OldPork's Outdoor Organic Compilation

[Corto Malteze]

This is a compilation of OP's 2008 thread. This grow guide is great for all marijuana gardeners, beginners or experts. Enjoy!

OldPork’s Outdoor Organic

White Widow Guide

2008

Compiled with OldPork’s permission by Corto Malteze. Copied from Grasscity Forums. Or “How to grow outdoor organic quality marijuana: sprouting, protecting the seedlings, soilless soil mix, fertilising, fimming, pests, security, staking, harvesting…



5-10

“It's been quite a past 24 hours. 3 inches of rain, and thunderstorms. So I covered them in 2 ply plastic. Before I put the stakes in I used the victorian lantern cloche lid, heavy as shit but cant use with the stakes. It's been a godsend to keep the little ones safe. Note the fishing line to keep pests out. Anyway there's gypsy moths around this time of year and one of the gypsy moth caterpillars munched on some baby pot leaves. I think I caught it in time and the seedling should make it. I went straight to get aluminum tape cause caterpillars are unable to cross it.

The foil tape is doing a great job keeping the gypsy moth caterpillars off. I am gonna wait till maybe June till they go in the ground

Yesterday I noticed some of the new leaves on two plants were deformed, all curly. So I looked closer and noticed little green winged bugs on the stem just under the new leaves...a goddamn aphid attack. So off to the garden store for a product called Concern...an all purpose organic pyrethrum-based insecticide. It seems to have done the trick...no more aphids.

The first two months is like baby sitting

I am gonna try to keep em in these pots for another 2-3 weeks before transplanting into the ground. Too much rain this time of year can drown them if I move to ground too early.

6-3

They have a lots of good homemade worm castings from my worm bin in there too. I just topped em to get em going OUT instead of UP. Jeez both the AK and the WW are fast fucking growers and love organics.
Fuckin-A baby, it's oldpork's grow...this seasons gonna rock.

Well had to stay home from work to transplant two AK-47s that were in standing water after the downpour last night. The holes I chose for them were too swampy so I pulled them outta the muck and now they are back in buckets filled with Promix, blood/bone meal, and of course wormshit. I throw a handful of Espoma's Garden-Tone in there too. I know from experience, a full 24 hours in standing water will drown a plant. I saved em because they look good tonight after 97F heat.

This is a dirty business were in.

A FUCKING DAMAGING HAILSTORM HIT. 15 terrible minutes of driving fucking hail the size of large marbles, slamming into my cars and MY PLANTS...yet they survived...all eight. HOW? Because I staked them up. A few got some fan leaves knocked right off, some fan leaves look like swiss cheese, but as I said before, there is no stopping these ladies. There is no main stem damage so the harvest has been saved...at least for today.[IMG]file:///C:/Users/Fattoum/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

6-21
Tonight I trimmed the growing tips and dressed the soil surface with some Espoma Gardentone, a nice organic fertilizer which contains all the necessary trace elements. It's good stuff.

I stored the seeds with banana peels to increase the odds of getting girls and I think it works.

If it's gypsy moth caterpillars eating your leaves you can put aluminum tape around the stem, they wont cross it. Just keep the backing on the tape, don't stick it to the plant, just wrap it around to make a cylinder. Some growers use garlic and onion solution as organic bug spray, but you can find safe stuff at the garden store. Depends on what bug you are fighting. For powdery mildew in late flower I use 10% milk in water and mist this on the plant once or twice a week.

I always grow my non-femmed plants in pots till they show sex and then put them in the ground...real estate in the magic spot is at a premium.

Truth be known I learned to go easy on adding shit as long as they look healthy. But yes I like to add epsom salts sparingly.

Plants just get huge in the magic spot where I plant them. The spot is like a rainforest and the soil has a natural moisture to it. It gets sun from 9-3 and faces the southern sky where it sees the sun arc. I fertlized the holes where I plant them in January with manure, blood meal, bone meal, a handful of espoma gardentone for trace elements. I start them in 3 gal pots that have a soil mix of promix-bx and 10-20% homegrown wormcastings, wjhen the roots formed in the container I then sunk them in the holes with more wormcastings. On that beautful AK-47 I stuck a bunch of fish heads and guts about 2 inches under the ball.

I don't know man they just seem to get HUGE here. I do know that I put a load of trout heads under the runt AK47...and it is no longer the runt. I wont ever plant another one without fish 2 inches under the ball. I fed them some fish emulsion and a few doses of Superthrive. Early on in the 3 gal pots they were in homegrown worm castings and promix, which is mostly peat. I am sure there are compost worms in there too making castings. A little bone and bloodmeal added and a dose of epsom salt for Mg. Also a handful of Espoma GardenTone. Also mulch and fim your plants they get bigger and bushier.

7-26 No I stopped fimming about 10 days ago. I am just gonna let em finish up now. Let nature do its thing. Thats why you gotta fim em early and often, thats where all those heads came from

Fimming is clipping off the very young growing tips so two growing tips replace the one you cut off. I fim often when they are young so I get lots of tops. Once they start getting close to flowering then I stop.

On all my plants I use soft masonry string to wrap the entire circumference of the plant two or three times so that if strong winds blow, the branches will move in unison. This prevents the plant from splitting at the internodes.

8-10
I fed them a little organic bloom boost today, some seabird guano mixed with bone meal.

Fimming to me is removing the very little growing tips to get two of them for each pinch. Topping is some brutal thing involving hacking like the top foot or so off a poor plant. Just several fimmings are all you need to get a nice canopy like I have. It's really important to fim, just stop when the growing tips start to alternate which is right before they form buds. Fimming increases my yield by 100% I estimate. Yes my friend, DOUBLE YIELDS.


Yes the lush canopy is from fimming 3 or 4 times. With these plants you gotta take control of the grow and maximize your yield...fimming is the key

8-15. No molasses yet, but soon. I tossed a few handfuls of High Phosporus Dry-Bar Cave Bat Guano (3-10-1) mixed with a little bone meal on them. I feed them worm casting tea and fish emulsion too. I think I am going to just give water for the rest of the week, sometimes just water is all they need.

That 10-54-10 [fertilizer] shit will give you big strong buds, I used something similar one year and got HUGE buds, but I think organic tastes better and smokes smoother, so my last few grows have been mostly organic.


8-22
Plants range from 6-7ft for the AK and average about 9ft for the WW!
Three white widows all about 9 feet. They are like clones of each other. I imagine they wont get much taller as they are into flower now and will probably start hanging from the weight of the tops. Keep in mind these are stretchier plants than the bushier AK-47.


8-24
Now as far as AK-47 and it's legendary odor...it is the white widow that is stinking up my garden. Take one whiff of one of these WW buds and you can't even smell the AK. Judging by appearance and smell, this is gonna be a killer smoke. Perhaps I will take a few early buds soon to confirm that.

The buds are not just on the growing ends, but they are running down the branches...I will take more photos tonight. In that regard, this plant acts like more like a sativa, as opposed to the indica trait of forming clumps of dense buds at the internodes. Yes I would love it of these WW would be shorter and more compact, but ya get what ya get! On the positive side, the stretchiness of this plant allows for good airflow between branches, which may help with outdoor mold issues.


8-29
You may just want to ease up on the nutes, the plant's root system is becoming mature and less able to absorb your feedings. It's time for the yellowing in some strains. That is nothing more than the plant pumping all it's goodness into those fragrant buds. If you just let nature takes its course you'll enjoy a more flavorful smoke.
Give her a little molasses and let her finish. You've been good to her...soon she'll be good to you.

No the bud taste came from those chemical nutes that I used in the early days...big fat colas, but nasty taste. I use organics now and for the last 3 weeks, nothing but molasses and water. My smoke is smooth and tasty now.

Yes, I definitely think that trich development really kicks into high gear after I feed molasses. I feed a tablespoon per gallon. I also think it smooths out the flavor of the finished product.

I think you would be fine with as little as 5 hours of direct sun. This plant is gonna turn white and nothing is gonna stop it. It's more in the genetics than the sunlight. Fim as soon as you can to try and keep the stretch down. This widow really smells, even worse than AK-47, I have them growing side by side and I can tell you the white widow has a MUCH stronger smell.

The buds seem to be developing nicely way up there and as I said the airflow is not constricted. Amazing how nature knows best! This is a great plant. I know I said early on that I was a little disappointed with this plant, but now I feel just the opposite.

9-6
These mamas could be as little as 3 weeks away. For maximum potency, I like to let them go as long as I can, well into October if possible, but I can see me harvesting the first round of buds as early as end of September. These babies are finishing very rapidly, and I would like to spread out the work of harvesting over several weeks, gonna be a big job!

OK boys, some of you are gonna be real sad come Sunday morning if you don't listen up to the Pork right now. Go out there right now and drive a stake in the ground and tie those tall ladies up tonight. There is a good chance of strong wind and rain in some areas of the country this weekend. No need to be shy or gentle...have a Friday night beer or five and then get your asses out there and drive a stake in the ground and tie those bitches up. Make sure you wrap the whole plant and not just the main stalk. If you wrap the whole plant the branches move in unison and the plant wont split at the main internodes. And using this method you can always add another stake for double strength by just feeding it down through the middle. In the pics below you can see all I did was add a stake and I didn't even have to disturb the root system.


9-4

Well the storm is over and all plants are still standing tall. Seems like that frost is waterproof because it sure didn't wash off! I see these babies are finishing quickly so I cleaned and prepped my drying spot by spreading out my drying screens so when the times comes I'll be ready to cut, manicure and dry.

I fed them a mixture of worm castings (from my own vermicomposting bin), fish emulsion, superthrive and high P bat guano, I also fed a little epsom salt a couple times. The worm castings are like a greasy black paste the shit is so concentrated and teeming with humic and fulvic acids.

The fuckin slugs are back and hungry! With the rain and cooler evenings they are back. I found several small ones on my plants...those bastards are smart...they climbed up the new stakes I just put in the ground and they were hiding at the areas where the stake rested against the stalk of the plant. They know they can't cross the copper rings I have around the stalks of the plants but since the new stakes were outside the ring, the climbed up. Well anyway I destroyed them all and then wrapped aluminum tape around the base of the stake and flared the bottom edges so they cant climb up anymore. One year I lost a plant due to a single large slug that ate a ring around the main stalk of the plant.



9-10

Genetics is everything. If you're gonna bust your ass raising these, buy some good seeds from the professionals that will finish in your environment.
Location is everything also. I think Greenmeany said it in another post, find a spot on the side of a hill that captures some runoff but where the water doesn't settle. That spot preferably on a tree line, with a full view of the southern sky where the sun arcs.

Be stealthy. Don't try to get greedy and plant too many plants. Know your limitations as far as being cool. I can only handle 6 monster plants a year without blowing it. Use the copperwire and use the bamboo stakes and the masonry string. They are a must for the outdoor grow. Yes a 10% milk water misting is every effective and organic as far as keeping powdery mildew at bay when the nights get cool in the fall. A spray right on the affected areas right before a good rain clears it right up and last a good week. I let the fan leaves do their jobs and remove them only when they are brown and dead. The buds nourishment draw directly from the leaves. I never cut any. Prepare the soil months in advance but dont overdo it with crap. A little blood and bone meal and some promix-bx, maybe a few handfuls of organic goat shit...the worms will eat the manure over the course of a couple months. When planting, grow in 3 gal pots and wait till they show sex and then transplant. Use more Promix and 20% worm castings in your transplant mix. Before you sink the plant in the hole put some fish heads and guts in the hole...I think a whole fish is fine, and it doesn't have to be rotten. Just put it a couple inches under the plant...the results will amaze you. I am lucky enough to have a worm bin which produces some really rich black pasty stuff that I make tea with. Sometimes I add a capful of Superthrive and a good dose of fish emulsion. Other times a handful of high P dry bar cave bat guano in the tea. When watering let the soil dry out on the surface and never water right before a day of rain. I water in the morning only. Twice a season I use a tablespoon of epsom salt in 2 gals of water. I fert with recommended dosages only and I fert every third watering on the avg. I never foliar feed except to mist with milk to combat PM. Foliar feeding is good to rescue a plant that is nute deficient but otherwise will cause more problems than good. Use lots of mulch if you can. Water and molasses only in the last 3 weeks. Just remember a little goes a long way so don't think overfeeding will make huge plants...it will make dead plants.




9-12

I just use Promix BX (found at many garden stores...mostly peat) and about 20% worm castings with a cup of blood meal and a cup of bone meal. Then I fert with what I said in my previous post. I mix it in with the native soil when I transplant. When flowering starts I use high P bat guano in water...a handful every so often. I keep the nitrogen up with fish emulsion and I like to add a 1/2 teaspoon of Superthrive now and then. As I said I think it is mostly genetics that makes the diff then location. Look at these white beauties.


OK Boys today is Harvest moon. I sampled the white widow today in a bong and that's it. The high is unbelievable. At one point I took a hit and it almost knocked me out. I felt everything closing in and for a second I was really scared, thinking I was gonna black out...I could feel my pulse on top of my fuckin head! WHOA... this is come of the best pot I ever smoked, and it's not even cured. Great flavor too~
So now I do believe I am gonna begin to cut and bag the big buds that are done and let the buds below the canopy get a little more light and continue to ripen. I know it's early but I don't wanna kill myself trying to get it all done at once. Here is a little pic of the first bud.


OK friends, take a good look. These white widows will never look this good again. From now on, I'll be cutting and trimming several colas per day. But go ahead and just look at these beauties in their prime. These are the most powerful plants I ever grew or smoked...I tried some today in a bong, it is just unbelievable how good this smoked, like medicinal shit, tremendous flavor and not harsh in the least. From now on I will be hard pressed to smoke or grow anything else but white widow. This stuff is the shit.

9-15

Oh...funny thing...I have so much yield that I found two half full shopping bags sitting out in the open...I completely forgot about them...that's dangerous but I guess that's what I get for toking before trimming.

The AK grew well and is healthy but the buds are not nearly as dense and not nearly as goopy and trich laden. The high is not near as joyous and soaring. The AK is also prone to bud rot as I have had to sacrifice a few nuggs. But that was after the rain and now it is in check. Despite it's thick dense gooey buds, the WW is very mold and rot resistant compared to the AK. It also finishes earlier...it is Mid September and my WW is ripe as can be. The WW nuggs have to weigh at least twice as much as the AK. These nuggs weigh and feel like someone soaked them in motor oil! And now that I am in harvest mode the yield is also twice as much. The WW is easy to manicure too. The AK is full of these large false seed pods, which I don't like...the WW has none of that. I know early on I thought the AK was better in the garden, but I fully retract that...the WW is a far superior plant that shows it true colors after flowering.

9-17

Basically I feed fish emulsion throughout to keep up the nitrogen, a few doses of Superthrive, and generous helpings of bat guano. I have a worm bin and I use these thick black castings to make a tea which is just teeming with fulvic and humic acids, basic building blocks for trich-laden buds.


Nope no critters using fish emulsion. The deer come around when I use molasses, but they never bother a thing. If you look at the very start of this thread, you'll see I take all precautions against critters while the plants are small, but once they reach a couple feet tall they're pretty much good to go.

The WW were indeed very early finishers...a couple weeks earlier than even the AK47. I started them in late April and they were in the ground around June 1 so they have had a long grow season. This plant is a grower's dream.

1. Early finisher
2. Heavy sticky QUALITY buds (very dense and white like snow)
3. Mold/Rot resistant, amazingly so when you consider how dense these buds are
4. Easy to manicure...just cut off the fan leaves
5. Large ass yield
6. Unbelievably great high...powerful feel good high (It's all in the trichs!)
7. Non harsh great tasting and aromatic smoke...a few hits and you're soaring


I am after the buds and the buds on this plant are best ever as far as texture, appearance, flavor and above all....potency. I have grown many strains but never ever a plant close to this. This is the dream pot of the century bro.

Around 6 hours per day is all. From 9:30 till 3:30. As soon as the things started flowering they were white with trichs, I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. I'm more of a believer than ever in genetics.

Both my WW and AK showed sex extremely early this year, by June 22! That is unprecedented. Maybe it's because they were in pots. My strategy this year was to keep them in pots until I knew for sure before I had them take up valuable real estate. All in all I am extremely pleased with the way the grow went this year. I still have lots of large buds on the AK-47 and they are continuing to fill out nicely. I figure about 5 more hours of trimming till they are stripped naked. I want to bring in all the WW buds first as they are the most desirable. I have a some branch nuggs on the WW plants yet and will let them go into mid October.

9-28

I started those seeds outdoors in late April.

I would say the WW does well with just an average feeding regimen. I used promix and a handful of blood/bone meal, with 20% worm castings when I transplanted into 3 gallon pots. They did fine in there, but I transplanted into the ground around July 1. I would recommend a MUCH larger container for you if you are not going into the ground. At least 10 gallons pots. You will be better off growing just a couple in very large pots than more in small pots. In pots go easy on the nutes and try to stay organic because pots are much less forgiving when it comes to nute burn.

. I was gonna suggest 25 gallon containers. I have some too. They're really perfect. The roots get too warm in anything smaller. Don't send to your grow spot if at all possible.


I guestimate these to be about one third of my total haul off of six plants this year (for next pic).

When I transplant into the ground I put raw fish heads and guts under the ball. My transplant mix is Promix BX and 20% worm castings with bone and blood meal mixed in with the native soil. I add a tablespoon of epsom salts twice per season, it helps with trich formation. I fert with fish emulsion and worm casting tea. (I have a worm bin). I also use Superthrive for those essential trace elements. I add bat guano when flowering starts and keep up with the fish emulsion.


White Widow, sum of 3 plants
1.63 pounds
26 ounces
737 grams
White Widow, per plant
.54 pounds
8.67 ounces
246 Grams

AK-47, sum of 2 plants
1.09 pounds
17.5 ounces
496 grams
AK-47, per plant
.55 pounds
8.75 ounces
248 grams

The buds were getting pretty large and I wanted to get them before bud rot and frost reared their ugly heads. I was able to get all it in before the first frost which was just 2 nights ago. An early frost ruined one of my plants last year. It was a very light frost but I could see that it popped most of the trichs with my hand microscope.

I will say this...I have never seen a plant so frosty white and trich laden as the GHS White Widow, you saw the pics but I wish you could feel the texture of the buds. Its unbelievable. And the way it smokes so smooth, slow and even. And that wonderful hashy aroma says to the world that you are smoking a man's strain. No grinch weed for you. I'm gonna be real hard pressed to grow anything else. Nothing I ever grew even compares. more trichs=better high and this plant was bred to produce trichs to the point that it looks like someone dumped sugar on them.

Also, I would mulch the hell out of those mountain plants. I think a lot of people overlook the fact that a good four inches of mulch will sustain their plants between waterings and make them much bigger and better, which of course translates into bigger better colas

The only other thing I need to stress is stealth at all costs. One false move and there goes your grow and for some folks it means big legal costs and employment problems. A grower must resist the urge to visit his spot unless the time is right and be very quiet about his activities


… Where I had buried a fish, the root system was very nicely developed...just huge root balls I had to hack up. I turned over each hole with a shovel and will soon fortify the soil with some bone and blood meal, and a good manuring. By spring, these same holes will be crawling with manure worms, and the soil then will be prepared by nature for my 2009 grow. I think some of us are forgetting that our hobby is a year round enjoyment. I hate when I hear some folks making posts that bemoan the fact that their grows went south, when it was their own lack of planning and preparedness that screwed them. Or worse yet, the beggars that want some free herb that I had to sweat to grow. No nooo...To reap the bounty one must do the hard work.

The only thing I would add is to check the pH levels with a decent pH probe...only $10 at most garden centers. MJ likes 6.5-6.8. I add the wormcastings when I plant...10-15 percent is good. Also, from now on I will be putting a whole fish about an inch or 2 under the ball when put the plants in the ground which I do aroung July 1.

Promix is mostly peat. I would BLEND it in with your soil now but do not change the consistency of the natural soil too much. The reason I say this is because if the natural soil is mostly clay, water will tend to sit in the hole if the hole is filled with mostly peat. Careful there. Put only the manure (maybe half a shovelful), 1.5 cups bone and 1 cup blood meal in the hole now and loosen up the soil. The worms will be in there come spring and they will come naturally. They eat the manure. Around April 20, I pop seedlings in promix in solo cups outside. Then when they bottom out on the solo cups, I move them to 3 gallon pots filled with promix and 15% wormcastings, and a little of the natural soil from where they will go in the ground. I keep them in there and feed them fish emulsion. Then finally I put them in the ground on top of a whole fish, around July 1. I add a little more peat, wormcastings, bone and blood meal at that point but DONT overdo it. Be conservative. After transplanting, I water with a half teaspoon of Superthrive per gallon of water to help them get established and ease the transition. Superthrive also adds some beneficial trace elements. I use it once every 3 weeks or so after that in the same concentration. Dont mulch the plants till after they get established in the ground, put about 3 inches of mulch on top of the soil to keep the moisture in. After that I feed with fish emulsion, and wormcastings tea, and sometimes I sprinkle bat guano on top of the mulch. I can't stress enough GO EASY on the ferts.

To tell you the truth, the key is in the genetics of your seed and the location of your holes. They need to get 5 hours direct sun per day minimum.

[does 50% peat sound good?]

yes I would say 50% would be good.

As far as the manure, I buy composted manure, and I always check for smell and texture. I like stuff that smells like manure, and is dark and rich, some of the stuff they sell is dry and has no smell at all. I like the manure to still be a little ripe. Go easy on it. This stuff does not decompose as quickly as you might think, last spring the hole still smelled like manure and I added it months before. The worms are attracted to it and further refine it so the nutes can be absorbed by the roots.”

That’s all folks! Thank you OldPork.

[OldPork]

Hey Corto, what an honor. This is great. I just highlighted, copied and pasted the text into a Word document and it kept all the formatting and everything, 11 pages of a great outdoor journal that can be saved to your hard drive. Very cool and thanks!
Peace bro, your pal Pork

[Corto Malteze]

My pleasure! And, actually, thank you. I thougth growing mj was digging a hole, mixing in some compost, and watering with chemicals. Thanks to your precise (and free!) excellent tips, I have much more knowledge on how mj works. I am really looking forward to next year's organic grow. You're the man Mr. Pork!

[OldPork]

Originally Posted by Corto Malteze

You're the man Mr. Pork!

Now you're giving me too much credit. I just like to consider myself "One of the boys" around this garden paradise.

[Harry Balzonya]

Awesome stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Corto,thanks Pork !

[ElDiablo]

Hell yes! thanks Corto!

[BIG_WANG]

absolutely phenomenal.

thanks corto

and THANK YOU pork for a great show.

enjoy the fruits of your labor

[OldSkool1010]

Thanks for compiling this. There are a lot of excellent gardeners here.

[Dr Lowtie]

Old pork,
If you are going to bury a fish without composting it first, make sure to blend it with some water and mollases (i use trout i catch on my fly pole). This will help it decompose faster and reduce the chance of spreading disease to the plant. If you are goin to bury a fish, gut it! the guts will produce nasty gases that do not help the plant to grow. You can bury a fish, guts and all if you compost it first. Hope this helps, just lookin out. The journal is great
Edit: yopu can compost or bury the guts also just not inside the fish

[Corto Malteze]

Thanks guys, and OP! Yeah this info is truly informative and extensive. Thanks for not being cheap on your great outdoor organic techniques and knowledge. Can I hope for 250g / plant? I'll keep my fingers crossed. 2009 will be great thanks to you and all other GC members!

[Dr Lowtie]

If you have a sunny location you should easily get 250g outdoor Remember not to over complicate things! make sure you let the plants have plenty of room to expand

[Corto Malteze]

Originally Posted by Dr Lowtie

If you have a sunny location you should easily get 250g outdoor Remember not to over complicate things! make sure you let the plants have plenty of room to expand

Thanks man. Good luck to you too.

[patriofarmer]

Originally Posted by Corto Malteze

. Can I hope for 250g / plant?

Corto I'm betting that with all the info you have and your climate you can bet on a few.

[Corto Malteze]

Originally Posted by patriofarmer

Corto I'm betting that with all the info you have and your climate you can bet on a few.

Yeah Patrio. I have crazy weather here man. Basically it's almost only sun. I can't count on any rain though! You guys have similar weather in the US. It's identical to California here. I am really lucky. Too bad I can't grow at home. Oh well, you can't have it all (except in Spain lol). I kind of like the guerilla part anyway. It makes it that much thrilling if/when you get to harvest. I better represent GC well this summer after all you guys taught me.

[Corto Malteze]

For Comanche. See OP's thread for the pictures. Those are some bad ass plants.