Electricity usage, wiring, saftey, and YOU!

[bakedchef]

LOL^^^ I definately don't want to be messing around with it thats why I was hoping there was a n adapter for it. I completely agree that its not worth the trouble I have a basic electrician book which shows how to do most things, like install fixtures, properly run wiring, grounding, all that good stuff so I'm sure I can do it safely but I don't want to try because it is electricity and that shit hurts!!

I got shocked once by a 110 running a ban saw that had frayed wiring on the plug end and grabbed it wrong! It was the most interesting feeling ever, but my nuts hurt for like 2 days lol!

Peace

[13ronin]

lol. I done that too. There's a timer in my work that runs our landscaping HPS system. And its in an inconvenient place to reach. The plate that covers the wiring is missing, so if you slip when you are adjusting the timer you get a nice joly. Once it had my arm tingling for a few hours after and had me a lil dizzy for about minutes or so aafterward. It is an odd sensation that's for sure!

[waterbong]

use a surge protecter just to be safe i have the ones with lights on it to show me its grounded and protect.....running multible cords to on outlet useing splitters is NEVER a good idea for the same price you can pick up a surg protecter and sleep safe at night

[patriot 420]

Originally Posted by bakedchef

Hey Ronin I got another question for you, Is there an adapter I can buy to utilize this plug or do I have to do some rewiring to get it to run my lights and fans? It was for an electric range so I would think that it should be perfect to run my power through, also would there be any sort of advantage to using this outlet as opposed to the regular outlets I have (besides the extra outlets which are always good!

Thanks for any help

Peace

hey man i am an electician you can derive 120 volts from that receptacle. First kill your breaker. if you open that recept up youu should see a red, black and a white wire. the red, and black are your hots. The white is the neutral. the red and balck whould be delivering aroun 12o volts to ground. If you were to cut a hole in your wall install a bigger box ( 2 gang box is technical jargon) you could install two recepts in the box that were dedicated ( nothing else on them but whats plugged in). the problem is that the wire in box is probaly #8-#10 wire . check your panel if the breaker is a 30 amp breaker it probably is #10. getting that wire around the screws for a recept might be difficult and you would probaly want to get 20 amp recepts. or you could use only one of the wires put a wirenut around one of thn em push it to the back of the box. and use the other for the recept, and probably wouldnt hurt to disconnect the unused wire from the breaker in your box. Then you could have a extra slot in your box if you bought another breaker. if you did purchase another breaker you could get a 20 amp breaker and use the existing wire ( you can always upsize the wire on your breaker but never upsize the breaker on your wire)
gettn shocked and stoned is fn great

[patriot 420]

Originally Posted by 13ronin

Think I'm as confused as you are on that one...



No. Anything you split off of a 220v line will be 220v. Just like if you run another outlet from another one you don't end up with 55v, you still have 110v.

thats is incorrect there are three current carrying conductors in a 240 volt receceptacle. There should be one black(hot) , one red(hot) ,a white(neutral) and a bare copper wire ( ground). the Red and black should be carrying 120 volts to ground each. if you were to go to your panel you would see the wires are actually connectted to deifferent sides of the busbar in your panel box, but the breaker connects them at the disconnect point(switch)

[ricard0]

patriot 420 is correct. A 240 volt line receives 120 from two different conductors in the wire. It's a 3-conductor wire with a ground, just like patriot said. I'm a wire jockey as well.

However, i wouldn't suggest that anyone without basic electrical knowledge/experience attempt rewiring anything in the panel. It's one thing to kill a circuit and jack with it. But you and i both know Joe Homeowner shouldn't be opening the panel for anything other than flipping breakers. It's just not safe. C'mon, you've been buzzed before, just like i have

Please add a disclaimer to your posts that include how-to wiring advice aimed at non-electricians, that reiterates the dangers involved with electricity. Also might want to suggest having someone around them while attempting any alterations, when dispensing this sort of How-to-advise...... just in case. We'll all sleep better

While it is completely legal for a homeowner to do whatever repairs/upgrades on his home he chooses, without a license, it's not always a good idea.

Not bashing you at all. Answering questions is one thing, instructions are a-whole-nother shootin' match.

BTW patriot, welcome to the city. Glad to see we've got another sparky here to help man the thread.

+rep for a good post as well

[badwolf4]

And remember to treat the wires as live even if they are not.

[Lilpilgrim]

Originally Posted by DemmerSlave

Thanks for the quick answer.

I thought the math would work out that way but I was unsure due to all the BS listed. You seem to be the man with all the answers when it comes to electricity in the grow room. I would just like to add that there are 2 charges on my bill that are not rated per KWH. They are the System access charge and the Delivery surcharge. The System access never changes so I assume I can deduct this from the calculation but the delivery surcharge does change but there is no rate to go by so I will keep that in the equation. This makes my rate calculated at $41.70/428 which is 10.26 cents per KWH. I think thats right.

I live in a mobile home park and all my electricity comes from a large plug on a panel outside my back door. My bill says 1000W at the top. I have a full size fridge, washer and dryer in my place. Do I have the same amount of electricity coming to my place as people living in houses that are hard wired into the grid and not "plugged in"? I want to run at least a combo 600W HPS and MH setup with some T5 for clone and veg.

Hello DemmerSlave, and everyone else, I just wanted to throw in a few words of caution. But first congrats on wanting to grow in your Mobile home/Trailer, That being said here comes the caution..
Now I'm not knocking anyone that wants to grow, but in Mobile homes and especially older ones you have to remember a few things. The first is that on older mobile homes almost all the wire in them is "Aluminum" as opposed to houses that have copper wiring.
In my opinion Aluminum wire is NOT safe for running higher watts, and on that note, It only takes seven to nine minutes for a mobile to become completely engulfed when a fire breaks out..
Now I'm not sure how old/new your mobile is, Nor am I trying to discourage you from growing, I just want to let you know that there IS a difference between "House wire" and "Mobile home wire"
A friend of mine lost his mobile home to fire, and yes it had Aluminum wire and was at fault for the fire.. Overloaded outlets with plug in heaters in the winter time.
I have pulled many a miles of wire, and in my old house it had Aluminum wire when I bought it, The first thing I did after moving in was to replace/rewire the whole house. It took six boxes (250' per box) to do this+ new receptacles and alot of sweat!!
As I sit here and write this I know alot of you may be wondering "Who the fuck is this guy?" Well I'm an OLD stoner/grower/contractor/Dad/Grandpa and someone that doesnt want to see another person lose everything.. Take care man, Sorry this is soo long winded, but I thought it needed to be said... Peace

Pilgrim

[ricard0]

Originally Posted by badwolf4

And remember to treat the wires as live even if they are not.

Ah, the Golden Rule for electricians.
Work it like it's hot!

[ricard0]

Originally Posted by Lilpilgrim

Hello DemmerSlave, and everyone else, I just wanted to throw in a few words of caution. But first congrats on wanting to grow in your Mobile home/Trailer, That being said here comes the caution..
Now I'm not knocking anyone that wants to grow, but in Mobile homes and especially older ones you have to remember a few things. The first is that on older mobile homes almost all the wire in them is "Aluminum" as opposed to houses that have copper wiring.
In my opinion Aluminum wire is NOT safe for running higher watts, and on that note, It only takes seven to nine minutes for a mobile to become completely engulfed when a fire breaks out..
Now I'm not sure how old/new your mobile is, Nor am I trying to discourage you from growing, I just want to let you know that there IS a difference between "House wire" and "Mobile home wire"
A friend of mine lost his mobile home to fire, and yes it had Aluminum wire and was at fault for the fire.. Overloaded outlets with plug in heaters in the winter time.
I have pulled many a miles of wire, and in my old house it had Aluminum wire when I bought it, The first thing I did after moving in was to replace/rewire the whole house. It took six boxes (250' per box) to do this+ new receptacles and alot of sweat!!
As I sit here and write this I know alot of you may be wondering "Who the fuck is this guy?" Well I'm an OLD stoner/grower/contractor/Dad/Grandpa and someone that doesnt want to see another person lose everything.. Take care man, Sorry this is soo long winded, but I thought it needed to be said... Peace

Pilgrim

No advice is too long that applies to the safety of others.
Pilgrim, you sound like my old man. LOL. I love it.

[patriot 420]

Originally Posted by Lilpilgrim

Hello DemmerSlave, and everyone else, I just wanted to throw in a few words of caution. But first congrats on wanting to grow in your Mobile home/Trailer, That being said here comes the caution..
Now I'm not knocking anyone that wants to grow, but in Mobile homes and especially older ones you have to remember a few things. The first is that on older mobile homes almost all the wire in them is "Aluminum" as opposed to houses that have copper wiring.
In my opinion Aluminum wire is NOT safe for running higher watts, and on that note, It only takes seven to nine minutes for a mobile to become completely engulfed when a fire breaks out..
Now I'm not sure how old/new your mobile is, Nor am I trying to discourage you from growing, I just want to let you know that there IS a difference between "House wire" and "Mobile home wire"
A friend of mine lost his mobile home to fire, and yes it had Aluminum wire and was at fault for the fire.. Overloaded outlets with plug in heaters in the winter time.
I have pulled many a miles of wire, and in my old house it had Aluminum wire when I bought it, The first thing I did after moving in was to replace/rewire the whole house. It took six boxes (250' per box) to do this+ new receptacles and alot of sweat!!
As I sit here and write this I know alot of you may be wondering "Who the fuck is this guy?" Well I'm an OLD stoner/grower/contractor/Dad/Grandpa and someone that doesnt want to see another person lose everything.. Take care man, Sorry this is soo long winded, but I thought it needed to be said... Peace

Pilgrim

Damn youre from the ozarks and your sig says grab your ankles. Does anyone else hear a banjo in the background? nah Im from arkansas but damn

[ricard0]

Originally Posted by patriot 420

Damn youre from the ozarks and your sig says grab your ankles. Does anyone else hear a banjo in the background? nah Im from arkansas but damn

LMAO....

Could it be true? Is that you Burt? LOL

[patriot 420]

nah im not burt but anyone who pulls for the razorbacks can squeel like a piggy.

[Lilpilgrim]

Originally Posted by patriot 420

Damn youre from the ozarks and your sig says grab your ankles. Does anyone else hear a banjo in the background? nah Im from arkansas but damn

LMAO ya'll are too funny, I play Team Fortress 2, and yes my computer will bend your computer over and make it squeel like a little piggy... ahahaha j/k That is one of my sprays for the game, I also have a spray that says " Bend over for the good DR" My computer I built just for gamming, it has 6 gigs of 1066 mhz Corsair ddr 2, a RaidMax case on an ASUS board(my board will handle 8 gigs ddr 2) 64 bit OS and a Phenom Quad core 9750... she Smokes here look,

(o.O) THE. TEAMFORTRESS 2. THREAD. *For PC* (o.O)

Pilgrim

[Gallo Verde]

Excellent job, man! I am an electrician by trade and i agree with you 100% on the subject of safety. I have seen a few rooms set up with no regard for safety and a potential fire hazard all due to lack of knowledge. You have covered the subject well. All I can think of to add is proper wire size. That is #12 copper for a 20A circuit and #14 copper for a 15A circuit. As a general rule it is not allowed by the national electric code to demand more than 80% of a circuit breakers ampacity. The reason being simple. If you have a 20A circuit that rating is for overload protection. If you are constantley maxing your demand for power the breaker can fail over time which can be very costly if you dont catch it in time. There are also a few diff manufacturers of load centers(breaker boxes, panels, etc.), specifically older models, that WILL NOT TRIP in the event of an overload. The have been discontinued for obvious reasons. The #1 guilty party is a company called Federal Pacific, used frequently in the s west usa. Be aware of these guys they are fire starters. If you have a Fed Pac load center l strongly urge you to have it replaced if not for your personal safety alone. I am a newbie to the grow game, but have wired a few rooms for green farmers. Any questions anyone has on the electric side of things I am more than happy to answer. PLEASE, BE CAREFUL! Basic electrical wiring is very simple if you follow the rules. I love to break rules, but electricity is unforgiving! I do not break the rules when it comes to the basic laws of electricity. Much love!