of those aircraft were always tracked all the time by the FAA air traffic control centers," said Hordon, pointing out that information showing air traffic controllers tried insistently to alert military command structures is being locked down because it points to finger of responsibility to Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon, who were also tracking all the aircraft from the point of hijacking to the impact on their targets.

This is the reason why, as Hordon stated, that we don't have complete access to flight data recorders and FAA tapes, which in the case of a conversation between six New York Air Route Traffic Control Center controllers was ordered to be shredded , because if studies of that evidence were undertaken it would become very clear as to who was really behind the attack.

"What they did is they cherry picked transmissions, communications and statements made all on these four flights that were able to paint and write a story that the public would look at and so ooh wow, this really happened - but it wasn't factual, it was a story and it tell not tell anything other than what the high perps wanted the public to hear - they cherry picked this information," said Hordon.

Hordon ended by saying that only with the testimony from the dozens of flight controllers who have been silenced or ignored would the true story about who carried out 9/11 begin to emerge.
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Do you really believe this stuff, or do you just WANT to believe it?

"In comparing the stand down of air defense on 9/11 and what should have occurred according to standard operating procedure, he quickly concluded on the very afternoon of the attacks that they could represent nothing other than an inside job."

That alone is reason to disregard this man's opinion. If he quickly jumped to such a ridiculous conclusion only hours after the event, ruling out other possibilities, he wasn't looking for the full truth. Skimming through that article simply shows that a specific emergency protocol was not put in place. There are many reasons that may have happened, one of the least likely being a conspiracy (IMO).

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Do you really believe this stuff, or do you just WANT to believe it?
I could say the same about the 9/11 commission report.
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I could say the same about the 9/11 commission report.
True. People tend to believe what they want to hear and too often fail to investigate anything on their own. This applies to conspiracy theorists and "patriots" equally. I personally do not think the government carried out the attacks and sometimes find it slightly offensive when people jump on this bandwagon. It's good that you're looking for information on your own weedzilla, so I respect your opinion .
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True. People tend to believe what they want to hear and too often fail to investigate anything on their own. This applies to conspiracy theorists and "patriots" equally. I personally do not think the government carried out the attacks and sometimes find it slightly offensive when people jump on this bandwagon. It's good that you're looking for information on your own weedzilla, so I respect your opinion .
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I, DO believe that it was carried out by our government... Just too much evidence/motive to do so... Sorry if you disagree, but it's just my opinion...
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You should probably just post stuff like this directly into Pandora's Box, considering I'm sure that's where this will end up.


But +rep for the info, this is great stuff.
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scary, but it's sad that we will more than likely never know for sure. i get so much shit where i live for telling people they shouldn't rush to conclusions about it being the terrorists with so much obvious bullshit that happened (the black box dissapearing while the terrorists passports were found in the rubble, the steal burning through for a perfect collapse, no photographs of the plane that crashed in penn, etc), but i don't think a group of people could be so heartless as to do this for money, as compared to doing it for hate, which is more probable IMO. good post
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ya but its bigger than that

it was a pretext for war which ultimately = lots of cash
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I will never, ever believe anyone who claims that the government willingly let thousands of people die. The government might have hidden motives behind some of the events of 9/11. They might have even made some costly mistakes that could have saved lives. However, I could never believe the government would permit thousands of deaths, billions of dollars in property damage, and the general heartbreak of 9/11 to occur if they could have stopped it.
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I'm pretty sure governments have set up things similiar to 9-11 in the past, and I have no problem believing my idiot president did have a role in the 9-11 attack

But I've been arguing this in my social problems class all semester long, it's a tad tiring. If people want to live with rose colored glasses on fine, but I'm not gunna believe everything I see on the TV, especially when the president has lied about everything else since he got in office.
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Do you really believe this stuff, or do you just WANT to believe it?

"In comparing the stand down of air defense on 9/11 and what should have occurred according to standard operating procedure, he quickly concluded on the very afternoon of the attacks that they could represent nothing other than an inside job."

That alone is reason to disregard this man's opinion. If he quickly jumped to such a ridiculous conclusion only hours after the event, ruling out other possibilities, he wasn't looking for the full truth. Skimming through that article simply shows that a specific emergency protocol was not put in place. There are many reasons that may have happened, one of the least likely being a conspiracy (IMO).
No, that alone is not reason to disregard his opinion. It isn't a ridiculous conclusion. People who disbelieve this and instead believe the official story, those are people who are in desperate need to believe something just so their fragile little "safe" world doesn't get shattered. 9/11 should not have happened. At the most, one tower should have been hit before any other plane deviating from its flight plan would have been shot down (Especially if they lost the ability to communicate with the pilots).

No, sorry to say, the official story is bullshit and it was an inside job. period.

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I will never, ever believe anyone who claims that the government willingly let thousands of people die. The government might have hidden motives behind some of the events of 9/11. They might have even made some costly mistakes that could have saved lives. However, I could never believe the government would permit thousands of deaths, billions of dollars in property damage, and the general heartbreak of 9/11 to occur if they could have stopped it.
Why wouldn't you believe that your Government would allow thousands of people to die? They let hundreds of soilders die because of piss poor planning during invasions. They drop agent orange on the jungles of Vietnam which effects are still being felt to this day. They dropped atomic weapons on two cities and people are still getting birth defects and dying from cancer even now. During WWII they dropped phosphorus on civilian targets, horribly burning civilians alive. They allow corporations to pollute drinking water, as long as the parts per million are "low" enough...

So, why is it hard to believe your Government (or some people in your Government) would have moral qualms about the death of a few thousand people if it would further their agenda? It has already been shown to have little to no regard for human life.
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I, DO believe that it was carried out by our government... Just too much evidence/motive to do so... Sorry if you disagree, but it's just my opinion...
In todays world, the higher up the ladder you go the less human everyone becomes. When you're making a quarter million every two hours like Bush and Cheney, money has obviously become your obsession, not your low paying head of the country job. It always comes down to the money...and once you get down to it, they with the most of it rule...everything...

Alex Jones may be a bit of a nut at times, he may make some conjectures of his own, but the facts he uses are still facts, and each individual one is frightening without structuring them together to make a supposition. Whether or not it was carried out by the government, they certainly...CERTAINLY didn't stop it.
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yea this government blows. doesnt the constitution say stuff about revolting when this stuff happens?
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