Organic Growers... I am ready. Show me the way.

[Enuff4All2Share]

First off, thank you to those who actually answered to the theme of this particular thread.

Secondly, I thought both headless hornet and I wrote polite, to-the-point messages to each other.

Third, who said I haven't researched? I have taken some post-secondary horticulture courses (passed with Flying Colors!), but I don't expect you to know that, now do I? I have also looked into various recipes online, and they have followed similar veins - soil additives (most sources called it an organic premix and contains a mix of bone and seed meal, lime and kelp meal), teas - made with guanos and other water soluable nutrient sources; and fish emulsions seemed to be what I saw repeatedly. But my problem is that these recipes are posted and left... there is no interaction or ongoing communication to draw upon. Many aren't related to the topic of sensimilla farming, so do the same things apply? For example, I know that cannabis prefers an acidic soil, so do I really want to add any dolomite lime (an alkaline). After a enough of this, my thought was that Grasscity is online for a reason, and this seemed to be it.

I did an innitial search through the archives, but rather than revive an old thread, I decided to start anew. Let's face it, topics are going to be repeated in an online forum, especially one as sexy as some good, earth-grown buds. I didn't see anything recently, so hey - I thought the time was right.

Look... my panties aren't in a bunch or anything. We have to look out for our forums or they quickly get overgrown by crapilly crapped crap. But sometimes an entry is really just an honest question looking for a thought-provoking answer.

Love,

E4A2S

[joxter]

it's good to hear you have done some research. for future reference you will get better responses by asking exact, specific questions. rather than just simply asking, i want to do an organic grow, what do i do? i'm not saying thats what you asked exactly, but pretty close. that post you just made about your research, what you found and what lacked information, would have been a great first post in this thread.

[Enuff4All2Share]

Have you read my first post? (edit. If you haven't...)

I have a couple of nice simple bagseed grows under my belt and the next seeds I sprout are going to live in a non-chemical world. I want to make my own organic feeding regimen consisting of a pre-mix soil additive and some sort of soluable nutrient, like manure/guano tea or something. I'm all ears, so show me what ya' gots!

E4A2S



I asked - specifically - what people use for premix and tea. I didn't feel the need to outline how much research I had put in prior to asking, or give a bibliography of my sources. I don't feel the need to justify this simple question any further. I've read posts by yourself, and I don't feel your insights have been profound enough for you to judge me, yet at one point in this thread you were actively detering the free flow of information from others because you had deemed me "lazy" and "worthless"... someone who just hadn't done his research. Well, did you do your research on ME before you decided to educate others on who I am and what I'm worth? I guess I think you have picked a battle that needn't be. I'm not ignorant, nor have I posted as if I were. Drop your attitude on me or go pick on someone else for grammar or something equally as petty. I don't have the patience for this anymore...


Peace,
E4A2S

[joxter]

hahaha i tried to give you respect for doing research, and trying to help you to get better help in the future. but you still seem to be an arrogant ass.

and here read it again, "I have a couple of nice simple bagseed grows under my belt and the next seeds I sprout are going to live in a non-chemical world. I want to make my own organic feeding regimen consisting of a pre-mix soil additive and some sort of soluable nutrient, like manure/guano tea or something. I'm all ears, so show me what ya' gots!"

"i'm all ears, so show me what ya' gots!" nice.

your not asking anything specifically.

i simply already stated i was ill informed, and jumped to conclusions about you, and reconized that you had done a little bit of research. you my friend are very ignorant, i have not had an attitude on this board for months because i already learned that there are always going to be people that ask the same things over and over again. and to say that my insights aren't profound enough to judge you?

and if you weren't to busy trying to hold your pride high in the sky, you would have actually read my first post and realized i wasn't even talking to you. and the "worthless" part was refering to a lazy mans grow, not a human.

and in my last post i simply let you know how to get better responses out of people on this board. open your eyes, and stop trying to be an alpha male

[Enuff4All2Share]

I noticed on hashmouf's recipe (thanks + rep for that, by the way) he calls for lime. Do people prefer dolomite lime or calcitic lime, or a mixture of both? I guess dolomite lime contains magnesium and calcium, where calcitic lime delevers more readily available calcium. Opinions, anyone? Joxter? This is, after all, why I came here.

E4A2S

[RollinFace]

Ok forget all that complicated mixtures....there is one mix that is easy, 100% organic and does not require any nutrients until late flower if not straight water. here it is:

Fox Farm Ocean Forest 1/3
Fox Farm Light Warrior 1/3
Fox Farm Red Bag Soil 1/3

thats it!

[Enuff4All2Share]

I have heard some really good things about the Fox Farm products (they keep on appearing regularly in these forums), and I may give them a whirl at some point, but for now I will be going by a recipe. Later, I can compare results of the two and go from there.

BTW, if I wanted to add nutes to a flowering grow, can I make teas from bone meal, or any other phospherous-rich supply?


Thanks,
E4A2S

[GotzMahGatt]

Just buy some guano. Cheap and effective.

[heyjoe]

Originally Posted by Enuff4All2Share

I noticed on hashmouf's recipe (thanks + rep for that, by the way) he calls for lime. Do people prefer dolomite lime or calcitic lime, or a mixture of both? I guess dolomite lime contains magnesium and calcium, where calcitic lime delevers more readily available calcium. Opinions, anyone? Joxter? This is, after all, why I came here.

E4A2S

I've seen lime suggested a lot in soil mix recipes, usually of the dolomite variety.
My impression was it was used to help balance the ph, I didn't know it had calcium in it. Ideal ph seems to be about 6.2-6.5 for soil so you don't want it too acidic.

[Enuff4All2Share]

Cool... some good suggestions and options. Has anyone done both organic and chem-based grows? How do they compare with regards to yield, potency, flavor, etc.

In addition, at what point do you start adding supplementary nutes? Are there any grow journals out there with a well-documented organic feeding regimen? I have looked at five or six, but they went:

post #1 - Look at my pics
post #2 - Wow man! Give me some! LOL
post #3 - That's Daaaaaaaank, dude!
post #4 - Look at more pics....

... and the cycle repeats.

I don't know... the more I look at it, the more appealing rollinface's Fox Farm suggestion is. Actually I have been thinking of trying a grow with no additional nutes, just to see how it goes... maybe one plant out of the next crew can be my control. Hmmm... would that be a decent journal? A Nute-Shootout?

E4A2S

[higherthan757]

Originally Posted by Hashmouf

That has some truth, but some people need interaction to learn this why we have teachers, if we were all forced to learn independently most people would fail completely.

I find it more productive to share and attempt to help rather then bitch and moan about a simple question. At least he is making some effort to gain knowledge of growing unlike most of these assholes who grow terribly and think they are pros who know it all.

I agree some research is in order, but the research material would not exist unless someone asked a question in the first place.

I AGREE 110% PROPS FOR NOT BEING A DICK. Ive never met soo many "stoners" who have sticks up their asses.

[Enuff4All2Share]

It did seem like people were more interested in schooling me then sharing knowledge, at first, but I did get a bit of gold in there. I have been checking out mister postman's grow... he has a nice touch, and writes nuch more eloquently then some. And Hashmouf's recipe and attitude were excellent!

E4A2S

[Enuff4All2Share]

Originally Posted by GotzMahGatt

...If you are interested ill throw up my regement... this shit is cheap ($70 for a gallon of fish emulsion, a pound of open sesame, and 11 lbs of guano) and i have done four small grows and my shit isn't even half gone yet... Organic is so the way to go!

Very interested! Yeah spill the beans, my friend!

E4A2S

[HUBSonDUBS]

I do agree is someone posts something revolving around go look it up yourself then why are they part of this forum? It seems very clear that this forum is a Q and A forum meaning answers not rude comments telling you to look it up. If we wanted to look it up we would have googled that shizee.

Anyway, I felt this post would be more helpful if someone gave their opinions of an organic recipe for hydroponics that has been used and proven to be sufficient..... or

If not how bout a brand that creates its own organic liquidized nutrients?(that you have used)

[pdxguitar]

what I find annoying is when I am trying to do a search and learn stuff but all I get are threads of people asking a question and getting the "search for it" replies. All in all, that does not help me because all I am finding are a bunch of empty threads. If people would put the energy they put into arguing about this and say:

"Hey, you could find this by searching, here are links, and then... try this, it's what I use..." That is what makes this an information portal... not "search douche bag and look at my 1001 post count"

PDX