S&N VS S&P forums

[the roach]

With the utmost respect to the people who worked hard on getting the forum off the ground, in the end I have to say I dont get it. I dont think it will work very well compared to a single, massive Science, Religion, Philosophy and Nature forum.

Science, Nature, Religion and Spirituality are all intertwined.

I underlined the topics that intertwine with Religion and Science

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

What goes in the Spirituality and Philosophy Forum? Anything relating to the subjects like:

- Metaphysics
- Aesthetics
- Ethics
- Epistemology
- Religion
- God
- faith

What about threads that discuss Ethics in Science? Technological advances that question religion, faith and the idea of a god?
And what about threads concerning the nature and religion?

Abortion, Cloning, Evolution, All of these topics are intertwined with science, technology and religion.

In the first thread alone, There was an argument about whether or not Nature and Evolution should be classified with Science or Religion.

Originally Posted by Smigs

Maybe this new forum, could suffice, all the athiestic, agnostic, posts. Instead of putting them, in the Spirituality forum.

Originally Posted by scoobydooby67

screw that.
im a very spiritual atheist.
i believe in nature, not god. doesnt mean i cant contribute.

Originally Posted by Smigs

How can you, separate nature, from God ??

Originally Posted by Smigs

Why can't evolution, be a life starting process, from the Higher Power ?

Originally Posted by scoobydooby67

it is.

nature is my higher power.

when im hiking i feel so connected to her and everyone im around, especially if im tripping.

a truly breathtaking emotion.

The forum is facing some serious hurdles already.

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

This is the S&P forum, therefore God is not only expected here but welcome and if you are a member that disagrees with the very basic premise of this place, post in the S&N Forum. The S&N forum is meant for members that don't think the same way as some of us and is here for them to express their ideas in an environment that is most conducive.

I greatly appreciate all the work you mods do to keep the forums a less childish place. I realise that it must get annoying banning people and constantly warning people in the S&P forum, and putting up with slander and insults but I dont think creating the S&N forum was the right move.

I think it would have been better to create another no holds barred pandora's box that dealt with science, religion, etc that had a warning for all those who enter it. (I know that it is the opposite of GC's mood and way of operating but I thought I should throw it out there even though it will never happen.)

Or what about a single forum dedicated to Science, Religion, Philosophy, and Spirituality?

I also realise that my opinion ultimately doesn't matter, as you mods hold all of the power. I just wanted to say what I think, and see if anyone else agrees or disagrees.

Dont ban me!

[ReformMaryJaneLaws]

Suggestions and opinions of the members do matter. It's one reason the S&N forum was created.

[AK Infinity]

Why would you get banned for expressing your opinion bro? You raise some valid points, but instead of shooting down the idea before it gets off of the ground, lets wait and see what happens. There are times when some of the ideas intertwine, but science remains a distinct concept apart from religion and we wanted to address those posters that could better thrive in that environment. The separate forum was created out of respect for various blades and in the interests of keeping this place a bit tidier.

As problems arise we'll handle them, but let's give it a chance first, this is a work in progress.

Stay green.

[the roach]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

Why would you get banned for expressing your opinion bro? You raise some valid points, but instead of shooting down the idea before it gets off of the ground, lets wait and see what happens. There are times when some of the ideas intertwine, but science remains a distinct concept apart from religion and we wanted to address those posters that could better thrive in that environment. The separate forum was created out of respect for various blades and in the interests of keeping this place a bit tidier.

As problems arise we'll handle them, but let's give it a chance first, this is a work in progress.

Stay green.

Alright, I can agree with that

[scoobydooby67]

ak's point was true,

there will be times when the two forums will overlap,

but i guess its our job to discern which forum our threads belong in.

::buckles under the weight of responsibility::

[CosmicSerpent]

I think the S&N section was a good idea, although the two will tend to overlap a little. Some of these subjects are hard to categorize because people have their own personal beliefs. I think the best thing to do when posting in either of these sections should be to keep an open mind and be respectful of our differences. The fact that someone does or does not believe in God shouldn't interfere with our ability to communicate with each other, and doesn't effect a person's value as a human being. So what if there's a gray area where the sections overlap? It makes for more interesting discussion. Just keep this in mind:

If the thread is talking about accepted science or a scientific theory, it belongs in Science & Nature. Or if it is talking about the Earth in a physical non-spiritual way, it belongs there as well.

If a thread is talking about spiritual beliefs, or trying to understand the world in a way that combines science with subjective opinion, then it belongs in Spirituality & Philosophy.

With subjects that are questionable, just use your best judgment. Evolution belongs in S&N, and creationism belongs in S&P. A thread with both of them belongs in S&P because it's a philosophical discussion in nature.

What GC really needs is a "Politics & Current Events" section or something like that. Maybe that's what the "Coming Soon" section will be eventually?

[AK Infinity]

Before I get to the S&N thing let me sort of digress, blades need to understand that GrassCity only runs efficiently because a majority of members here choose to be civil, no amount of moderation could route a mass rebellion. If blades chose to do otherwise there'd be a cyber bloodbath. Certainly it would be ideal if everyone respected each other, but if they did that, it would mean additional forums would be unnecessary. The City needs to promote the general respect of blades for one other, that way when they post their ideas, they might be greeted with friendship and mutual understanding not divisive competitiveness. Until such a time as we have achieved that state bliss we have to make due and enhance what we have.

I don't know if a Politics & Current Events Forum is a good idea, politics are too disruptive, besides what's the point in having a "General Forum" if all we're doing is creating separate forums for every random idea? I could be wrong, but I think if people attempted to have a little more respect for each other none of this elaborate slight of hand would be necessary.

As far as the S&P and S&N forums are concerned, I just hope people follow their sense about what's kind and orderly. Life is what it is, but it only becomes complicated when we hesitate to do what's right.

Stay green.

[the color green]

I'm going to ask the same question as I did in the other feedback thread: Was the S&N forum created to curb religious debate in general, or just disrespectful debate? Is it OK to debate theism in either of the forums or just in S&P or vice versa?

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by the color green

I'm going to ask the same question as I did in the other feedback thread: Was the S&N forum created to curb religious debate in general, or just disrespectful debate? Is it OK to debate theism in either of the forums or just in S&P or vice versa?

Debate, religious or otherwise will always happen regardless, but what people need are options, avenues and alternatives throughout the dialogue, which is a lot bigger than the S&P. There will be overlap but not emphasis to the extent that there's a blur between the two. Why turn the S&N forum into the S&P, unless you're saying that they're one and the same which they aren't. Science should be looked as a separate discipline, not a response to a religious system of thought.

[Digit]

As some of you have already seen, there is a new forum at GrassCity and I'd like to take a second to explain a few of the ramifications. We are trying to make a clear distinction between views that are scientific/evidence based and those that are "faith based." This is not a debate forum; members don't come to the S&P to defend their views, so therefore a different approach is going to be implemented on divisive threads that are best suited for the new forum.

This is the S&P forum, therefore God is not only expected here but welcome and if you are a member that disagrees with the very basic premise of this place, post in the S&N Forum. The S&N forum is meant for members that don't think the same way as some of us and is here for them to express their ideas in an environment that is most conducive.

What goes in the Science and Nature Forum? Anything relating to the subjects like:

- Astronomy
- Mathematics
- Archaeology
- Geology
- Chemistry
- Computers and or any technology
- Linguistics
- Zoology

What goes in the Spirituality and Philosophy Forum? Anything relating to the subjects like:

- Metaphysics
- Aesthetics
- Ethics
- Epistemology
- Religion
- God
- faith

Unwelcome and divisive threads meant to cause controversy or insult WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Please think before you post because GrassCity is a community, not a place to demean others.

Stay green.

i for one shall continue to post whatever i like in the spirituality and philosophy forum, as this other one is a sham.

this split into two categories is a bs division where no division exists.


its a predjudice of informations.


what if informations were little life forms.

do u think they'd like you splitting it up like that?


i bet the informations would much prefer to interbreed.


hurray to interbreeding information!


down with information segregation!




for all the BS proclamations of peace keeping, can we see here on this curve of the fractal the same story of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing and vice versa, and there's actually a force at work here to create division and conflict?

i love the open dialogue mash we have.


splitting up the accademic egg heads from the lala land mystics is not going to do the city any favours.

since supposedly our thoughts matter to yas....

as a S&P hardcore, i say the science and nature is not only WELCOME at the spirituality and philosophy section, but is a NECESSITY there.

so perhaps it could be called the Spirituality, Philosophy, Science & Nature section.

I like it.

SPSN


Espee-essen!





or perhaps if there was a child subsection of S&P devoted to ONLY threads SPECIFICALLY about the spiritual use of the herb... which after all, was what the S&P section's original remit was, was it not?

[Digit]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

Debate, religious or otherwise will always happen regardless, but what people need are options, avenues and alternatives throughout the dialogue, which is a lot bigger than the S&P. There will be overlap but not emphasis to the extent that there's a blur between the two. Why turn the S&N forum into the S&P, unless you're saying that they're one and the same which they aren't. Science should be looked as a separate discipline, not a response to a religious system of thought.

uh, yeah. try telling that to a vedic.

i dont agree. this should have been up for debate clearly.

a minority decision has been made, and clearly, its causing alot of unrest, and not going down well with the blades at all.

[Digit]

this talk of overlap....


can the forum actually support that....

some threads appearing in both?



cos thats the only way i can see i'll be swallowing this bitter pill.

[scoobydooby67]

^^ way to use expert linguistical skills as well as thoughtful tact to say the things i wanted to say.

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by Digit

i for one shall continue to post whatever i like in the spirituality and philosophy forum, as this other one is a sham.

this split into two categories is a bs division where no division exists.


its a predjudice of informations.


what if informations were little life forms.

do u think they'd like you splitting it up like that?


i bet the informations would much prefer to interbreed.


hurray to interbreeding information!


down with information segregation!




for all the BS proclamations of peace keeping, can we see here on this curve of the fractal the same story of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing and vice versa, and there's actually a force at work here to create division and conflict?

i love the open dialogue mash we have.


splitting up the accademic egg heads from the lala land mystics is not going to do the city any favours.

since supposedly our thoughts matter to yas....

as a S&P hardcore, i say the science and nature is not only WELCOME at the spirituality and philosophy section, but is a NECESSITY there.

so perhaps it could be called the Spirituality, Philosophy, Science & Nature section.

I like it.

SPSN


Espee-essen!





or perhaps if there was a child subsection of S&P devoted to ONLY threads SPECIFICALLY about the spiritual use of the herb... which after all, was what the S&P section's original remit was, was it not?

You're a member I have a lot of respect for, but I can honestly say your babbling rant is very disappointing because the pursuit of peace isn't BS. Try being part of the solution and not the problem, GC is trying to respond to all of it's members fairly, if what we're doing isn't good enough for you I'm sure there are a lot of other sites out there that will cater to all of your demands. Not everyone is going to be happy with what we do, but negativity isn't the way to move the dialogue forward mutual understanding and compassion is.

Originally Posted by Digit

uh, yeah. try telling that to a vedic.

i dont agree. this should have been up for debate clearly.

a minority decision has been made, and clearly, its causing alot of unrest, and not going down well with the blades at all.

Maybe you're uneasy, in which case that's a personal problem, but if we're to move forward give us suggestions on how improve the moves we're making bro. Because whether you believe it or not we're trying really hard to make this place better.

Peace.