Fox News: ARE THE CONSERVATIVES CATCHING UP TO THE PUBLIC ON THE MARIJUANA ISSUE?

[SmokeAndThink]

Hopefully Barack will do what he can for all the people in the ghetto that voted for him (for this sole reason).

[Smawrpg]

Originally Posted by ArgoSG

You don't understand neo-conservatism then. If we didn't have religion, it wouldn't be possible.

True I am sure religion has a lot to do with it, but now I can't understand why christianity at least find that drinking alcohol is fine, when far more rapes and murders and just sin in general happen while under the influence, but dislike mj which if anything makes people more spiritual.

[420Hazo]

As a very strong conservative myself and a very avid pot smoker, i am glad to see this happening. The world was in infamy and avoiding a clear fact about marijuana.

guys lets be easy on the politicians..they're a bit slow...actually correct that..REAL SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Sir Elliot]

I've written before about my work with the media departments of political campaigns.

With polling, a LOT has to do with exactly how the question is asked, which is why i often hammer certain talking-points on the marijuana-politics issue.

If the question were asked of Conservatives, "Do you support states rights when it comes to deciding their own marijuana laws?" You would probably get much higher responses.

Again, "Would you support legalization if it carried the same restrictions as alcohol" You would probably get much higher responses.

Finally, on questions like this you have the problem of people answering how they THINK they are supposed to answer (for example, Obama's support among White people polled somewhat higher than what he actually got in terms of votes)... so those that are not well informed that this is a state's rights issue and that we're talking about allowing 10 year olds to smoke pot at school give the answer they THINK they should give ("No I don't support that").

Just some insight from a person that has dealt with polling a lot in the past.

[undertheice]

one of the downfalls of conservatism is a tendency to resist change. when faced with a question like ending marijuana prohibition, a conservative may waffle and then bow to the illusory wisdom of the past, placing their ideals of small government and personal responsibility on the back burner in favor of tradition. with the rise of the liberal establishment becoming an obvious fact of life (gee, it only took us sixty some odd years to figure that one out) and the dangers of the ideology of change for the sake of change being made more apparent every day, there is a new breed of conservative joining the ranks. this is a younger crowd that realizes conservatism isn't about religion and tradition and maintaining the status quo, but is about limiting the size and scope of government and allowing the individual to regain some of the power that has been stolen from him by the minions of the state. they are essentially classical liberals, realizing that liberalism has been taken over by totalitarian schemers and willing to endure the slings and arrows cast by those who subscribe to the stereotypical notions of conservatism. is it any wonder that, as the old guard passes on, more conservatives are questioning the prudence of this laughable prohibition? many of them have been getting high their entire lives.

[willisvillis]

Originally Posted by Smawrpg

I never understood why conservatives ever took up the position on prohibition. When personal responsibility and less government control are some of their values.

Propaganda is powerful.

[tbolg]

Badass video . Put a smile on my face to hear a conservative female being so out spoken about cannabis and so well spoken . !!! positive rep. for cannabis = a win win situation for us all in the cannabis community .

[ffred]

Originally Posted by Smawrpg

I never understood why conservatives ever took up the position on prohibition. When personal responsibility and less government control are some of their values.

Because most people have no idea what conservatism (or liberalism for that matter) actually means. They think Republican Party = Conservative and Democratic Party = Liberal. This couldn't be farther from the truth - neither party as they stand today has any affiliation with the ideals they once stood behind. Problem is people, for the most part, are stupid. They believe and do as they are told. They only ideals the political parties have now are those of "if you take this stance on an issue, we're going to take the other side." If people simply knew the meaning of the vocabulary being used they would see that Democrat/Republican no longer have anything to do with liberal/conservative. Unfortunately, people no longer think for themselves. They pick a political party to follow, and by default agree with it and disagree with the other, without considering the issues for themselves. Of course this doesn't go for everyone, but certainly applies to the masses.

I truly believe the RE-legalization of cannabis to be a conservative issue. I believe that anyone who considers themselves a conservative but believes in the War on Drugs has no idea what being conservative means, and I have had no problem in the past telling them so. Unfortunately, people watch shows like Bill O'Reily and think he is the model of conservatism because he is on TV and claims he is. (I'd like to go on a rant about Bill O and how I think he is a completely rude d-bag, but it would take too long.)

Conservatism means believing in small, responsible, non-intrusive government, in personal liberty and freedom, in private property, in personal responsibility. The War on Drugs egregiously violates all these principals. How much more intrusive can a government be than to tell people what they can and cannot ingest. How much more irresponsible can a government be than to perpetually spend hundreds of billions of OUR dollars without, and without the possibility of ever, achieving the desired outcome. How much more can a government step on personal liberties than to prosecute individuals for doing something that effects only themselves. How much more can a government deny personal responsibility than to enforce on people what is and what is not good for them. Last but not least, how much more can a government deny private property rights than to deny one's ownership of them self. What I believe to be the biggest farce of the War on Drugs is that it effectively says that you do not have ownership your own body and mind. I do not belong to the government - my mind and body do not belong to the government; they are mine to do with as I see fit. As a child, I belonged to my parents and had to listen to them on what was right for me. As an adult, I belong only to myself and the government has no business telling me what is right for me.

[Rictuar]

Jesus christ this video completely encompasses the blatant conservatism that is Fox news. Come on, she starts by saying "I'm a long-time republican and mother of two" on top of being a rich white girl. She could say anything she wanted after that and the vast majority of viewers would agree.

[420Hazo]

Originally Posted by Rictuar

Jesus christ this video completely encompasses the blatant conservatism that is Fox news. Come on, she starts by saying "I'm a long-time republican and mother of two" on top of being a rich white girl. She could say anything she wanted after that and the vast majority of viewers would agree.

people like you, (im not insulting you, im just disagreeing with the statement) are the ones who bring down such opportunity. be more optimistic about such situations, they dont come often

edit: i should say statements like yours, not people like you sry. NO OFFENSE

[prez420]

I couldn't agree more because the GOP use to be about personal freedom and minimal government. I never understood how the legalization movement could justify supporting the DNC when they are all about oppressive control and big government. Those of you saying its christianity's fault really dont understand the issue because the only reason the christian community is againest smoking ganja is because it's illegal. As christians they have to follow the law of the land unless it means compromising their faith in Jesus. Thats why i have always said the stoner community should not be so hostile to christians because its not that they want it illegal its that they have to abide by the law according to their faith.

Anyway we shouldn't hold our breath for the democrats to legalize cannabis because if they do they are going to impose strict government controls on it. If we want cannabis truly legalized then we will will need the republicans to do it because they don't believe in big government (atleast real republicans) and would only impose safety standards and minimum taxes instead of the democrat route with would undoubtedly lead to state run stores and potency controls and much higher taxes. If we need more reasons to push the issue with republicans then its this, there is a good chance democrats are going to lose control of congress soon and unless libertarians fill the void it will be republicans that start calling the shots so if we dont have them on the legalize side we will be back to square one.

[greenbliss]

Originally Posted by Rictuar

Jesus christ this video completely encompasses the blatant conservatism that is Fox news. Come on, she starts by saying "I'm a long-time republican and mother of two" on top of being a rich white girl. She could say anything she wanted after that and the vast majority of viewers would agree.

Yeah they would all agree, because as we know, every republican agrees with every other republican on every issue.


She was showing how being republican and being a toker are not mutually exclusive. A friend of mine actually beleived they were at one time.