well, heres my setup..

[dragoon990]

ok, ive got almost everything planned, payed for, and accounted for.. the only thing left to do is to wait till i recieve my seeds and son agro. heres what my setup is going to look like..

i dont know if the ozone generator will take away 100% of the smell, but i need suggestions on how to completely combat the smell of 8 potent mazar...

thx for all your help,

PeacE

[sidious]

where's the fan gonna go as that looks like it's gonna be one very tight box.....also watch your height, and know when to harvest to allow for it.....eg....pot=8" approx...plant when fully flowered =24"-30".....distance from light approx 16" for a 400w.....the light itself=? say 10"........the height of the top for ballast and stuff....?....say another 10"....= approx 74".......these are all approximates...but just do your calculations and hopefully you'll not need to adjust your set-up as the grow goes on.....ps being able to adjust the height of your light can be very benneficial........ps if you're using a 400w hps, that's gonna be one vert hot box, i hope that laundry room has a window to allow lots of cool air?.....apart from that.....looks pretty good.....Peace out....Sid

[sidious]

ps as for odour...i've heard a lot of good things about fitting bounce sheets in the extractor pipe......in case you've never heard of them, they are using for putting in a tumble dryer, to make clothes smell fresh.....just a thought......Peace out....Sid

[dragoon990]

sry for the long post.. but ive researched alot and still got alot to find out and to say..

well, im hoping to mount some sort of cooling system with a vertical fan blowing cool air between the tops of the plants and the bottom of the hps, this should help both with air circulation and temp problems..

also, im going to run some ducting from the input down past the top area and into the plant area into the vicinity of the vertical cooling fans to circulate the air better..

the ventilation is the only part of my setup that has possibilities to compromise the stealth and security of my grow operation.. for this reason i am going to need some VERY low decibel fans, such that it is virtually impossible to hear them running at all... do you know of any places where i could acquire some low sone fans? ive checked around and this is the best i could come up with.. but i think itll be pricey, and the company is hard to order from:
http://www.broan.ca/product-detail.asp?ProductID=634

PS: AWESOME idea with the bounce sheets(i could even put 4or5 together and force the air to run through them..), although as ive read before, "any strong odours that were not there before the grow, also compromise security, as others in the household will be wary of the necessities of an abundance of smell retardation.."

this is why i was thinking about some sort of combination deionizer and ozone generator, to actually "destroy" the smell, and not just cover it up. expensive, but after one successful harvest, even the most expensive equipment will pay for itself..

Peace

[dragoon990]

o, and as for the height calculations, thanks VERY much for the forewarning,

as i hadnt thought of the full implicatons of the pots height + plants height + dist plant to light + ballast/vent/odor control area: equalling more than my alloted 6ft. ill have to watch that one..

PecE

[vatoloco]

Don't forget to put pantyhose in the input exhaust so bugs don't get in there.

Is this a closet grow? That's the only reason I could see myself putting the ballast and ozone generator above the light...looks dangerous, especially when ballasts way over 40 pounds...but you're building your own so it might be lighter.

A 400W for 8 plants? I dunno maybe 6...you could probably do 8 if you train them and maybe rotate them a couple times during the light period. You could go with a bigger light but then you'd have to deal with temp issues.

Home Depot has some good fans, if you're in the states. Looks like a good setup, I would only change a few things.

[dragoon990]

yup, my closet IS my growroom, i figure a closet is basically a ready made growroom that needs some modifications and addons to be perrrfect..

the ballast only consists of a capacitator, ignitor, and transformer.. those three parts are wired together and subsequently put in a "ballast box" with venting. If done by yourself the ballast shouldnt be that large at all.. definitely not 40 pounds for one 430 watt HID.. the only difficult part is going to be wiring the components together, and ive got an electrician friend and the city to help me with that one(heh when i first saw all the parts it looked a little bit more than "daunting", chek my other threads.. )

also, ozone is a gas that is heavier than air, it makes sense to put it up higher, and especially near the in/out put vents, as this will destroy the smell before it gets a chance to go anywhere and also will be circulated around the growroom better.

thx for the home depot fan idea, ill check to see if they have any around .3 sones, i doubt most ppl there will even know what a sone is.. lol, but ill try some local stores out anyways...

also, im totally open to any suggestions that you might have, what would you change? no amount of research that i can do can amount to an experienced grower's knowledge... thx everyone,

PeacE

[vatoloco]

Well, this is just a suggestion, but if I were you I would keep the ballast and timer outside the room...if it's anyway possible. The ballast along with the light will make it toasty in there. Then you would have more height to work with...maybe you could run the wire for the ballast out the hole that the exhaust goes out of.

[dragoon990]

hmmmm... well, thats an awesome idea.. and i really wish i could, because i can already see that temperature is going to be a problem in there.. but the thing is that it has to be as contained as possible, and also maybe with the extra detail and 2nd diagram you can see my situation more fully..

as you can see below thats basically the two rooms out of four in my basement that are going to be affected... there are horizontal and vertical crossbars(the wooden crossbars that hold up the floor upstairs, and the roof downstairs, the ones above the tile) that i am planning on running the exhaust ducting through.

the furnace runs a vent through a hole in the wall approx 4ft wideby 1.5 ft tall(the furnace duct itself is only about a foot and a half wide and 1.4ft tall) and into one of those horizontal crossbars and actually over my closet.

1. thats where my input vent will be, ill run a length of plastic ducting through the corridor beside the furnace duct and ill cut a hole through the roof of my growroom(its only .5cm thick panelling in there)

2. ill cut an adjacent hole for the output exhaust and run the same size ducting through the paralell corridor for the output exhaust.

3. On the roof in my room, there is a removeable tile which had the original purpose of accessing the sprinkler shutoff valve. I will be able to remove the tile and thus allow the exhaust into the room. The already ozonized air(see above diagram) will be forced through a carbon filter before being let out through the hole into the room. The carbon filter that i put up there should be an effective and large item, which will COMPLETELY destroy absolutely any scent left in the ozonized air.


well, thats about it.. if anyone sees any flaws, or ways to make my setup better, more stealthy, or more efficient, than please by all means tell me. I am open to any and all suggestions.

thx all,

PeacE

[dragoon990]

no suggestions? i guess its all good then.. i thought there had to be some flaws.......

owell, on from planning and research to the final stages and putting it all together. Wish me luck!

thx all,

PecE

[bud stuffer]

if you can, try to extend the imput air flow to the floor for maximum circulation and cooling, but other than that i see no biggies.

[dragoon990]

Originally posted by bud stuffer
if you can, try to extend the imput air flow to the floor for maximum circulation and cooling, but other than that i see no biggies.

"also, im going to run some ducting from the input down past the top area and into the plant area into the vicinity of the vertical cooling fans to circulate the air better.."



will do,

PecE

[dragoon990]

kool, sounds good!

as ive said before, stealth is the #1 concern, as there are others in the house that must not know what is going on down there in my growroom... ive looked into low sone fans and some odor control, but i dont know if it will be enough...

do you know if an ozone generator with a decent (but safe healthwise) ppm level at the outtake vent, combined with a carbon filter in the outtake duct, will control all of the smell from 8 budding potent feminized mazar plants? or will the smell be too overpowering and still detectable after an ozonization and carbon filter??

thanx all,

PecE

[Mr.X]

you should propobly try and get a fan blowing on the plants... that has helped a lot for me anyways .... and i found that 4x2 " is a little restricted for me ... and i only have 3 plants ... u mght wanna go a little bigger ... u u want as many plants as i saw in that picture...

[dragoon990]

well, i am mounting a vertical fan on the side of my closet to disperse the vented in air better.. that will help with smell too? sounds good, thx for tha tip

also, the plants that i will be growing are going to be from feminized mazar seeds(easier, and no f*cking around with alot of wasted time on males and no pollen concerns). Mazar are a predominately indica strain, a "short bushy, christmas tree like plant". They smell like a motha, but are extremely potent. That way i can do my own little SOG with my setup, not the real thing with 20+ plants or whatever, but 8 medium-small plants that can veg for a month or so, and then be turned on to 12-12 so they flower and reach a modest height, but not "jungleish". I can also have more harvests that way.. Also, ive read that a plant per sq foot is about right for medium sized plants with 3 gallon jugs..

but you say you have 3 plants in a 4X2 area and its restricted?? what kind of strain is it? probably a little more on the sativa side i would think.. also, are your plants from clones or seeds(feminized or non)?

thx very much for the input, no amount of research can equal an experienced grower's knowledge...

PecE