PGAMG - Pot growers against miracle grow

[growgoat27]

Alright man, I have not read the whole post maybe this has alredy been answered. I am starting my grow outside in pots then transplanting to soil. I used miracle grow soil in the pot. Will it have the same effect as inside? I mixed one of the pots with black natural soil from a cow pasture and mg soil. Would this nuteralize the effect?

[senior_ganj]

from my experience, they mg time release nutes didnt start to burn until 1 to 1.5 months in. When you transplant just try to get as much of the mg out as possible though.

I think you'll be fine. Good luck and happy growing.

[tryisforfail]

so u shoudln't use mg soil but u can use the mg like feeder stuff

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by tryisforfail

so u shoudln't use mg soil but u can use the mg like feeder stuff

If you get Miricle Grow fertilizer, make sure it is stuff for vegetables and you should be fine. Just don’t use there soil unless it is organic and even then you need to add stuff for drainage.

growgoat27,
Read this entire thread!!

[upn'smoke]

i used time release ferts and it heavyly burned my new born. she's coming back to life now that i transplanted her

[urgr8estfear]

Originally Posted by upn'smoke

i used time release ferts and it heavyly burned my new born. she's coming back to life now that i transplanted her

DUDE! That soil seems to have so much organic parts in there soon it will either :

a.walk away
b.turn into oil

What's up with that?

[SmknVTEC]

Bump for the new kids on the block.

[FADIOUS]

ive been using the MIRACLE GROW CONTINUOUS RELEASE POTTING MIX for the last 19 grows and produced the most beautiful bud ive ever bought, sold, or smoked.
id have to say that this whole PGAMG is the people who botched their first few grows using SOMTHING that said MIRACLE on it and contributed their failure to it somehow ...the paranoia of the soil having "too many" nutes in it and OVERWATERING are what killed your plants..... there is also a substantial difference between their soil and their fertilizer.... PGAMG are just people who finally found somthing that worked for them and decided to have to blame someone for their failure...


these seem to be the same breed of people who might sue TROJAN cuz they busted a nut before their ol'lady and cant tell her it was HIS fault

[Num]

Originally Posted by upn'smoke

rofl101 That's a cabbage plant!

I got some wierd time release chunks in my outdoor grow - not got a clue what soil it it, but it seems to be ok for now........

If u pick them out u can crumble them up into a powder - mebe snort some l8r for a buzz while I wait for these slow fkrs to grow

Adding tom ferts well diluted as well - good results so far.

[Toke"N"Chill]

OK, last time I will attempt to defend MG soil or atleast my experience using it. I do believe that some folks may be too quick to blame MG soil for their problems. I have talked to a lot folks who use or have used MG soil and most have pretty good results. It seems those who have problems with the soil are having a problem because they are adding addidtional ferterlizer too soon. I do not add any ferterlizer until I start flowering. Poor lighting and over watering are usually the other problems or a combination of all three. I am attaching a link to an old pic of my current grow. The plants were about 5 weeks old when it was taken. One of the three turned out to be a male and I am about 1 week or so from harvesting the two remaining females. I will post pics of the harvest when it's done, but I am thrilled with what I have.

http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0519b3pp.jpg

P.S. I do not use miracle grow ferterlizer (other than what is already in the soil). When I start flowering/budding I use Schultz's blooming fert. In case anyone is wondering I use a dual ballast 400W MH and HPS for a total of 800W.

[SmknVTEC]

Toke N Chill,
Is that MG with time release fertilizer or just regular MG? Look at my pictures in the first few pages of the thread. No ferts were added except for what was in the soil. At a few weeks old they were already over-ferted. Like I said, I have been on this site for a few years and every time someone comes up with a problem on their seedlings and is using MG Shultz or Scotts with Time release ferts, it is always fert burn. It is irrelevant whether they added extra ferts to it or not, the end result is still the same.

[Toke"N"Chill]

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

Toke N Chill,
Is that MG with time release fertilizer or just regular MG? Look at my pictures in the first few pages of the thread. No ferts were added except for what was in the soil. At a few weeks old they were already over-ferted. Like I said, I have been on this site for a few years and every time someone comes up with a problem on their seedlings and is using MG Shultz or Scotts with Time release ferts, it is always fert burn. It is irrelevant whether they added extra ferts to it or not, the end result is still the same.

Yes, the soil I use has time released ferts and is supposed to have enough fert to keep a plant fed for up to three months. I do not own any stock in MG so I could not care less if anyone buys or uses it. Just relating to all haters that a lot of us use MG soil and do just fine. Given that fact, there has got to be more to others problems than just the soil. Maybe the soil is contributing to some of the problems you experienced, but if some of us can use MG with good results it can't be just a MG soil problem. Lights, heat, PH, watering etc. all are factors... However, I am a believer in whatever works for each grower. As long as you end up with good weed who cares how you did it. We all realate or successes and failures in the hopes that we can learn something ot teach something. That's the whole purpose of this board and others like it. Good luck to all who grow and how they do it!!

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by Toke"N"Chill

a lot of us use MG soil and do just fine.

Everything about your above post sounds perfectly reasonable except for the above highlighted which is quite inaccurate. There is you and about 4 other growers out there that have NOT had problems with that junk soil. The rest of the people have problems. Just in the short time that I have been on GC and based on all the threads and posts that I have read on the subject, I would give it about a 93% problem ratio vs. a 7% success ratio. It is especially not good for new growers who have enough trouble watering and keeping other factors in check. I just wonder how good your plants would look if you actually used some decent soil.

[Toke"N"Chill]

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

Everything about your above post sounds perfectly reasonable except for the above highlighted which is quite inaccurate. There is you and about 4 other growers out there that have NOT had problems with that junk soil. The rest of the people have problems. Just in the short time that I have been on GC and based on all the threads and posts that I have read on the subject, I would give it about a 93% problem ratio vs. a 7% success ratio. It is especially not good for new growers who have enough trouble watering and keeping other factors in check. I just wonder how good your plants would look if you actually used some decent soil.

It's all good... I am too busy to keep defending what works for me. I see everyone's photos and my plants do as well or better than most that I have seen. I was planning to do some experimenting with some clones on my next grow and grow in two different soils under the same conditions and see if there is a marked difference. Bottom line is, I am lazy and I tend to use whatever techniques are the easiest to perform and require the least amount of my already busy life. I enjoy seeing the plants grow and seeing the changes along the way, but I don't have the time to make this a full blown hobby. Family, friends, golfing and boating take most of my free time. Growing my own weed is what I do to prevent me from having to involve firends, relatives, enemies, dealers or anyone else in my quest to procure weed and get high. To be honest, I am not even sure why we are having this debate. No one should have to defend what they do if it works for them. The only reason why I got involved in this discussion is because some of you posted comments saying that MG soil is crap and impossible to use and have a great grow. We all know that is not true so why bash what some are successful at doing? I spend time on this board reading and talking to others to learn what others are having success at doing. I read and ask questions and then I apply what makes sense to me and go from there. I would never start a thread saying a soil or growing technique that others are using and are happy with is crap just because I could not make it work. I certainly would not suggest that a group, club or whatever you want to call the "PGAMG" be formed to bash what others do. OK, I am spending way too much time and effort on this subject and I have to get the grill fired up before my guests begin arriving. Good luck to all who grow no matter what you use or don't use. Happy 4th to my fellow Americans and all my other non US friends, have a good day!

[senior_ganj]

Originally Posted by Toke"N"Chill

It's all good... I am too busy to keep defending what works for me. I see everyone's photos and my plants do as well or better than most that I have seen. I was planning to do some experimenting with some clones on my next grow and grow in two different soils under the same conditions and see if there is a marked difference. Bottom line is, I am lazy and I tend to use whatever techniques are the easiest to perform and require the least amount of my already busy life. I enjoy seeing the plants grow and seeing the changes along the way, but I don't have the time to make this a full blown hobby. Family, friends, golfing and boating take most of my free time. Growing my own weed is what I do to prevent me from having to involve firends, relatives, enemies, dealers or anyone else in my quest to procure weed and get high. To be honest, I am not even sure why we are having this debate. No one should have to defend what they do if it works for them. The only reason why I got involved in this discussion is because some of you posted comments saying that MG soil is crap and impossible to use and have a great grow. We all know that is not true so why bash what some are successful at doing? I spend time on this board reading and talking to others to learn what others are having success at doing. I read and ask questions and then I apply what makes sense to me and go from there. I would never start a thread saying a soil or growing technique that others are using and are happy with is crap just because I could not make it work. I certainly would not suggest that a group, club or whatever you want to call the "PGAMG" be formed to bash what others do. OK, I am spending way too much time and effort on this subject and I have to get the grill fired up before my guests begin arriving. Good luck to all who grow no matter what you use or don't use. Happy 4th to my fellow Americans and all my other non US friends, have a good day!

Real quickly, this thread wasn't made to bash anybody. At the time, I had seen about6 threads in a matter of days all having the same problems, and they were all using MG time release ferts. Each of them had burning on their plants, so this was made to warn a lot of new growers. It was made so we don't have the redundant 'will this soil work' threads. They see the results and can choose for themselves.

Feel free to post your results with the Miracle Gro. From what i've seen though, MG is more likely to end up burning your plants than anything else. There's always exceptions though.