My 2 Plants. 1 is SICK! PICS! Help! Plz!

[Cdiggs]

Hello GC, (sorry for posting here, but I didn't get any feedback in the PestControl forum)

So I have 2 plants, both in basically the same home mixed soil.

The soil is made up of : Peat Moss, Potting Soil, Horse Manure, SeaSoil, Perlite, Lime for pH.

Plants get plenty of sun.

I am fertilizing with 5-1-1 Organic Fish Ferts.. I think I fed them 2 much so I've slowed down and lowered the dosage. However, I dont believe that is the reason for the mid yellowing of the one plant.

I recently transplanted into that pot in the picture, it was in a much much smaller pot until yesterday.

I suspect it is a pH problem. The pot I had it in before had NOT been bufffered by lime. So for the new pot I added maybe 2-3 tablespoons of Lime to hopefully balance the Ph.

Sorry the pic is not perfect.

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What do you guys think?
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[DierWolf]

Plant to the left looks like its dieing for water. and from the looks of the soil in both pots they both suffering from the same thing, underwatering.

Plant to the right has a difficiency..... you really need to get a ph meter, 2-3 tablespoons of lime could send whatever amount of water you mixed it with way down below 6 ph which is not good.

also suggest you use a more balanced fertilizer, something liek 10,10,10 or 20,20,20 so the plant has all the nutrients it requires.

[Cdiggs]

Hey man cheers for the quick response.

I know I watered them that night, I really think I water them enough. And I want to stay organic and not have to go chem. They have seasoil+horse manure and im fertilizing, I believe they are getting a suffient amoutn of nutes.

But your right, I should get a ph tester but fuck it. I really doubt I am gonna do that.. Unless the problem continues and makes it worse..

Also, the LEFT plant usually looks all perky and nice.. But the RIGHT on seems to always be some what wilted.. and Im quite sure its not lack of water.

Thx again for the reply!

[jonster]

they look a little under cared for, i suggest watering more often, the top layer of soil in a bucket that large should not look as bone dry as that on the right, though the plants physical appearance tells me they arn't lacking water too badly. flaten out that soil on the right plant. that yellowing looks like it happened earlier in the plants life, but new growth is green and thats all you can do. what did you pay for that green bucket? those are what i have, keep slugs away and grow huge marijuana plants, but rather expensive.

[Cdiggs]

Thx for the reply!

I paid about 25$ for the green bucket..

I need to put a bit more soil in the bucket on the right(green one)..

I've been watering them every 2-3 days (depending on the weather) and giving them 2.5 litres each time. Should it be more?

Like I mentioned, I was ferting a lot then the plant began to yellow so I slowed down the dosage, but now Im starting to increase the dosage back to normal because the plants are bigger and in bigger pots


Any other suggestions / commnets????

Thx again you guys..

[jonster]

sounds like your doing an ok job,

always keep atleast the bottom 1 ft of soil moist, you dont want it completely drying out, otherwise next time you water, the top 5 inches will only get wet, and there won't be enough water underneath the plant, and extreme wilting you'll experience. water 1-2 gallons per pot, don't worry about drenching the soil, it's fine if the top 2-3 inches is dry, overwatering is simply frequent watering, constant moisture without drying out and letting the plant breathe. polymer crystals can be used to cut down watering frequency.

make sure you fert using 20/20/20 for vegetation which is 18/6, then switch ferts, 10/30/15 for flower, which is 12/12. or even go out and buy some general hydroponics floraseries, contains every nutrient for mj growth, and increases bud size and yield.

[Cdiggs]

Jonster! Thx so much for the reply.. seems like there is a serious lack of action on this site compared to OG.

So, 2-3 gals. per pot eh? Sounds good.

Watering is not a problem.. so do you think this will be the best way?
I know you want to completely soak the soil..

And still, I am not going to go chemical.. I have morals Organic I stay! But thx for the concern.

I have a chem flowering fert but I highly doubt that I will use it.. Ill just go out and buy some organic flowering fert

I will give you guys an update (pictures) in a few days to see if the plant on the RIGHT has gotten any better / worse.

Thx AGAIN!

[Spanishfly]

Late lamented OG.

[jonster]

-if yellowing happened when the plant was small, it's fine because new growth is green
-if yellowing is recent, it's ph is off, so be alert for nutrient lockout, or it's a fert/nutrient defficiency problem.

if your sunrise-sunset is now below 18 hours and dropping, cut the n ferts, focus on flower,

i recommend floraseries, "organic" is a subject of intense debate, each u.s. state has it's own regulations for labeling shit as "organic". unrefined minerals are recognized as "organic", but contain quantities of impurities, some of which are toxic to plants. for this reason, floraseries is made of high quality refined minerals, for high quality crop production, but prevents the crop from being considered "organic". in containers, organic ferts break down more slowly then inorganic ferts, which may be a drawback if you want plants that will grow quickly and put on a big display for a single season. so why is it that you don't like inorganic ferts like floraseries ?

[Four-Two-Zero]

looks like not enough water

[Cdiggs]

Hey jonster,

I guess I just like the idea of growing 100% natural.. I live in Canada and the fert says its organic and is made from fish guts, but you seem to know a lot more about the subject..

I would much rather do something like growing a herb that is high in N and make my own fert, but this is the best I can do at the time..

This is purely for self-use and chemicals are just so unappealing.. I try and eat mostly organic aswell..

I will get some new pics soon to show exactly how the plant is doing, because the outline of some fairly new growth is starting to yellow but she still looks good, not grwoing as fast as the other one either

So yea I will defaintly try and get some pics soon..

Thx everyone!

[jonster]

if the problem continues, you have to realize your method is the cause.

how long have you been growing those plants ?

chem ferts are perfectly fine and healthy if soil is flushed before harvest,

do you even know whats bad about them ?

your marijuana plant doesn't care if the nitrogen it's feeding on came from a compost pile or a test tube.

inorganic ferts work fast, something an mj plant thrives on, which is probably why your plants are so small,

you should be cutting the n and focusing on flower now. im not saying organic is bad, it's healthy for the

environment, which inorganic isn't, but the plants/yield never seems to be as big.

[Cdiggs]

Okay, updates finally.. I think everything is looking better. So hopefully the dolomite lime evened out the pH a bit.

Its been hot lately so I've been watering every 2 days during the night time about 1-2 gallons each.

The pot on the right is still not growing as fast as the one on the left.. but that may just be strain difference..

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[jonster]

looking much better and more cared for (transplanting and root growth) , the structure of the plant is how

it tends to grow, the bushier the bushier it grows, mabe short, but mabe more yield. also lighting can be a

factor and aviously strain can be a factor for people who think of strange unplausible situations, but

those look like they're the same strain, and in your case root bound is a deffinate factor.

good luck keep it up, those green pots are great for mj, it'll start to shoot rapidly upwards dont worry,

be happy, if not then outwards, and then if not, blame the slow nutrient breakdown in organic ferts.

[Spanishfly]

Originally Posted by Cdiggs

I would much rather do something like growing a herb that is high in N and make my own fert, but this is the best I can do at the time..

See my thread on making fert from Russian comfrey.

But not sure what you mean by a herb that is high in N.