suicide blamed on salvia.

[SubPop79]

Became illegal here in Virginia on July 1.

[ISmokeRock]

I threw out the rest of my 20x salvia because it was too fucking crazy to keep fucking with. I think it really made me break through to another dimension, but it is far too crazy to have on a daily basis. Once you break through I think that is all you need. It is a self limiting drug that in the usage you will limit yourself when you realize what you are using it for. there is very little chance of abusing salvia and only if you use it in a retarded way, ie youtube idiots.

I was in a state of severe depression when I took salvia and I think it has helped me work through some amazing parts of my life, only when you take it as a medicine and as an herb and not just something to get wasted on for 10 minutes or so, then do you only use salvia correctly and in a responsible way.

[chronicman00]

To kill himself while sober sounds like he had some sort of mental illness perhaps schizophrenia?

[BlazedBoy21]

Now its Illegal in Florida as well since July 1st

[I MarriedJuanna]

hey DEA i got a deal for ya, Salvia for weed, deal??

[wheres my bud!]

i almost killed myself too when i started smokin weed twice a day. i cant explain it to you but i felt the same as him. it goes so much deeper than you would be able to think. i knew it was a genuine experience because how else would i know the quantum workings of the universe if i had no prior knowledge to the subject? I'm cussing at myself trying to explain it but it is just way to deep to explain through words unless you're terrence mckenna, for words are form and consciousness is content without form, understand? i would have killed myself (for the better of my being) it weren't for my family, so i coped with this illusion full of madness. because really what do you live for? a sports car, high paying job, good grades or computer? those don't make you happy forever, i know a multi millionaire with everything and he is extremely depressed. to be truly happy you do literally nothing at all. that place you go to when high on salvia is not "real", but doesn't mean it's not conscious. that place is better than here and i think if everyone smoked weed and salvia it would be a much better place where we wouldn't need drugs any more. just a trip in my life don't have to agree with it

[wheres my bud!]

oh shit i read the schizophrenia post now and my family has a history... .................................................. ......... shit i could be CrAZie.

watch schizophrenic or shamanic by terrence mckenna on youtube. it's pretty interesting.


but really this could be bad for me my uncle is and i have problems talking to ppl on account of my immense paranoia.

[rian m1]

i havent tryed the stuff so i cant be sure but from the storys and things im told from some pretty good friends is if u start having a bad trip u will soon start having a horribl one. sorta dont believe this one but some on said that theyre cuz like needs the stuff like hes addicted

[13ronin]

Originally Posted by wheres my bud!

because really what do you live for? a sports car, high paying job, good grades or computer? those don't make you happy forever, i know a multi millionaire with everything and he is extremely depressed. to be truly happy you do literally nothing at all.

I always looked at the whole point of life is to overcome the challenge. It goes like this. We are a simple minded species inside an envelope of organic matter. We are thrust into society; one that demands certain ineffable and intangible accomplishments. That in and of itself lends itself to one idea. There is no "reality." Reality is only in our minds. Take a conversation for instance. What information is passed between two people is based as much on intangible language like body language, tone of voice, facial expressions etc as actual speech. It is up to us to properly interpret that info and keep moving on in the conversation. Reality is simpley OUR perception based on our interpretations of what our senses can tell us. That being said, anything that alter our perception (weed, alcohol, salvia, X, anything) is going to alter our views of reality. Its our job as humans to undertand/learn/and filter out any effects that may be had on our perception for ANY reason and continue on.

Next. Where's my bud!; You are 100% right that making money and all the earthly b.s. isn't a ticket to happiness and I too have known many rich people who are mean and angry bitter depressed people. But that is because they do not focus on anything but the world that is material. Its the imaterial that matters; and I thinkour "purpose." We must live. That is our job no matter what someone believes about a better place being out there; we are not there and were not placed there so it is our purpose to live until sent to the other place naturally. why? because there is so much to learn here. That's where I think people fuck it up. They try to learn everything from text books and what they're told in church. They don't think and question "why" about the text book and the don't ask "why" at church. Doing things like this has enriched me greatly. I still go to church (though I am far from a literal follower) and I stil read and study (for knowledge; I'm graduated from college now). Because of things like this material wealth is more fun and not pointless and the simple things in life are the most important. Making my wife smile because I brought her home a balloon one day on my way home from work are those kind of simple things. enriching the world around you is what matters. Smiling to people matters. Being extra nice to the gas station attendant matters. You might just be the highlight of their day. And when I get in my car (2008 civic SI) I melt into the seat. I run through the gears and smile and think "I love this car." In short; our life is material. we are physical beings in a physical world and are meant to stay that way as long as possible. That's the point of life; not dying! Therfor material things cannot be dismissed. On the other hand, we are also required to explore the intangible and enrich ourselves in that manner as well. Perhaps there is something else out there; if so then we need to gain wisdom and peace or we are unfit for it.

Just my 2 or 3 cents. Take heart Wheres my bud!. It may seem pointless at times but the challenge of survival and the wisdom that brings is our purpose here. And since reality is our own perception; it can change. You can learn to make the world what you want it to be just by changing you perspective. When you boss pisses you off you could say to yourself "what an asshole! I shouldn't have to take that shit!" or you can say to yourself "someone needs a nap!. lol" and brush it off. The second make life a lot more fun. And it is as simple as that. Its a skill that takes time, but you can learn it. I have.

Ok, I'm done. Peace out blades.

[robberty]

So this kid decided to smoke salvia every night because its legal? I think most drug users would not do this because they know how much its fucking you up. If this kid had just tried smoking weed he probably would not have committed suicide in my opinion. But yeah, kind of a douche for killing himself and telling his parents not to be sad.

[Prophet]

I have never used a halucinogen and long ago came to realization that life is meaningless without the meaning that you give it. I don't feel sorry for this kid nor do I think he was an idiot. I believe that SOBER and thought out suicide, which it obviously was, is acceptable. The kid had no reason to live so he chose not to. I myself do indeed have a reason that I intend to keep living and I can't wait to open my mind to the possibilities that mushrooms will bring next week. It's a shame that the media is making such a deal out of salvia, I mean come on people, this is the 21st century, we know for sure that these "drugs" are not harmful and sometimes even have medical benifits, and yet they are still feared...
Salvia did not make him kill himself, the thought of meaninglessness did, it's the fault of the religeous nutjubs for instilling the belief of meaning or a greater purpose into people.

[grapeALICIOUS]

nah he knows he'll be in a better place and he wanted to leave this dimension.