Kamel's CFL Guide

[SmknVTEC]

I hate to be the only guy answering questions in this great thread but since I see no one has answered your question in two days I will shoot. You might want to wait until you have the $$$ for the HPS. Reason being, not all animal and plant bulbs work. You will have to buy specific ones. If you are willing to do that let me know and I will look back and find which bulbs are useable. I think someone listed them here a few pages back.

[viBe]

VTEC i have a quick question about the fan you were using on the first post in this thread. does it plug into a wall outlet? and how did you get it to work if it does. i have a small computer fan that has a white, red and black wire that comes out of it. and i have a DC12V battery charger that i connected to it. im not sure what wire goes where but i tried a few combinations and the fan seemed to want to move i could hear it humming but it wouldn't spin. any ideas?

[weeedmaaan]

Kamel...this is a very helpful thread, really the pictures are great...this is the exact way im growing right now, and it gives me a little moral boost to know that im not the only one who doesnt want to spend $600 on a grow room..anyways...VERY HELPFUL MAN

peace and respect

Originally Posted by KamelRedLight

This is for the first time growers, the financially challenged, or those who are afraid to use their card online, but too lazy to fill out a money order.

Why Use CFL's?
Because. Not everyone has a big space to grow in. When space and heat are an issue, HID's become less practical as you are faced with either rigging a cooling system which could involve cutting holes in walls, ducting, and more power usage, and of course more $$$. Or what if you're just growing a couple plants at a time to keep your own stash full (like me), and don't want to go through the trouble of HID lights? CFL's are everywhere, in all shapes and sizes, and are CHEAP. Most need no special fixture, and can be placed much closer. They are a great way to start out growing, keep a small crop going, or use with HID lights. With practice, your CFL grows can rival your neighbor's HID grows.

Types: CFL's come in mainly two flavors, Soft White (color temperature 2700k) and Daylight (color temperature 6500k). For a complete grow, you should use both. Soft white mimics the spectrum of a HPS light, and is best suited for flowering. Daylight's color spectrum is like that of metal halide lights, and is excellent for the vegetative stage. (This applies to tubes too. Around 6500k for veg, around 2700k for flower.) There are also tubes labeled plant and aquarium. I haven't seen them in CFL form, but they have no real color temp, so I'm not sure on their efficiency, but I've used them and it's rather slow growth for the watts.
-There is a large difference in vegetative growth when going from soft white to daylight. Therefore I recommend you use daylight CFL's for vegging, even if you are flowering with a HPS light, because they do not stretch the plants. You don't need much light for good veg growth, especially when using 6500k CFL's. If power savings are a priority, 30w per plant can suffice to a decent size, but more is always better.
-Of course, use 2700k soft white for flowering. I have no results to back it up, but I like to use a single daylight bulb while flowering too, just to balance the spectrum. Whether it helps or not, it's more light nonetheless.
-I wouldn't recommend using any CFL under 20w, because it's just too damn small. (Remember, when talking CFL wattage, refer to the actual watts used, not the incandescent equivalent, i.e. 26w CFL = 100w Incan.) Lights of America is a cheap brand, and while they work, they don't last as long and fail prematurely more than other brands. GE and Phillips are big names, and make a more reliable and slightly more powerful product since they have a name to uphold. Monster CFL's 65w and up work great too, either a self-ballasted screw-in type, or the type that needs a special fixture with the ballast built into it. They can pump out lumens like a HID. Again, my Lights of America 65w Daylight burnt out in a week, but it was 11 bucks and easily replaced.

Using CFL's: One of the advantages of CFL's is that they screw into any normal light socket. Therefore, mounting options are endless. Take into account the size, shape, and heat given off by CFL's when deciding how to place them.
-Light comes from every square inch of the bulb, and to get the most out of them, try to have every inch facing as much plant matter as possible. More light comes off the side of the long 42w spirals than the front, for example. CFL's are not as intense as HID lights, so distance is critical. You don't want your lights more than 4 inches away from your plants. With LST, you can put your CFL's literally inside the plant, between branches so that all the light is being used. Try to light all sides, not just the tops.
-Reflecting light is important with CFL's to use every bit of light they give off. Use good reflectors, paint your walls flat bright white, or get mylar.
-However, if your CFL is too close it may burn the leaves, so trimming or a fan may be needed (recommended anyway for stronger stems). Bigger bulbs obviously are hotter than smaller bulbs. Fluorescent tubes can touch the plant without burning it, but an average CFL will roast anything it comes in contact with. Even 26w CFL's burn. You want to get close, but not too close. Try to stay about 1 inch away. Having a fan blow right through the plant over all the lights helps get them closer. And monitor your plants so they don't grow into the lights. If you're going away for a week, move the lights up in anticipation of your plants' vertical growth.

How many watts should you get? There's no real answer, just the rule that more is better. Try 100w for 1 plant, any more can usually share the light already there, so maybe 30-50 additional watts each, depending on your situation (remember, look at actual watts used, not incandescent equivalent). You can tell when you need more light, when parts of the plant are in shade and buds are barely coming in. Those areas need some direct light. Once all bud sites are well lit, you shouldn't be disappointed. You can add as many lights as you can fit, respecting power, heat, and space. But don't leave parts of the plant in shadow, get another 26w CFL and stick it in that hole.

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by viBe

VTEC i have a quick question about the fan you were using on the first post in this thread. does it plug into a wall outlet? and how did you get it to work if it does. i have a small computer fan that has a white, red and black wire that comes out of it. and i have a DC12V battery charger that i connected to it. im not sure what wire goes where but i tried a few combinations and the fan seemed to want to move i could hear it humming but it wouldn't spin. any ideas?

Hey viBe I think the fan you were looking at was Kamels not mine. He has not been on here for a while. My guess is you either have it hooked up wrong or the fan is itself shot. Otherwise can't help ya.

Hey man, what's with your sig? I have a stock VTEC that I personally ran in the low 14's. A better driver, better prepared track and better atmospheric conditions, would render low 13's. Bet you can guess which VTEC. When I put a turbo on her with a modest 6 lbs. of boost, I will have a VTEC that does low 12's high 11's; thats with about 400-425 WHP.

[viBe]

yea i just noticed that...sry but yea i got it to work im proud of myself

i just dicided to put that idk why no offense im just a dsm guy...build your engine so you can run more boost. i know a few people that have gt35r's in the hondas but mostly just a track car. Hondas are quick little fuckers tho. cuz there built like a go-kart (light i mean)

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by viBe

yea i just noticed that...sry but yea i got it to work im proud of myself

i just dicided to put that idk why no offense im just a dsm guy...build your engine so you can run more boost. i know a few people that have gt35r's in the hondas but mostly just a track car. Hondas are quick little fuckers tho. cuz there built like a go-kart (light i mean)

Yeah if I build the motor I could get up to 600 hp. Then they have a stage 3 build which goes even higher. We will see, lots of $$,$$$.

[viBe]

http://www.chitowndsm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456

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[SmknVTEC]

Hmm, I am unable to see the video's.

[Rumpleforeskin]

Never buy a thing from spammer cops like http://www.esplighting.com.

[toastybiz]

Originally Posted by EspLighting.com

I hope this posting was of value to everyone here.

Yes, very valuable...in identifying a spammer who should be banned from here.

[venumus]

i just bought 300watts of cfls for 6.54. they are selling 4x23watt bulbs for 1.99. i went online and checked the color spectrum and wamo 2700. peeeerrrrrfeeeeeeeecccttt. just thought i would pass on find to my friends over here

[Ciscokid930]

can you use both the cool white and the daylight for both veg and flower? I'm planning on doing 2 plants with 8 CFL's, could i get 4 daylight and 4 cool white and run them at all times and just cut it to 12/12 when i flower? Or would i have to get 8 and 8 cool white for each state? Thanks

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by Ciscokid930

can you use both the cool white and the daylight for both veg and flower? I'm planning on doing 2 plants with 8 CFL's, could i get 4 daylight and 4 cool white and run them at all times and just cut it to 12/12 when i flower? Or would i have to get 8 and 8 cool white for each state? Thanks

You could go half and half all the way through if you like.

[igotammo]

this should be a stickkyyy

[toastybiz]

Originally Posted by igotammo

this should be a stickkyyy

You're right, it should. In fact, that's why it already is a sticky...