1st grow /2nd or 3rd week in flowering/ light question ?

[mrnicebuddsn1]

ok so i got some clones going about 4-6 inch tall and not doing great but thats another story n a problem im working on fixing /fixed for my seedlings so i also

have a bunch a seedlings and im needing to know since i plan on using a total cfl grow mostly 2 at a time -1600 lumens ( i think ) 23 actual watt usage and a bunch of 2600 lumens 42 watt actual usage and everything is going fine as far

as enough light and shit i just been adding more lights and Y's to get better light coverage and as much as possible and i plan on using all the same lights

from veging them to flower them because as im to understand the spectrum is good enuff as along as i dont grow my plants to big and keep good enuff light coverage and at and above 50 watts per sq foot of growing space....

so0o0 my question is that when i sway mu 4 or 5 clones or seedlings at a time into flowering with the cfl's ( mostly if not all soft white light by the way ) will it also be ok to start off the flowering with my 400 w hps in

combination to my cfl's getting for the most part the sides n lower sections and center sections of the plants will the sudden change in a more intence light /heat and spectrum from the hps ? and if so would there be equal

benefits or drawbacks to only use the hps to finish flower ... like last few weeks of flower to intensify the light and potency ? ... thanx to any and all

info and tips ... i wanted to post a small question and ended up documenting again .. gotta love how sweet lady marry jane has that chatter affect on me

[FenceWalker]

As long as you can keep any heat issues in check, your plants will love the hps and cfl's in combo.

[Fubar24-7]

they look pretty stretched. they tend to stretch under hps/2700k spectrum.
get some 5600k spectrum daylight cfl's and continue using that hps for dual spectrum for veg.

[apacolypz]

IS IT JUST ME or are your plants suffering? They seem to have a def? I know the sugar leaves at the bottom naturally fall off but something is off here? I hope you have a fan in there some where. As I have a lot of CFL's and they put out impassive heat. Get some air circulating and as Fubar said add some mix spectrum for a great balance. If you are in vegg 2 vegg 5000-6500k to 1 red 2700k flower. Good luck

APZ

[TBuds]

Mayb a little hot or a little PH swing. Yes definitly use Hps and watch the temps as Fencewalker sugg's. You will find ur buds tighter,more compact under Hps. BY the way wat's the strain

[mrnicebuddsn1]

heyyy thanx everyone for all the advice / tips ..... first question before i ansure all yours is when you say 2700k and 5600k ?? is that lumens? or what ?
- strains im growing , clones are all "Geesal" apparently a lagit decendint from the chemdog family a friend of mine apparently grew with som 1 that talked a good dame on one of these boards and meat the strain holder of the

chemdog lineage n hooked him up and its from some of that line that my hurting babies are from
- seeds - all my seedlings are bag seed but the kind of seed u get lucky 2 find 1 in a zipp and your jumbing for joy kinda deal .. a bunch of diff kinds of delishous cali strains ( farm grown ) only names i get are purple kushes and

BS kush names so i just kno its all daaaaank and a few times there were some really dank cali that had almost mids ststus amount of seeds but they were all pretty damn good so i kept and seporated all my diff seed strains n

got a few of each kind going as u can see .... lol got like 20 + seedlings wanna make sure i dont get fucked by alot of males , and im growing alot of them in diff ways trying to figure out the best methos and then im eventually

lowering my plant capasity by alot i just wanted to have a few strains to have and clone off and keep going and then next step is buying seeds thats far away tho

-(p.s there are easily in my mind some 10 to 15 diff strains i got going, by the by this is my first serious grow and first indoor ) had a gre8t season this past summer growing a 7 ft or so tall niiiiiice sativa ....

.... cali seed and it got snipted bare the day b4 i was goin to take it as was the driving force behind me doing a stealth inside grow ill throw an oldedr pic of it n me b4 it got snatched )


did any 1 know if it would be ok to only use the hps for the last few weeks of flowering if i had enough of the cfl's in the flowering spectrum anyways

im guessing 2700k? is what i have and yeh i pretty sure i got only 2700k lights but a shit ton of um .. got a bunch a 23w and 42w soft white cfl's and the only day light advertised cfls i have

come across were 100 watt equivalent only like 20 something actual watt usage so what do i do about that ? and most my seedlings seem to be doing

alright ... dont look like much streaching ither some of them got 4 or 4 new node sights after only like 2- 3 weeks like max.... there shouldn't b any kind of nute def cuz they really haven't been givin anything other than really small trace amounts of N in there water n

that only been a few recent waterings ... early in there life there were heating / ph issues causing most the yellowing / or over night the lights become 2 close ... and there WAS no ventilation ... thing of the past got n

vent n intake going now with 2 room fans taped into both in and out but neither is sucking or blowing enough to significantly change the heat in the room... also got another same kind fan circulating the new air in the

room ( all new installment last day or so ) so now im figuring everything is about 2 explode growing like crazy as long as i can keep my heat in check .... witch is posing a problem because i have to worry about stealth and

silence and soon enuff i need to have more better ventilation because of more lights and im going to need to worry about smell as well and implicate

that into my vent system .... ok got a few new pics of all the new setup and thanx again everyone for all the tips and help same goes any more info/tips much appreciated peace

... the pics with the plants outside the big 1 was the 1 i was talkin bout there a smaller indica on my other side but it didn't have nearly as many bud sights or as much bud on it as the other 1 when both were talkin ... o0o0o my heart !!!

[FenceWalker]

2700k refers to the Kelvin temperature of the bulb:

5K - 7K Kelvin: Strong Blue Light
Promotes bushy growth. Ideal for rapid growth phase of plants.
Greatly enhances all-around plant growth when used with super
high output, high pressure sodium or 3K warm metal halide lamps.

4.2K - 4200 Kelvin: Cool white Flourescents
Can be used as supplimental blue lighting when used with a 3K
source.

4K - 4000 Kelvin: Neutral Metal Halide
Best single source for plant growth, producing shorter, bushier
growth than 3700 Kelvin and color rendition. Used in general
plant lighting.

3.7K - 3700 Kelvin: Softer Metal Halide(coated)
This coated lamp is used in general plant lighting and for more
rapid growth than 4000 Kelvin produces.

3K - 3200 Kelvin: Warm Metal Halide
Highest photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) value of all HID
lighting for all phases of plant growth. PAR watts account for the
nutritional value of light and are a direct measure of the light
energy available for photosythesis.

2.7K - 2700 Kelvin: High Pressure Sodium Lamps
Redder color mix, used for propagation, blooming, supplemental
greenhouse lighting.

I personally would use the HPS for the entire flower and if you need lights for other projects, take the cfls out. The HPS will provide much denser bud growth for the money.

The CFLs can be used for early growth, cloning, or as you said as side lighting.

[mrnicebuddsn1]

thanx bud i understand where ur commin from but im trying to keep electrical costs on the DL as this is a stealth grow me n a friend doing with-ought the

knowledge of certain other people lol so i was just goin to use a bunch a the right cfl's for the beginning flower and just add the hps to finish it off and prob

only keep a few cfls for side lighting and use the shit ton i got left for keeping seedlings and clones on a rotating cycle .... but im doin some SOG/scrog/lst on

some them and them individual sog or scrog or lst .. mixing it up and wanted to make sure it wont negatively affect my babies suddenly being

introduced to more powerful and hot lights to finish the flowering cycle .... and went out n got some 55 or 5600 k day light cfl's today that ill b sawping

in with the 2700k soft white ones i got but my seedlings already for the most part are doing pretty well under the current cfl's so im stoked to see

how bushy they gona get with the 2 spectrums .... any 1 know if the guy in the "buds for less" book was using 2700 or 5500k or over for his hole grow ?

cuz he does the 3 plants 8 oz dry with like 6 42w cfl's but im pretty sure no specification to kalven reading.... o0ok aneways heres some new pics to

u guys thinking my seedlings were stretching i got some close up pics

[mrnicebuddsn1]

more pics lol a few new pics of my clones after i just flushed um for the second time ... hope my geesal survive lemmie kno wut u guys think and thanx

again for the feedback !!!!! and last pics are of the pot that had the like 12 seedlings in it at one point .. im lst' ing the remaing 4 and then there still 2

more lil 1z in the center n there gettin biiig fast ill throw a b4 n after pic on there

[Fubar24-7]

those giesel's are suffering from over watering and over nuteing it looks like. ease up make sure to let them completely dry before watering again, they like to be hungry, so feed them less nutes.

it looks like you also have a ph problem as having to high or too low of a ph can lock out nutrition that your plants so desperately need. spend the money on a good ph pen.

i suggest fully flushing with twice as much water as your pot size and has also been ph balanced

[mrnicebuddsn1]

100 percent pretty sure its not over watering or over ferting b cuz ive only used verry trace nutes like diluting a couple dropts of each thing i use into a

gallon of water ... a drop of the apple vinegar to ament my water to 6.4 or so ph then a drop or 2 or molasses, a drop of organic N plant food and a pinch a

epsom salt ( onl dun that 1 time anewayz) and they only been waterd like 2 times since there stansplant witch been like 2 weeks n last nght when i flushed

um they were bo0o0o00o00oone dry and im still trying to flush out the ph problem because i started with to high of a alkaline soil and to high of an

alkaline water hopefully they bounce bak .... any 1 got any ideas or tops for my seedlings ? .... thanx again peeps

thanx there fubar i did kick myself in the ass for not worrying about ph enough from the get go but i did get a few lil ph testing kits around and since fixed and been amending my ph with ph corrected water since just wating / hoping for my babies to improve and come out of it but they have

seemed to b looking better then they originally did wen they started looking baaaad ... ill throw a lil timeline of the cones from beginning to end of the problem

[jcj77d]

Originally Posted by mrnicebuddsn1

more pics lol a few new pics of my clones after i just flushed um for the second time ... home my geesal survive lemmie kno wut u guys think and thanx

again for the feedback !!!!! and last pics are of the pot that had the like 12 seedlings in it at one point .. im lst' ing the remaing 4 and then there still 2

more lil 1z in the center n there gettin biiig fast ill throw a b4 n after pic on there

looking a little better, & it looks like your overwatering them. i would go buy some liquid seaweed & mix some up in a spray bottle w/ water & 1 drop of dish soap ph'd @ 7.0, & mist them w/ it, but u need to raise your lights up about 10" or so b4 u do, & leave them like that for 15min, then lower them back down. dont get spray on the bulbs, it can pop them. the liquid seaweed has everything the plant needs in it. mist them @ least 2x a day. this should help w/ any decencies the plants have until u can get the soils ph corrected. its also good to use when u get the soils ph right as a fert

[mrnicebuddsn1]

i thought they shouldn't be very deficient during veg seeing i haven't really fertilized at all and rlly haven't been overwatering .... im only able 2 get around

2 watering 1 time a day at this point in time soon to change but i give um a good watering when there fully dry as they usually are after a full day or so of

no watering ( im talking seedlings right now ) and ive been watering/ flushing with ither verry acidic 5.5 (distilled)or 6 water for the watering of my clones

because they were planted in a high alkaline ph and im using high alkaline tap water dropted to about 6.5 with a drop or to of apple cider vinegar for

watering my seedlings and i cant seem to find the liquid sea weed so im jus sticking to epsom salt the apple cider viniger my organic n plant food thats

like 12-3-4 or something like that and some molasses and then my other organic ferts l8ter on .... im constintly thinkin of better things 2 do so i

appreciate all the advice and tips guys .... o0o n 1 more thing any 1 got a good % number for relative humidity u want in your room ?