Legalizing Pot Will Only Increase Problems

[micahgee]

Its actually short-sighted and closed-minded to think that marijuana SHOULDN'T be legal. Fuck the author of the article.
Oh and of course they use the word "pot", instead of acknowledging the fact that its a plant which is endemic to huge areas of the world...

[kizeryakuza]

wooligan is wrong to say they'll never get the tax money from legalized MJ sales -> billions of $ in Hollands gov's pockets per year just from the MJ industry!
quoting myself "gives the government the possibility of controlling the use of the drug around the country to some extent" i was talking about controlling the USE of the drug, not the drug itself. i mean the use of it as in, lets say country M has legalized MJ and decide to try and make people quit, they'll start by increasing the price. tenfold in a matter of days will shock the customers enough to make sure they dont come back.
its the situation in Norway with alcohol. anything stronger than normal beer you have to get in what americans know as liquor stores. thing is, in norway, there is only one chain of those stores, which are government controlled obviously. the prices are completely insane, and i can tell you people hardly buy anything during the week and wait with much anticipation friday and saturday night to ruin themselves on gov. controlled alcohol.
the thing is, if industrial hemp got re-introduced into the market as raw material, all the oil, wood, cotton, wool (etc etc) providers would go broke straight away as hemp can replace them all (it can be used to make clothing, oil, paper, fuel..etc) and entire industries would dissapear and the world economy would just collapse. imagine what would happen if they found out that the fossile fuel/oil we've been pumped for decades now wasnt needed anymore by anyone... shell, texaco (and all other gas stations) would dissapear leaving a huge blank in the economy and so on and so on.
cause who wins from letting corporations thrive and dominate -> Governments -> "The System".

this link is a must to all pro - MJ & anti - cops ppl : http://www.siegelsuniforms.com/pages...hp?subcatid=85 (check out the details of first item, designed for cops to wear !)




this is taken from an interesting document i just found on the web "the marijuana conspiracy - the real reason hemp is illegal by doug yurchey :

And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger
in the land.

-- Ezekiel 34/29

THE REAL REASON CANNABIS HAS BEEN OUTLAWED HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH ITS EFFECTS ON THE MIND AND BODY.

MARIJUANA is DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT
harmful

to the human body or mind. Marijuana does
NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is
very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol,
tobacco industries and a large number of chemical
corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of
dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from
the people.
The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of
commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb!
Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of
pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about
an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their
companies.



which is confirmed by all the different sites that told me the same when i did some research about the topic about 5 years ago.

(by the way, didnt notice before today that the original post was indeed 3 years old ..)

[whooligan]

Originally Posted by kizeryakuza

wooligan is wrong to say they'll never get the tax money from legalized MJ sales -> billions of $ in Hollands gov's pockets per year just from the MJ industry!
quoting myself "gives the government the possibility of controlling the use of the drug around the country to some extent" i was talking about controlling the USE of the drug, not the drug itself. i mean the use of it as in, lets say country M has legalized MJ and decide to try and make people quit, they'll start by increasing the price. tenfold in a matter of days will shock the customers enough to make sure they dont come back.
its the situation in Norway with alcohol. anything stronger than normal beer you have to get in what americans know as liquor stores. thing is, in norway, there is only one chain of those stores, which are government controlled obviously. the prices are completely insane, and i can tell you people hardly buy anything during the week and wait with much anticipation friday and saturday night to ruin themselves on gov. controlled alcohol.
the thing is, if industrial hemp got re-introduced into the market as raw material, all the oil, wood, cotton, wool (etc etc) providers would go broke straight away as hemp can replace them all (it can be used to make clothing, oil, paper, fuel..etc) and entire industries would dissapear and the world economy would just collapse. imagine what would happen if they found out that the fossile fuel/oil we've been pumped for decades now wasnt needed anymore by anyone... shell, texaco (and all other gas stations) would dissapear leaving a huge blank in the economy and so on and so on.
cause who wins from letting corporations thrive and dominate -> Governments -> "The System".

this link is a must to all pro - MJ & anti - cops ppl : http://www.siegelsuniforms.com/pages...hp?subcatid=85 (check out the details of first item, designed for cops to wear !)




this is taken from an interesting document i just found on the web "the marijuana conspiracy - the real reason hemp is illegal by doug yurchey :

And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger
in the land.

-- Ezekiel 34/29

THE REAL REASON CANNABIS HAS BEEN OUTLAWED HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH ITS EFFECTS ON THE MIND AND BODY.

MARIJUANA is DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT

harmful

to the human body or mind. Marijuana does

NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is

very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol,
tobacco

industries and a large number of chemical

[left]corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of

dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from
the people.
The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of
commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb!
Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of
pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about
an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their
companies.

which is confirmed by all the different sites that told me the same when i did some research about the topic about 5 years ago.

(by the way, didnt notice before today that the original post was indeed 3 years old ..)

ok when i said the government wont acquire tax money from legalizing marijuana it was merely an over exaggeration. If marijuana became officially permitted in the United States, let me know how they can manage the cultivation of it? The united states knows that if the drug is legal there is no way to control the product. Where did Holland come from this? The united states has a complete and total different means of government. Yes the united states will increase some tax money on the legalization, of course. But there setback is that the government needs absolute and total control over the sell and cultivation of the product. And this is what they lack; consequently it will not become legal, until otherwise.

[kizeryakuza]

no need to quote the whole msg
true, but like tobacco, it could be legal to smoke and carry in very small amounts (nowadays in central europe, like in holland, u can easily get away if u have a gram or a spliff in ur pocket. circumstances can change that of course, but i was thinking of a mere ID check or whatever) but not legal to cultivate. like alcohol, ur not supposed to make ur own home made liquor.
doesnt the canadian gov. have gov. cannabis plantations for medical MJ? that could answer the "how to control it in the US".
if seeing MJ as a social equivalent to bear, why couldnt it be rendered legal to use, grown and produced by gov. controlled fields in say ONE state (for example) and sold through very specific mediums following strict regulations? like liquor shops for booz. or coffee shops in holland. despite the gov. differences and whatnot it could still be done. by the way, coffeeshops cant sell more than 5gr per person. and if controlled by a cop, you arent supposed to have more than 5grams.

besides, it works fine with cigarets which are pumped every year with more and new deadly toxins. why couldnt work with a harmless plant that hasnt and cant possibly kill anyone and which helps cure illnesses ??

[kizeryakuza]

i started watching this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...95&q=marijuana
on Bill C-17 (decriminalisation of cannabis) in canada, dating from oct. 2005. i stopped it when it got to a debate between two political parties. got as far as the introduction which literally said "opponents (to the bill) say traficking and selling in the streets are a all time high problem blabla"
yes i completely agree. make something illegal and it will continue to be used by people, but in contreband, illegal traficking. which is completely uncontrolled. whereas make it legal, ie weed, and there won't be a market for street dealers. if conscious willing parents want to make sure their 16 year old kid dont smoke cristal meth mixed weed they can go buy him some at the store and/or encourage him to grow some plants in the garden.

we're talking about legalising MJ for personal use. alcohol and tobacco are legal but it isnt aloud to produce them on ur own. legalising MJ doesnt mean more drug trafick, it means less penalties for MJ related (as long as not considered mass traficking) cases, but doesnt mean less for the big time home growing dealers ! by making legal, they should (dont know if they did) make it even more harsh for the people involved in traficking and selling.

i believe one should be able to buy it from a shop in regulated doses, and grow it home. as long as it is for strictly personal uses!

[acid0x]

In my area its not often when it goes dry but when it does its a bad place to be. the crime rate rises by the day and violence also. There will be people waiting at liquer stores watching for people buying packs of blunts or blunts to robb them for their weed or take them to someone they can robb for their weed. Prices go up and that causes more people to have to get money other ways to support their pot habbit. when there is good bud everywhere the crime is very low. the only crime in the area is crystal meth , alcohol and crack related. I say keep the people at home Stoned . and Keep the fucking weed Cheap.

[kizeryakuza]

very true acid0X, i was astound to read this (basically the same u said, but with one extra detail) :

Grass prices in the United States are a direct reflection of the laws of supply and demand (and you thought that high school economics would never be useful). A series of large border busts, a short growing season, a bad crop, any number of things can drive the price of marijuana up. Demand still seems to be on the increase in the U.S., so prices seldom fall below last year's level. Each year a small seasonal drought occurs, as last year's supply runs low, and next year's crop is not up yet. Prices usually rase about 20 - 75 per cent during this time and then fall back to "normal." Unquestionably, a large shortage of grass causes a percentage of smokers to turn to harder drugs instead

(from http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Plants/...potgrow-1.html)


im sure that drought or not, if it were legally sold in coffeeshop-like shops, crime wouldnt increase when shortage of weed occurs. if it were made legal, they'd make sure there wouldnt be any shortages and could get supplied from somewhere else that didnt suffer from droughts. its funny, cause i read that article right before reading your post Acid0X. i wasnt aware of such a horrible reality. the fuck is old schwarzy waiting for ? (he is said to have smoked cannabis on tape, during the mr universe movie filming, but they cut it out for some unknown reason other cuts show him doing the all too well known "heil hitler" arm raising thing -> read this in the weekly magasine Newsweek at the time the elections for Ca gov. were going on)

[UCF-Toker]

Originally Posted by superjoint

This drug is not harmless. Marijuana is used to obtain guns, cocaine and cash to finance methamphetamine labs.

but if it was legal it wouldnt be used for that right?... soooo does that mean if we legalize marijuana it will become harmless? ya got yourself in a conundrum... if thats a word...

[Jackattack]

That article actually made me depressed for awhile. I can't beleive people can be so stupid. I think that article is more dangerous than weed is. Weed never makes me depressed it actually does the opposite.

[kizeryakuza]

hey, here's a link about the time arnold no brain schwarznegger got high :
http://www.forarnoldssake.com/

footage of him taking a hit from a spliff !

[Parablue]

Bloody nerd wrote that article, he ain't got his facts right!!! Got my facts right on in another page, check it out at=>
http://forum.grasscity.com/showthrea...686#post913686

[Nugs]

(starter of the thread) Your argument is completely bunk.

for example: "This drug is not harmless. Marijuana is used to obtain guns, cocaine and cash to finance methamphetamine labs."

Yes, and that is a direct result of prohibition. If marijuana were legal, we wouldn't have that problem would we

[eleven357]

Putting a republican in office will assure a war followed by a recession.

Lets ban money cuz people use it to buy guns and kill people. (lol wtf?)

[dr dro]

Why would you bring up this 5 year old thread just to say that?

[eleven357]

Originally Posted by dr dro

Why would you bring up this 5 year old thread just to say that?

Who are you talking to?

Cuz if you are talking to me, I didn't bring up this thread.