suicide blamed on salvia.

[OrionM19X]

Wonderful. The first recorded "salvia related" suicide that will now lead to the possible illegalization of a (if used responsibly) relatively harmless herb. I've used salvia multiple times, anything from leaves to 20x, and I know damn well that salvia did not play as big a role in this kid's tragic suicide as the news article says it did. I've taken Salvia when I'm happy, and I stayed happy for a good 5-6 hours after the trip. I've also taken it when i'm angry/depressed, and I stayed angry/depressed for a good 5-6 hours after the trip. As with anything that makes you trip, you have to know your mood and how it will be affected. This kid was probably depressed already and just found a drug-induced reason to do it. And the article is making it seem like the kid was on Salvia when he killed himself. As has been stated in the last two pages of this discussion: BS. I can barely hold the pipe when i'm in Salvialand, I usually just think it's a tube of cosmic toothpaste or something and go back to considering how i'm part of the earth.

-P

[green-machine]

Originally Posted by RATMEAT

I can understand what he was feeling but i dont think he was on salvia at the time. He killed himself because he found out that "our existance is pointless" which is probably true but thats why you smoke weed and make the best out of life.

I know this is an old thread, but man i gotta say that these are exactly my feelings. "thats why you smoke weed and make the best out of life" that's my whole philosophy on things +rep

[StonerMike]

Some people just can't handle any type of drug.

[TWCM]

sry but alot of responses Ive read out of this thread seem depressing.

It's sad that a life was lost, maybe it will help to inform people about the dangers of using drugs that alter our mind set.

however to say that life is meaningless, and that some of you live for the next buzz or high makes me very angry.

Human life is not pointless to ignore the gift we are given is ignorant.

sry to be the buzz kill but alot of the responses I read on this thread annoyed me.

Love Life enjoy it while you can......

make the most out of it.

to the young man who lost his life.... I hope you are in a better place now my thoughts go out to you and your family.

To those who think life is..... pointless, re evaluate your position read a seperate reality or the TAO TE CHING or any other insightful books to get yourself back into enjoying life. You only have so long to do this.

If you are into harder drugs I suggest having someone around who is sober and can help if needed. It saved my life once, and that was from alcohol poisoning so even acceptable drugs are dangerous. Use with respect and knwledge.

CHEERS

[crusher101]

yes but did you even understand it... he wasnt tripping when he killed himself... he was in a sober mind set... if you knew salvia then you would know its impossible to even conceive how to use a pen while on it... the kid was depressed as hell and i know thats not from salvia... salvia is more of an anti-depressant for myself...

and by no means is salvia a "hard drug" like you suggested... its not addicting and its not even all that enjoyable of a trip for half the people that use it. salvia isnt any more dangerous than weed.

[TWCM]

ok crusher I'll simplify for you.

If you say you cant use a pen on salvia then it's a hard drug.

I dont meen hard by its addictivness, but how it affects your mind. If you cant function on it its a hard drug to me. I've heard friends stories about being on that stuff and its worth being carefull about.

My other point wich you missed was. That while on something or not you should not lose point of how special it is to be alive. I'm sure if someone had noticed, or read his essay before he took his life. They would have made a strong commitment to help him and he probably would be alive. The sad truth is they only found this essay after they found him dead.

Im sure if during his life he had people who expressed this love of life he may not have felt that way. Also depression is caused by your brain being inbalanced some people are born with it. Others like my uncle did it to himself using acid and cocain along with weed/hash in the 60's. Now he struggles to hold his job down.

Further I can do lots of things as well stoned that I can sober. However If you say you cant use a pen, on salvia there is a large difference between the two.

Lastly I'd appreciated it if your criticism of my thoughts was constructive, rather than argumentative.

I was mainly trying to say to enjoy life, and not think it is meaningless. You wont be around forever. So you may aswell not spend your whole time here consuming intoxicants daily. Which is what I saw people hinting towards. Whether they were kidding or not that is something I take seriously and don't think people in that boys mind set should be reading.

I was in that place for 3 years and am glad I didnt damage my self more than I have. If you've ever passed out and woken up in a hospital to doctors telling you they need to stick needles in you to save your life you may understand.

I just want ppl to know the dangers about complacency when using substances (that like it or not) damage your body and mind.

I just had to share my thoughts
sry if I offended you, In no way was I trying to say salvia did it to him I was just saying beware. Read a seperate reality its about an Old Native American form New Mexico who uses Peyote and other concotions to alter his mind state and reality to gain true knowledge. It may enlighten you.

Once again sry this will be my last reply to this thread didnt want to offend anyone. However if the cautioning of a drug makes you angry because it contradicts your usage of it. You may want to re analize your usage of Salvia. Dali Lama says everything is good.... IN MODERATION.

The art of happiness very good book of an american psychologists talks with the DALI LAMA

GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS

[Dizzzle]

I have friends in the same highschool as this kid that told me this story before i saw this thread. Apparently, this kid wore all black to school everyday, didn't have to many friends, you know fell right into that whole "suicidal gothic kid" stereotype. His mother didn't find out about his death until 2 or 3 days after it happened so their relationship could not have been that great. What im getting at is salvia probably had nothing to do with his death and was just used as an excuse by his parents because they didn't want to face the reality that they made some mistakes raising this kid or he was a little disturbed.

[Dizzzle]

Originally Posted by Fëanor

When I'm fucked up on Salvia I don't even try walking, my balance is so far off I would probably stumble after 1 step. Besides, even if I decided I wanted to kill myself at the very beginning of my trip, by the time I wrote a suicide note, set up a fucking tent, set up/lit a grill I'd be sober anyway! It doesn't last that long, and no one could possibly set up a tent while they're tripping that hard anyway.

Maybe he set up the tent then smoked the salvia?

[Sepulchrav3]

Originally Posted by Pink Oddity

I'm for savlia being used by people who are fully ready to accept the consiquences. Just like shrooms or LSD, your eyes can be easily opened to new philisophical views or looks on life.

hey dude i agree. Any drug you take you should be ready for consequences. Also, i think that when it comes to Salvia Divinorum, you really have to take a break before having more. Being such a unique and powerful Hallucinogenic, you should not take the drug for granted. Also, i think this guy liked to show off the fact that he took salvia. posting a video of smoking salvia and shit like that.... If he was so depressed to commit suicide he should have kept it a mystery.

I rekon we clean out these head shops of salvia before it gets illegal Buy some seeds too. We need to prepare for its bannification. We cant let it become a "rare" drug. I say Be prepared for the worst dudes!

[Sepulchrav3]

arf Dizzzle. I only read ur post just now lol. I think thats valid too. If he was all "im a child of the dark" type o shit chances are that his issues after taking the drug originated from bad shit that happened to him as a kid, and it just resurfaced with the drug. I say that his parents are fuckin ass fucks for blaming it on salvia. But what can we do. Lame parents always do this type of shit. They talk to the media about some far fetched theory and then they fuck it up for everyone.

[crusher101]

Originally Posted by TWCM

ok crusher I'll simplify for you.

If you say you cant use a pen on salvia then it's a hard drug.
I dont meen hard by its addictivness, but how it affects your mind. If you cant function on it its a hard drug to me. I've heard friends stories about being on that stuff and its worth being carefull about.

i say its not a hard drug because of the duration of the effects and the cleared mind you get the day after. thats like saying that because you can move that speed and meth arent hard drugs... all im saying is you cant understand what a pen is when your tripping let alone find one and look at it and see a pen

Originally Posted by TWCM

My other point wich you missed was. That while on something or not you should not lose point of how special it is to be alive. I'm sure if someone had noticed, or read his essay before he took his life. They would have made a strong commitment to help him and he probably would be alive. The sad truth is they only found this essay after they found him dead.

by no means do you lose a grasp on how amazing life is.. if anything you can see it easier. the trip is angled usually so it shows how small the chance of life is yet here you are! it makes you feel important. the universe may be an imensely hugh place but life is scarce... it makes you feel big. i myself actually came out of depression while using salvia. but i dont recommend it to people who are depressed in the first place.

and dont forget the fact that people said he was a person with no friends and a depressed person before he used salvia. where the fuck were his parents in all this.. huh? they didnt even have the time to see how depressed their son was or the note he left.

Originally Posted by TWCM

Im sure if during his life he had people who expressed this love of life he may not have felt that way. Also depression is caused by your brain being inbalanced some people are born with it. Others like my uncle did it to himself using acid and cocain along with weed/hash in the 60's. Now he struggles to hold his job down.

your uncle being depressed was from the coke... it depeleted his seratonin and made it so they only thing that will make him truely happy is the next line to release his seratonin. which i agree is very sad

Originally Posted by TMCW

Further I can do lots of things as well stoned that I can sober. However If you say you cant use a pen, on salvia there is a large difference between the two.

yes there are many things you can do while stone... in fact you can do anything you normally could while sober and sometimes even better. sometimes worse. but that is because of the type of experience.
comparing salvia and weed is like comparing oil and water A. they dont mix and B. they are different.

Originally Posted by TMCW

Lastly I'd appreciated it if your criticism of my thoughts was constructive, rather than argumentative.

i was in no way trying to be deconstructive in the conversation. i was merely trying to get you to look at it in a different way.

Originally Posted by TMCW

I was mainly trying to say to enjoy life, and not think it is meaningless. You wont be around forever. So you may aswell not spend your whole time here consuming intoxicants daily. Which is what I saw people hinting towards. Whether they were kidding or not that is something I take seriously and don't think people in that boys mind set should be reading.

I was in that place for 3 years and am glad I didnt damage my self more than I have. If you've ever passed out and woken up in a hospital to doctors telling you they need to stick needles in you to save your life you may understand.

understood completely and i believe the same thing however after trying salvia i found that that is not the place it will take you. you dont take it daily and its not ever going to be the next recreational substance.

Originally Posted by TMCW

I just want ppl to know the dangers about complacency when using substances (that like it or not) damage your body and mind.

wait wait wait... it hasnt damaged my body or my mind yet and have heard nothing of it. in fact... thats the only reason why it isnt illegal quite yet... because they couldnt find anything that was harmful about it. but now they have something... a parent blamed a suicide on it. poof. its gonna be gone.

Originally Posted by TMCW

I just had to share my thoughts
sry if I offended you, In no way was I trying to say salvia did it to him I was just saying beware. Read a seperate reality its about an Old Native American form New Mexico who uses Peyote and other concotions to alter his mind state and reality to gain true knowledge. It may enlighten you.

Once again sry this will be my last reply to this thread didnt want to offend anyone. However if the cautioning of a drug makes you angry because it contradicts your usage of it. You may want to re analize your usage of Salvia. Dali Lama says everything is good.... IN MODERATION.

The art of happiness very good book of an american psychologists talks with the DALI LAMA

GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS

you didnt offend me at all and in fact i was happy you made some points i wasnt argueing or trying to offend i was merely trying to help people think in ways they normally wouldnt.

btw i have my own mescaline cactus growing in my room and i can tell you that i treat my experiences with both salvia and mescaline in the same way the native americans used to... i use them to become enlightened. not abuse them.

[JoshuaLogan]

yeah, exactly. salvia is definitely not a recreational drug. kids looking to get high or "get fucked up" should stay away. trips can be kinda frightening though, especially at first, but if you calm down and get comfortable with it it's very refreshing to see things in such a different point of view. i wouldn't even really compare salvia to acid or shrooms or anything. it seems to be very different. and like the others, I agree that salvia had very little to do with this kid's suicide, and there is absolutely no way he could set all of that up while tripping. also, it's not something that sticks with you for hours. its a 5-10 minute trip and then it's gone and all that's left is a warm feeling on your skin and a mild afterglow of relaxation. I think, as with all other hallucinogens, it is important to be in a good state of mind and think positively about what you're going to experience. any negative thoughts or fears will affect your trip. it's also a good idea to have a friend around to serve as a sitter. anyways, salvia does not make you depressed. it can be frightening, but that's all in your head to begin with. the only way i see somebody dying on saliva is if they were walking around in a dangerous place while smoking, because you kind of lose control of what you're doing, but that wouldn't be suicide... just an accident. of course, anyone who would do this in a dangerous place (tall building, car, etc.) is an idiot to begin with...

[crusher101]

Brett's Law"

My 'Google Alert' - which I have set up to find and automatically
advise me of news media reports on the subject - is keeping me
informed of an increasing number of Salvia divinorum related stories
from the US recently. Many seem to be following the case of Brett
Chidester's suicide.
One of these, an NBC story, runs with the typically lurid headlines
about "Dangerous Salvia", but also goes on to report that "Brett was
using a prescription acne medication that has been linked to
depression" - http://www.nbc10.com/news/8628557/detail.html
So I went to the Acne Resource Centre website (http://www.acne-resource.org)
and on a page about prescription dangers I read...
Isotretinoin (sometimes prescribed under the brand name of Accutane)
is a highly potent, oral medication that is prescribed for very severe
acne. WARNING: "Accutane may cause depression, psychosis and, rarely,
suicidal ideation, suicide attempts and suicide." - http://www.acne-resource.org/how-to-...n-dangers.html
Now, I realise it's a far more daunting proposition for elected
representatives to tackle large pharmaceutical companies than it is
for them to persecute the advocates of Salvia divinorum, but, for
Brett's parents' sake, I think this warrants some further looking into.

[crusher101]

another article that seems to be looking at his suicide from other prospectives

[Dizzzle]

I saw a story on local news about "...a new, legal, but very dangerous drug..Salvia!"

This kid really messed it up for everyone else. Now they are trying to make it illegal in Delaware.