I'm done with trust...

[Floydian]

I'm totally done involving trust with weed. This world fucking sucks where kids will take a few bucks over a friendship.

For the last year, I've been dealing with basically only middle men. And I'm sure I've posted about it before, but now I'm completely done. Not just with middle men though, like I said... trust. I'm not going to put my trust in anyone I'm getting weed from anymore.

You know where trust gets you? Angry enough to shank people who you've put your "trust" in for over a year. Angry enough at people who you've taken in to your house when they couldn't stand the people at their own. Angry enough at people who you've done nothing but look the other way for, and always given them the benefit of the doubt.

This kid who's been about my only actual friend for a year now decided to rip me off for nothing more than $28. Of course he had an excuse that seemed to check out, and then a day later said he was going to get it and then had to go to work and that I could pick it up as soon as he got off. 3 days later, about 10 phone calls later too, I havn't heard shit from him. And just like the last few times something like this is happened, he'll probably come around in a few days with like a dime for me or something and call it even and expect me to trust him. Or he'll just wait a week or so and call me up like nothing happened. Well this time the money wasn't even for me, and I'm not just gonna let it go down like that again.

I fucking hate myself for knowing I won't do anything about it... I'm just a peaceful dude. You really have to do some serious shit to get me mad enough to beat someones ass, and I'd rather not beat down a kid who for one is near crippled in one arm, and one who I'd rather still be friends with. But I'm done with him and the others I know like him. People who take advantage of people who have done absolutely nothing wrong to them, just so in their own little minds they can come out on top.

What I hate the most is how these people will sit there and talk shit about every one under the sun, how they're two faced and rip people off and you can't trust them... and then low and behold they're just as bad themselves.

Beyond the actual people though, I'm never... EVER... EVER... going to let someone go off with my money again. I have no trust for that anymore. Sure it comes through 95% of the time, but then you get burned. But since it always came through otherwise, you give them the benefit of the doubt. Well adventually you just can't anymore. I'm not even going to go through people who're just middle'n it, even if I can make a straight hand off. They're the ones that burn you.

And even then, I'm done even trusting totally straight dealers... because one day, when I know I really need to trust them, they'll just turn the other way and walk off with my money, on the ONE time I trust them with it.

I'm sorry if all that was pointless, I just needed to get this shit off my chest. No more trust or benefit of the doubt, and no more picking shady situations over being sober.

How do all you guys treat trust? Even with your 'friends'? Or do some of you actually got people you know you could trust your lives with? I'd love to know there's actually some straight arrows out there, ya know?

[cheebaa]

Originally Posted by Floydian

How do all you guys treat trust? Even with your 'friends'? Or do some of you actually got people you know you could trust your lives with? I'd love to know there's actually some straight arrows out there, ya know?

Man, that sucks you got screwed- but it's good it was only for $28, not like some people on here who have been robbed at gun/knife point for $500+.

I know it's still not right- and lately I have been trying to understand humans as a species and why we do things to hurt each other. It's terrible that you feel you can't trust anyone now.

I've had problems with trust as well- some friends I hadn't spoken to in about 1 1/2 years told my g/f (now ex) that I had cheated on her (which was exremely exaggerated and the information wasn't correct and it happened 3 years before they told her).

People are fucked up- I know my situation isn't the same as your but what I am getting at is the fact is humans do random things and a persons behavior can never be predicted because it is based on circumstance.

I do have a friend who would never do anything to hurt me- they are far and few and must not be taken for granted.

You just gotta keep reminding yourself that although there are people who will fuck you over out there- that you can better this world by never fucking anyone over.

[KamelRedLight]

Hey man don't feel too bad, you aren't the only one with trust issues. Two of my "best friends" out of the blue broke into my house and jacked my brother's PS2 and all his games and sold em, and thought I wouldn't mind once I found out cuz they weren't stealing from me, oh but wait they did steal my favorite bowl ever that cost about 100 bucks and lied about that to my face. And that's not something I can go to the cops about either. It takes every bit of restraint not to run up in that fucker's house and kick his head in, but I gotta keep my cool for my own sake, and the sake of my family. So far it's working out, cuz one of em exposed himself to an underage girl recently, and with his priors he may finally get what's coming to him...a dick in his ass. The other one though, the one who actually took my bowl...I'll keep tabs on him. I can think of 14000 different ways to destroy a brake system.

[DEFSTONES]

Just because this person decided to take some of your money, you shouldn't just say that you are done with trusting people. Trust is earned and you shouldn't take that right away from everyone else just because you have had bad encounters. I understand that you feel burned and taken advantage of, but don't let one person's mistakes ruin it for other people, ya know?

You should just confront the guy if he is your friend and tell him that you don't appreciate what he is doing. If he is really your friend then he will understand how he is affecting your relationship by taking advantage of you.

[Floydian]

Yeah dude, thanks for sure... I'm glad it was only $28 (the thing is it wasn't my money, but someone very importants money) too, but I only buy bags and lower, a quarter once in awhile, specifically for the purpose of never getting fucked over on a serious amount of money. But, like even with this kid, and back when I used to deal with AFD... they rip you off for $10 here and there, maybe a full bag once in awhile, and it adds up. In a year, I know I've lost at least $200, probably more, just from the little times adding up. But I always give them the benefit of the doubt, because they're still cool people to chill and talk with, and they pay you back sometimes. I suppose most of it was, for a long time, I didn't have any other choice than to go through these kinds of people. They knew they could fuck with me because if I started shit, they'd just say no more weed. They act like getting you weed is some huge favor on their part. I understand a felony isn't free, but you don't owe them for them getting you weed. I always smoke a bowl with anyone who gets me a bag, but when they start ripping you off and then start saying shit like "Deal with it, you know I help you out all the time." Then I talk to people like my mom, who remember weed in the 70s... she said getting a bag for someone was about as big of a deal as running to the kitchen to get them something to drink. Just something you did for friends. Well, that's obviously changed now.

And even when it comes through, the hours of waiting isn't worth it man... I just want ONE person that I could let them take my money to go get something, and then not have myself just sit there praying for a call from them or for them to show up. Like, someone even if they didn't come through that same day, they'd call and let you know what's up, and would for sure at least get the money back to you tomorrow. But no. I sit in my room doing anything I can to keep my mind off these fuckers that have my money - which I know is my own fault really, but just 'cause someone trusted you doesn't mean you have to rip them off - and by the time I actually get the dope, I've spent more time worrying than actually being high, and it almost makes it not worth it anymore.

And yeah dude, I know what you mean. I know people who are almost always talking shit behind my back... It'd be almost as nice to know I could trust people not to talk about me behind my back, as if I knew I could trust them to get me a satch. And trust me... I will NEVER fuck anyone over unless they totally deserve it. Where as I havn't done shit, 'cept give these dudes rides, gas money, smoke them up whenever they wanted and a lot more than I should be 'obligated' too... just all kinds of shit like that. And I don't get bags for people let alone deal unless it's a special circumstance, so it's not like I've ever even lost any of these guys money, and if I had, I would have made it a real priority to pay them back. It's just how I am.

Edit;

Originally Posted by DEFSTONES

You should just confront the guy if he is your friend and tell him that you don't appreciate what he is doing. If he is really your friend then he will understand how he is affecting your relationship by taking advantage of you.

The thing is man, I know right now what will happen when I confront him. He'll just come up with some bunk excuse, or he'll basically laugh at my face. He's not my friend, and even if he was... he isn't anymore. I'm done, wether he is or not. And I'm not saying this because of just him... I'm talking about multipul people, shit like this has been going on subtly for almost a year. I can think of at least 8 people I 'trusted' who don't even warrant me keeping their phone numbers around anymore.

[JollyRoger227]

Drugs and money can bring out the worst in people

But not everyone's bad, just remember that

OH, I thought of a good example to share with you. This is about karma, and why people who have bad things happen to them should just chill and not seek revenge

my friend's ex boyfriend smashed his bong through one of her new boyfriend's car windows.
Maybe a week after the ex boyfriend broke the car window, he totalled his beloved pathfinder

see karma, bad people get what's coming to them, all in due time

[KamelRedLight]

My advice man, grow a plant. But TELL NO ONE...put your paranoia to good use. Get your rhythm down, you'll never have to buy a bag again. I haven't bought a bag since July 4th, and I smoke like a king!

[Floydian]

Originally Posted by KamelRedLight

My advice man, grow a plant. But TELL NO ONE...put your paranoia to good use. Get your rhythm down, you'll never have to buy a bag again. I haven't bought a bag since July 4th, and I smoke like a king!

Oho man... I live in Michigan, you know how much empty woodlands there are here? Next year, that's exactly what I'll be doing. I just was content last growing season with buying bags, I hadn't got as pissed as I am now yet. Hopefully I'll even be able to do an indoor grow too, that ones a bit trickier though, certain people would need convincing, but I'm working on that.

[DEFSTONES]

I think what your main problem is that you are fronting people money to go get you sacks unless I misread. In some peoples eyes, this would be enough to consider you lazy and that you should find your own dealer. I mean, I'll hook up people with a sack every now and then - but I'm not a dealer and it pisses me off when people start calling me every fucking day trying to pick up a sack just because I know where to pick it up. You have to realize that when you are dealing with a middleman, you are dealing with somebody that is just doing you a favor ... not with a dealer who sells sacks all day long.

So if this person is constantly doing you favors then maybe he feels like you owe him 28 dollars and that it's okay to take it from you. It really doesn't seem like that bad of a situation to me because you said he would pay you back with a dimebag anyways, right? But if him taking your $28 is "crossing the line" to you, then you just need to confront him like I said earlier and see why exactly it is that he is taking your money. Obviously you two are on different wavelengths though because he feels comfortable about taking your money but you are getting bent out of shape about it. Try and think about it from his point of view though, he most likely just views it as he is borrowing money from you.

EDIT: Or the guy could just be a complete fucking dick, I dunno. I don't know the guy I'm just going by the information that you've given me so far

[KamelRedLight]

Cool, I've always wanted to grow outdoors. I was thinking of waiting for spring and just planting seeds all around nearby towns in the woods, and just leaving them and go back in october, any that are left I take. In the meantime I grow in my closet, and it's pretty easy to keep my own stash full. The best part about it is your weed will most likely be better than anything you've bought, cuz somehow it just works out that way. Now if you'll excuse me, I must test my most recent harvest with my one trustworthy friend left.

[JollyRoger227]

Originally Posted by KamelRedLight

Cool, I've always wanted to grow outdoors. I was thinking of waiting for spring and just planting seeds all around nearby towns in the woods, and just leaving them and go back in october, any that are left I take. In the meantime I grow in my closet, and it's pretty easy to keep my own stash full. The best part about it is your weed will most likely be better than anything you've bought, cuz somehow it just works out that way. Now if you'll excuse me, I must test my most recent harvest with my one trustworthy friend left.

Hell yea I'm a damned good trustworthy friend!

I should get a best friend award plaque

[Floydian]

Originally Posted by DEFSTONES

I think what your main problem is that you are fronting people money to go get you sacks unless I misread. In some peoples eyes, this would be enough to consider you lazy and that you should find your own dealer. I mean, I'll hook up people with a sack every now and then - but I'm not a dealer and it pisses me off when people start calling me every fucking day trying to pick up a sack just because I know where to pick it up. You have to realize that when you are dealing with a middleman, you are dealing with somebody that is just doing you a favor ... not with a dealer who sells sacks all day long.

So if this person is constantly doing you favors then maybe he feels like you owe him 28 dollars and that it's okay to take it from you. It really doesn't seem like that bad of a situation to me because you said he would pay you back with a dimebag anyways, right? But if him taking your $28 is "crossing the line" to you, then you just need to confront him like I said earlier and see why exactly it is that he is taking your money. Obviously you two are on different wavelengths though because he feels comfortable about taking your money but you are getting bent out of shape about it. Try and think about it from his point of view though, he most likely just views it as he is borrowing money from you.

EDIT: Or the guy could just be a complete fucking dick, I dunno. I don't know the guy I'm just going by the information that you've given me so far

Nah man, like you said, you don't know the guy.. that's what people do around here when they're either too paranoid or too lazy to be a real dealer. They middle bags ALL day long. That way they get a chance to make some money from the people they rip off, and then they constantly stay high from the rest because they pinch their bags PLUS expect the person to smoke a bowl with them even though they pinched it. Or else they're just making straight money off it by saying it costs, for instance, $30 when it's only $25... you do that enough times, and in a day you can have a good profit for almost no work.

He knows calling it a 'favor' (well it is a favor, but not as much as they're trying to say) or thinking I owe him that money just because he helps me out is a totally fucked up idea. They know all they're doing is ripping someone off, the rest of the shit is just how they justify it to that person or anyone else who's questioning their ethics. And I highly doubt he'll pay me back with a dime or something, that's a rare occourance, and even then, that's not being payed back. I want $28 or $28 of weed, not a dime. It's not just $28 either, only $28 THIS time, out of however many other times. It adds up. Plus, again, it wasn't my money and he most likely knew that, but I can't explain the whole situation.

I thank you for the advice bro, but I'll tell you exactly what his point of view is. "Hey! Free weed." and it's that simple. He IS just a complete fucking dick, as are all the other people I'm referring to.

[KeepSmokinReefa]

When it comes to a drug to drug relashionship its hard to trust somebody. If you met somebody through drugs and only know them through drugs, Meaning even jus weed, Its hard to trust em.

One of my dealers, He lived 4 houses from me on the corner of the block for 6-7 years while being my dealer.

Another, I went to school with him, And actually was the first one to teach him the game. He smoked a few times by then. I was knee deep in the game by then. So i taught him the ropes. Whatcha know. 10 something years later im neck deep in the game, And hes supplying me. But i know i could give him $1,000 or $100,000 in cold cash and id get what i asked for, If not more.

He'll hook up dank herb for like $130 a oz and be like sorry for the kinda steep price. Im like shit $130 a oz for some real dank. Shit i could flip this for $250 a oz easy but ima jus smoke it ya know.



Damn when i get drunk i type dumb shit.

On topic, Dont front unless you know the person besides as a drug to drug relasionship. Cuz if its like that, Its a bussiness man to a consumer relationship. And like that, The bussiness man knows he can do alot of hoe ass shit and still get bussiness, Because his bussiness could end up either in jail and is illegal and is not so common as the rest of the bussinessmens jobs.

So, Front to family and people you know is down for you. Willing to take a bullet for you type people.

Dont treat a dealer like a close friend if he aient. Ill tell a dealer a bag is hoe or a bag aient fat or the trees is bullshit. Cuz hes a bussiness to me and he aient supplying me what i want. If he asks for a front on money, Fuck that. How often do i go to mcdonalds and they ask me for my money on a front so they can go buy the cow to kill it to serve me the burger?

Never.

Have product, You'll get money. Bottom line.

[Floydian]

You're exactly right KSR, totally and entirely right. Yeah, it's true that I met this guy through smoking, but I've also met the very few people (well like one I can think of off hand) that I CAN trust to front to and shit, through smoking. But this particular dude, I mean we hung out literally every day just about for a year or two... he's spent so many nights at my house it's rediculous, same for me at his apartment when he had it. As far as I was concerned, he was my best friend. And he did come through most of the time, but it's when I really need his trust that he fucked me over.

And even when I wasn't fronting him, the bags were almost always skinny and for sure pinched, and he always wanted me to pack just one more ya know... always just one more, until it was almost all gone. I'm down for blowin' a bag in one session once in awhile, but I'm a lone toker, I like making my shit last me a few days. But if I asked him to smoke some more of his shit without me matching him, it was like blaspheme. So fuck him.