salvia in the media

[weedzilla420]

kind of demonized it but was still interesting


http://www.abc4.com/local_news/featu...5-C4A9F07A3FA5

Methamphetamine. Cocaine. LSD. We've all heard how dangerous, even deadly, these drugs can be. But have you heard of salvia divinorum? It's an herb, but some call it the world's most potent natural hallucinogen.

Kathy and Dennis Chidester of Delaware say it took their son's life. They know their son Brett used salvia. But when they confronted him about it, he pointed out that it was legal and insisted it was not dangerous. But they say it caused him to commit suicide in their garage earlier this year.

Dennis said, "he was lying in the fetal position on his jacket. And right away, I felt his body was cold. And so I called 911 and said, my son -- you know, my son's committed suicide."

Kathy said, "there was no way that he would ever do anything like that. Not the son that I knew. Not the boy that we raised."

The suicide note Brett left behind talked about how he had learned the secret of life. And although medical officials dispute whether he died directly because of salvia, it has prompted legislation that has now banned the herb in four states.

But salvia is still legal in most states, including Utah. And it's something most parents have never even heard of. So ABC 4 wanted to find out how easy it is to buy it right in our own backyard.

Many wonder what could really be wrong with a natural herb that is actually a cousin of the sage plant. But some who smoke it say it can cause extreme visualization and hallucination, even intense laughter and meditational epiphanies.

That's why it's so important for parents to know what can happen when salvia falls into inexperienced or irresponsible hands.

A clerk in one Salt Lake City store that sells salvia said, "Salvia is based all on your threshold, so if you smoke too much of it, you have a bad trip. You either get a weird feeling or you get giggly and bubbly kinda like you would off of pot."

And here's how easy it is for anybody to get salvia right here in Utah. We sent an undercover buyer into the Wizards and Dreams store in Sugarhouse. The store clerk said, "I got some new salvia."

We found Purple Sticky Salvia, sold for $84.99. It's cleverly marketed as aromatic incense, even though the seller told us all about how to smoke it. He suggests having someone watch you when you do, that it's not safe to do alone. "Just make sure you have one person sober. Some people say the first time, oh, it didn't work so I took a second pull and it f---ed me up. So I've just been told to say it's a spiritual journey."

Around the corner, at Elemental Inspirations, we were also able to buy salvia, although the owner did ask to see an ID. Salvia is not supposed to be sold to anyone under the age of 18. This time, we heard about another person's wild hallucinations. "She took one hit of the 10x salvia and she was gone. She was like, oh it's a bad trip, oh my gosh."

A distant relative to the sage mint plant, salvia's primarily grown in Mexico. But today its sold at stores in the US. And more and more teens are finding they can buy it online.

Although technically an herb, the US Drug Enforcement Agency lists salvia as a "Drug of Concern."

Jason Mazuran, a narcotics expert with DrugTALK said, "I think it could be compared to LSD, some have compared it to peyote."

And while store owners told our undercover buyer numerous stories about salvia's mind altering effects, when ABC 4's Erika Edberg went in she got quite a different story. ABC 4 asks, "do you guys sell salvia here? Wizards and Dreams store owner responds, I don't. I used to and I discontinued it. I've actually discontinued it twice."

But when our reporter noticed it on display, the owner's story changed. "I didn't even know we had any left." He refused to talk about salvia on camera.

And while the woman at Elemental Inspirations told our undercover buyer exactly how to use it. You would take your one hit. You wouldn't pass it. You'd hold it. Exhale. Take your next hit. You'd take all of your three hits at once. It should be roughly three to five minutes by the time you get the pipe back, if you haven't automatically started hitting into the hallucination part you take your next one to two hits one right after the other without passing the pipe. When I asked I didn't get any helpful tips. "We don't want people playing with it or buying it as something to play around with. We want serious people who are looking to use it for its qualities."

And while answers like that and marketing ploys may fool some. Mazuran says, "the aromatic incense thing is, it's ridiculous. Come on. Everybody knows what's going on."

Drug experts say parents need to be more aware of salvia's potentially dangerous effects. Mazuran said, "the greater risk of salvia is not really the health effects but what people may or may not do or the choices they make while they're under the influence of that drug."

Because of Brett Chidester's death, the Delaware Legislature outlawed salvia divinorums use. Louisiana, Missouri, and Tennessee also have laws against salvia in their states. New York, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Illinois, and Alaska are currently considering proposals to ban it.

So what about Utah? ABC 4 called the state attorney general's office to see if any efforts were underway to make it illegal here. But the people we spoke with say they had never heard of salvia divinorum before. And it was only our inquiries that brought this dangerous herb to their attention.

So far, the Food and Drug Administration has not done any studies to determine the long-term health effects of salvia.

For more information about salvia divinorum:

The US Drug Enforcement Administrations site lists the current classification of salvia divinorum: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/dr...d/salvia_d.htm.

Wikipedia has a history of salvia divinorum, how its used, its effects and more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum.

Erowid lists frequently asked questions, laws about salvia, the chemistry that makes up the plant and much more: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml.

DrugTALK educates parents about the latest drug trends and dangers to their children. It also offers advice on how to talk with your child about drug use and some steps you can take if you think your child might be in trouble. http://www.drugtalk.org/.

[Rasta_Man]

I couldn't get past the second paragraph.

These kinds of articles make my blood pressure shoot through the roof.

[Jackattack]

Originally Posted by Rasta_Man

I couldn't get past the second paragraph.

These kinds of articles make my blood pressure shoot through the roof.

Same here.

[jhoppa]

Originally Posted by Rasta_Man

I couldn't get past the second paragraph.

These kinds of articles make my blood pressure shoot through the roof.

The price of salvia in the first headshop is what sent my blood pressure up.

[darkshade619]

Here's one more thing that's going to get demonized by the media and ultimately illegalized. Such shit.

[duby]

cause one kid may or may not died, or commited suicide because he may or may not have been under the influence of salvia at the time it needs to be illegal? how bout we an McDonalds? how many people die of heart disease, diabetes, etc? maybe ban gun, etc. the list could go on forever. these people need to get their priorities straight.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by duby

cause one kid may or may not died, or commited suicide because he may or may not have been under the influence of salvia at the time it needs to be illegal? how bout we an McDonalds? how many people die of heart disease, diabetes, etc? maybe ban gun, etc. the list could go on forever. these people need to get their priorities straight.

Better yet, water floridation or aspertame.

[sinenomine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Chidester

There's some more info about the kid. At the time of death, he had no salvinorin in his system, he was a depressed kid, and salvia is an ANTIdepressant.
And Christ, this woman's writing style makes me nauseous

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by sinenomine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Chidester

There's some more info about the kid. At the time of death, he had no salvinorin in his system, he was a depressed kid, and salvia is an ANTIdepressant.
And Christ, this woman's writing style makes me nauseous

Wow, rep plus for posting this.

These sections really caught my attention.


And they decide to blame the diviner's sage; apparently parents dont have that much influence over a childs life.

Acne

Brett was suffering from acne which has a general association with depression and thoughts of suicide [19][20] [21][22]. To treat his acne, Brett was also taking minocycline which can have side effects that may impair thinking or reactions [23].

General depression

Brett's parents have conceded that he may have been suffering from general depression. [24]

Parental divorce

Brett's parents divorced when he was three. A study from the Research Data Centre program [25] published in the Journal of Marriage and Family found that children whose parents divorce show higher levels of depression, as well as higher levels of anti-social behaviour, than children whose parents remain married. [26]

[mooglemage]

i cant stand all that bullshit
i love how they say that "And although medical officials dispute whether he died directly because of salvia" its not disputed, there is NO evidence that the salvia killed him, or any one else, ever.
THERE WASNT EVEN ANY IN HIS SYSTEM.
also as posted above, he was on anti-acne medicaiton that is known to cause serious depression as a rare side effect.

i also like how they say the real danger is all the things people might do while under the influence, but they neglect to mention that the influence lasts 20 minutes tops.
there is so much bias and spin in this article its nauseating. I cant stand how the media can never take a stand against this kind of nonsense. they have to (not so) slyly support all the parents drug claims, because it would be insensitive and "radical" to lay the blame on the parents, and not on a drug.

[notbakedenough]

true dat hah, i cant help but love reading stuff with a lot of bias in it, this article isnt as bad as some i've read but still its pretty funny (not the kids death the bullshit)

[thrashersfan420]

stupid fucking hoes.

[zen_420]

yes, parents NEED to know about this DANGEROUS herb, because our children may be Laughing and Meditating; serious stuff.

[hondacrf150f1]

ive read about this shit on the internet, it clearly says "his parents had recently divorced" maby thats whaty he fucking killed himself...+ if he wasnt tripping when he did it, then the salvia has nothing to do with it!!!

This shit is amazingly expensive for a legal drug, $40-50 for a gram of 20X

[buddha_bob]

For those of you in MN, this is a great time to write your *STATE* representative (not your national representative in the US House) about bill HF2949 which would make Salvia illegal in MN.

Since it seems that some regulation is inevitable, it would be better to ban possession by <18 year olds than to ban it outright (as Maine has done). This was my suggestion. In this way, it might help placate the urge to pass a new law while still leaving the plant free & available to everyone -- even if certain people have to wait a few years to buy it. Taking a more principled stand that all naturally growing plants should be legal is a noble thing to do, but politics being what they are, that might just not be possible.

For those in MN, you can find your representative here:

http://geo.commissions.leg.state.mn....cts/start.html

-BB