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Old 11-21-2002, 10:44 PM
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Minimize your heat singniture!

Infrared cameras are widely used by law enforcement for border patrol, grow room confirmation, and other surveillance operations. The courts approved the use of this technology as it is considered non-invasive.

Growers fear IR because its difficult to hide・invisible heat. Protecting yourself against excessive heat emissions is a good defensive measure. This FAQ focuses on masking heat emissions.

What is infrared?
Light and heat energy warm objects, which then re-radiate excess energy. Some of this excess energy is emitted as low-energy infrared. IR is invisible to the naked eye, but can be displayed and measured by specialized cameras.

What does Leo look for?
Officers are trained to look for hot spots on walls and windows, unusually warm foundations, exhaust emissions from vents and chimneys, and warming trends typical of marijuana grow operations. Leo will wait until evening or early morning (when the grow is up to full temperature and the air is cool). He will also look for light leaks, smells and other info at this time.

Note: Leo will try to image a suspected grow-op from all angles, but is only legally able to do so from public property (ie. Sidewalks, roads, public paths, etc).

Note: power companies occasionally image power pole transformers to see if they are abnormally hot (problems), and to source power theft.

Legal implications
(ExpensiveCloset) "A thermal imaging scan does not intrude in any way into the privacy and sanctity of a home・he privacy associated with a home, are (not) threatened by thermal imagery." (US supreme court ruling)

"The Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 on June 11 [2001] that police cannot use infrared heat-detecting technology to gather evidence from a private home without a search warrant" High Times, October 2001 (Pg.20)

In Canada, IR is used in the pre-investigation phase. Positive results can then be used to obtain a search warrant.

Will Insulation help?
Conventional insulation will help block IR, but it is probably not enough by itself. A fully insulated wall (R 40) will hold heat much longer than a window (R 2). Concrete is a good conductor of heat; after hours of HID lighting, foundations will become abnormally warm.

Most growers flower at night to take advantage of the naturally cooler air; unfortunately, a warm grow house will radiate lots of thermal energy compared to the cool night air.

How do I mask my heat emissions?
Note: Small grows (under 2000w) would probably not emit enough heat to warrant the effort or expense.

Note: Reducing grow room temperature will reduce heat emissions; however, the grow room will still be warmer than surrounding basement rooms.

This technique creates a false wall to contain cold air. Interlocking rigid foam panels prevent hot grow room air from contacting and warming house walls. Cold air is blown into the gap between the foam and the walls for maximum protection. The wall exterior will appear 祖old・to an IR camera, indicating a negative for internal heat.

キ "Partial room" (insulate exposed walls only)
キ "Room in a room" (entire rooms are insulated)

*Floor. Concrete foundations absorb heat readily. Build a sub floor to raise the entire grow off the floor.

*Walls. Use interlocking 1.5 or 2・foam insulation along all exposed walls. Place the insulation 1-4・away from walls, fit foam panels from floor to ceiling (some cutting may be required), and blow cold air into the gap. Seal seams and corners with tape. Cover walls with Mylar to reflect heat back into the room.

*Windows. Windows are essentially uninsulated, so you must fill the gap with insulation. Draw the curtains/blinds, add black poly behind, then add insulation.

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A ・Public property that Leo can image from

B ・Internal basement room. Grow room heat will still be noticeable, and this side needs protection.

C -- 全afe・basement rooms. Put ballasts and reservoir outside to minimize heat

D ・Partially insulated growroom. The pink band is the interlocking foam insulation, the blue band is the cold air contained between the insulation and the house walls. The window on the bottom of the picture can be open to allow cold air to enter the air gap. Room temperature air can also be blown in from an adjacent basement room through a hole in the foam panels.



Hiding the Exhaust
Safely exhausting hot air is difficult; Leo looks for unusual heat emissions coming from opened windows, chimneys, dryer vents and other handy places. Note: running exhaust to outside sheds, barns and tree stumps is well known to Leo.
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Old 11-21-2002, 10:51 PM
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Lightbulb heat reclaimers

There are heat reclaimers that will extract heat from air and move it to water which you then either pipe down through your sink or dump into your hot water heater.
Granted it is maybe an expense way to take care of the problem..first you have to collect the hot air via afan then it gets drwn into the heat reclaimer.
 
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i heard that they made it illegal to look in your house with IR, calling it an invasion of privacy, which it is.
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i heard that they made it illegal to look in your house with IR, calling it an invasion of privacy, which it is.
I've heard that too, anyone know if it's true?
 
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he just said the following:

Legal implications
(ExpensiveCloset) "A thermal imaging scan does not intrude in any way into the privacy and sanctity of a home the privacy associated with a home, are (not) threatened by thermal imagery." (US supreme court ruling)
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He also said the following:

The Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 on June 11 [2001] that police cannot use infrared heat-detecting technology to gather evidence from a private home without a search warrant" High Times, October 2001 (Pg.20)

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what about people who own reptiles? they have to have lamps in their cages to keep the temps around 80 (similar to weed)... lol. to the smaller grower... no prob. just buy a snake (or any reptile from a warmer climate)
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