Demolition Expert On WTC 7

[Rasta_Man]

you know what? neg rep.

That isnt even a sound argument of any kind.

All if illustrates is willful ignorance and a vast misunderstanding of the IMC

[weedzilla420]

i agree.
everytime the 9/11 conspiracy theories are mentioned on the news, it is in an effort to discredit the theories, every single god damned time.
they never really offer any credible evidence to back up their position. especially that glen beck asshole on cnn. he just says were all a bunch of paranoid freaks.
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER. 2+2=4 dumbass

[MelT]

As Bruce Ackerman, professor of law at Yale and author of Before the Next Attack: Preserving Civil Liberties in an Age of Terrorism, puts it:
"Buried in the complex Senate compromise on detainee treatment is a real shocker, reaching far beyond the legal struggles about foreign terrorist suspects in the Guantanamo Bay fortress. The compromise legislation, which is racing toward the White House, authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights."

As for the drill being carried out by NORAD and others on the day of 9/11, on the day of the London bombings of 7/7, the powers that be were also running a simulation of an attack on on the London Underground. At the same stations as the real bombs, at the same times.

I also have to ask if anyone has heard any more about the news that came out on the very morning of 9/11 before the WTC bombings, that the White House admitted that over $2, 000, 000, 000, 000 (that's Trillion) dollars in funding had disappeared and could not be accounted for?

MelT

[MelT]

http://www.dod.gov/speeches/2001/s20010716-secdef2.html

SEC. RUMSFELD: "Mr. Congressman, thank you very much. Your question is, of course, right at the heart of an enormously important issue for the Department of Defense. We have a panel in the Quadrennial Defense Review on this subject. We have met with it twice in the last two weeks. We're obviously going to have to meet with it again. It is a big, broad, complicated subject.

"As you know, the Department of Defense really is not in charge of its civilian workforce, in a certain sense. It's the OPM, or Office of Personnel management, I guess. There are all kinds of long- standing rules and regulations about what you can do and what you can't do. I know Dr. Zakheim's been trying to hire CPAs because the financial systems of the department are so snarled up that we can't account for some $2.6 trillion in transactions that exist, if that's believable. And yet we're told that we can't hire CPAs to help untangle it in many respects."

MelT

[General Blaze]

Originally Posted by adayinthelife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqrn5x2_f6Q&eurl=

"This is professional work, without any doubt."

I guess he must just have been smoking too much that day.

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it was one big demo, its messed up.

[sky dog]

This is laughable

Maddox's Best Page in the Universe hits the nail right on the head. I looked back at the first page to reevaluate the evidence presented. I'm as liberal as they come, but those grainy zoom shots of clouds of smoke and debris? I'm supposed to believe there are bombs in there because of the way a puff of ash looks?

It's like people want it to be a conspiracy. There's no question that Bush, Cheney and their cronies seized on this event and tried to use it to further their interests. Halliburton getting no-bid contracts, apparently Bush wanted a way to fuck Saddam since Sept. 12 and Afghanistan was his warm-up...

But consider the people working on this "inside" project. How the fuck do you keep them so quiet? Every one of them must be a hardcore Republican willing to fuck their own country to further their boss' political and financial agenda (which would not benefit them at all)

The real reason you never see any of these demolition experts on news shows? It's because they look funny in those tinfoil hats...

[weedzilla420]

past false flag ops have been carried out sucessfully w/o being caught until years later.

the reichstag in germany
the bay of tonkin
attack on the uss liberty

do some research before you claim it's impossible to pull of an ffo without the people involved spilling the beans.

[sky dog]

I never heard that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a "false flag op"

There were two alleged attacks, one where we were hit and one where we weren't. We chose to escalate the conflict over the wrong attack, but it was justified considering the other [real] one where they didn't take any action.

[Rasta_Man]

another good example is Operation Northwoods or the CIA finance of international drug trade. Or alternativley, as classic example is when Emporer Nero burned Rome and blamed the christians.

It's hard to understand the cliche rejection response turning to the words "conspiracy" and "paranoid", they've become such powerful words in out language.

The reality is, the premises of the 'conspiracy arguments' ARE true, nobody can deny globalism, and the coups and flase-flag ops conducted by the international intelligent communty over the last half-decade (CIA, MI6, ISI, Mossad)

If we know the premises of an argument are true, then it's only logical to know that the conclusion can be sound as well as valid. So I'm entirley oblivious to where this inital flagrant denile comes from.

And Anybody to mentions maddox as their primary source of disbleif are naive and ignorant. They dont bother to do their own independent research to validate anything said by the internet personality. His own explanation just demostrates a massive misunderstanding of how the international intelligent community opperates when in colusion with the IMC.

The argument is entirely a fallacy bassed on an appeal to authority... what little authority exists as a lowbrow, obscure internet personality. It sets up no kind of evidence and is entirey representative of childish refusal of facts and knowledge which your so accusitory of.

You need to learn and listen. Read man.

Learn about Mosadeq, learn about what happened in Nicaruaga, learn about what happened in Haiti and Panama.

[DirtyPete]

For the past 3 years I've been studying 9/11 and the police state which has been assembled prior to it. The only way I can describe how my opinions have changed is that "my eyes have been opened".

Rasta Man, every time I read you're replies to shit like this I want to give you +rep but I need to spread it around. You really know what you're talking about, and you do it while being objective too, not a looney conspiracy theorist like a lot of people who discredit the people who speak the truth.

What I want to say though, is regardless of whether 9/11 was an inside job or not, our government is still taking advantage of it and using it to take our liberties away, extremely rapidly.

[sky dog]

Originally Posted by Rasta_Man

If we know the premises of an argument are true, then it's only logical to know that the conclusion can be sound as well as valid.

So, the fact that U.S. agencies like the CIA have done shady things with secret prisons, political coups and puppet dictators...and the fact that 'false flag ops' is allegedly a useable tactic...combined with GWB's actions post 9/11, all come together to form a "sound" and "valid" theory that the CIA was behind the worst terrorist attack in America's history.

By the same token, couldn't I suggest that the U.S has in the past taken out unpopular leaders and replaced them (like with the Shah)...and Saddam Hussein was known to have several lookalikes, so I can draw a sound and valid conclusion that the man on trial right now is not Saddam Hussein, but a crafty lookalike who was drugged and stuffed in a hole by U.S. forces in order to look like the war was succeeding! I mean, if you don't believe that, you haven't done enough research. I have some comparison shots of Saddam's beard that will really make you think.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by sky dog

So, the fact that U.S. agencies like the CIA have done shady things with secret prisons, political coups and puppet dictators...and the fact that 'false flag ops' is allegedly a useable tactic...combined with GWB's actions post 9/11, all come together to form a "sound" and "valid" theory that the CIA was behind the worst terrorist attack in America's history.

By the same token, couldn't I suggest that the U.S has in the past taken out unpopular leaders and replaced them (like with the Shah)...and Saddam Hussein was known to have several lookalikes, so I can draw a sound and valid conclusion that the man on trial right now is not Saddam Hussein, but a crafty lookalike who was drugged and stuffed in a hole by U.S. forces in order to look like the war was succeeding! I mean, if you don't believe that, you haven't done enough research. I have some comparison shots of Saddam's beard that will really make you think.

I can see how that is responsible for me to explain

[MelT]

That governments worldwide can and do perform very large actions that we never hear about is beyond question. I can give a list of very large cover-ups here that our own government has *admitted* (these are far from being just conspiracy theories) - but the public are told that any investigations and prosecutions would be pointless!

Wars have been started, people have been murdered, masses of money has disappeared, and yet the perpetrators, our own government, continues to hold itself above the law and refuses us the right to both protest and investigate. No theories, no guesses based on shaky videos. Absolute proof and in some cases direct admissions of guilt; and yet nobody ever gets prosecuted. The odd Minister might loose his job and be put on a fat pension instead, but that's as far as it goes.

We're now the ONLY country in the EU that has vetoed our human rights with regard to 'innocent until proven guilty. Anyone at any time can now be arrested without a warrant under the Anti-Terrorist laws and be held *indefinitely* without charge or access to legal help. All of their posessions can be confiscated and never returned, even if you're subsequently set free.

The main reason that things have gone from bad to worse is that governments saw the power of protest during the 60's and 70's and have done everything to prevent people from being able to do it ever again. Protest on the scale it was at during those times changed the world, stopped wars, unjust taxes and apartheid. It worked. But, as soon as governments saw that they COULD actually be made accountable to the people they served they knew things had to change. They began to withdraw civil liberties and even went to the extent of openly shooting kids on campus for daring to protest. Our own police, shooting us??? People who just wanted to stand up and say that things weren't right in the world, being openly killed in the land of the free?

If they're prepared to do that then little things like killing a few thousand to warrant a larger war and define a new enemy - for the support of the arms and oil trades that net the Bush family millions of dollars a year from - is nothing. There is no accountablity. Even if you got Bush tomorrow and proved he was the murdering little shit he is, nothing would happen. A long court case, disappearance of evidence and a long retirement to live off the millions he and his government have removed from our pockets.

Be very afraid. Whether 9/11 and 7/7 were conspiracys or not isn't the question anymore. Where your civil liberties are going and why is the real concern.

Protest. Be heard.

MelT

[Rasta_Man]

oh yeah, and edward bernays. It's primary source proof of a shadow government.

[MelT]

An excerpt from: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/missing_money/

Petition To: The White House and Congress<SMALL>

More than $1.1 trillion of federal government money is missing. Our government leaders say they will not account for it. However finding this money could solve all of our federal, state and local budget crises.

Where is the Money?

The Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of the Inspector General has reported that HUD has not and will not account for $59 billion of "undocumentable adjustments."

The Department of Defense Office of the Inspector General has reported that DOD has not and will not account for $1.1 trillion of "undocumentable adjustments."

The "undocumentable adjustments" made by these government agencies are much like the balance adjustments many of us make when reconciling our checkbooks. Except that the amounts are staggering: California's share of the "undocumented adjustments" is $128 billion -- more than three times its current $35 billion budget deficit. The average American's share of the "undocumented adjustments" is almost $4,000 per person.

Where is the Money?

The fictional New Jersey mob family of The Sopranos television program has shown how some people make money by defaulting and foreclosing on HUD homes and destroying communities. Are the episodes of TV mobsters more informative about HUD operations than HUD financial statements?

A General Accounting Office report found that the U.S. Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units. Are planes, tanks and missiles running away from home?

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