MaryJane: about the pet thread ...

[rounder975]

Originally Posted by Reform MaryJane Laws

This thread was reported and the reporter made the comment that if you were talking about a child that this thread would be shut down. Well, pets are like children for most people and they have no way of saying "Hey, *******, I don't want to get high!" So, from now on, these pet threads will be closed. Every last one of them!!!!!

We'll add it to the rules soon.

I just wanted to say that, yeah, I understand what you are saying. Animals should be respected and treated as a child - and thus its not a good idea to make popular the idea of getting a pet high, as it is probably unhealthy for them & may lead to people abusing their pets in this way.

But still, I don't agree that pets have no way of saying "Hey, I dont want to get high". Most pets (and most animals) have great senses of smell, especially dogs as we all know. If they didn't like it, they could easily smell the smoke and back away, indicating they don't like it. Dogs and other animals have many ways of showing us this... most pet owners know the type of response from their pet that shows such distaste. I had a rabbit and he would back away from the smell of something he didn't like. One guy in that thread also said one of his hamsters would walk up to the smoke, while the other one would turn away; so he knows which one enjoys it and which one doesn't.

I'm a strong advocate of eliminating ignorance and I think that's what should be done here. Again I understand your angle and it makes sense; society as a whole can't be expected to not get out of hand with something like this and end up putting their animal through suffering. On the other hand though, 590 people viewed that thread and there are probably several thousand other people who have read threads about getting pets high (I know I have), and those people probably read all the funny comments/stories and want to try it out on their own pets. Many people in the thread below ("getting your PETS high") said they were going to try it out and even I said so too. If I had a pet I would definitely be careful about it and not do something dumb like hotbox him/her,,, but still there is a problem with this... I don't know if it would/could potentially harm my pet even on the first time.

My point is that shutting down the pet threads is alright and everything but maybe it would be BETTER if some people who knew information about animals & marijuana could step forward, make a thread about just that, and advise us on the actual negative effects. I know rabbits cannot eat chocolate, which sounds weird, so while marijuana is relatively harmless for humans may not apply to any/all animals. If you just shut down all the pet related threads, no one will ever get the information about the possible negative effects. Then, someone who wants to try it out on their pet (having read other people's stories) will go and blow the smoke into his/her ear or nose and then bam their pet is dead. I'm not saying marijuana could kill an animal, but we don't know, and thats the key.

Maybe there is already information about this subject even in this very forum - but I haven't read it, and there are probably a LOT of people that haven't either that JUST read the thread you recently closed.

So does anyone know anything about pets & marijuana that could intelligently advise all of us on the facts, so we can use discretion with our pets?

[-mu]

Many years ago, the first time I was gonna smoke some hash whilst owning a cat (a party was planned for the weekend, at my place, and a mate was bringing some sticky shit - at the time I was only an occasional smoker, and the cat was a new addition to the house)...

I phoned a vet, and asked if it would harm my cat. She said straight out, "No. In fact, some cats seem to like it, and will come over to have a puff". I thought that was kinda funny, but have since learned it to be true, and while I no longer have a cat, I have fond (yeah, rright!) memories of my moggy stripping my beloved indoor plants from the bottom up!

Of course, tobacco is harmful to everything, but that's another story.

-mu

[fluffykush]

I don't know how much do animals enjoy marijuana but here is some info I found on animals and psychodelics

http://www.forteantimes.com/review/animalpsych.shtml

[SuburbanKMK101]

Reform MaryJane just got pwnd.

Pets ftw.

[Bliz-NATI]

I really dont think that all this has to be made into a tizzzzzzzy. for real.

i have to say that in my experiance, cats dont seem to mind it much, they seem to mind the blowing of wind much... much more.

whatever the disicion be, it doesnt matter to me, or concern me in anyway... becouse though an animal cant say no...

he certainly cant ask me to hit that fat ass blunt.

On a side note, im wondering if there is any animal that would be somewhat smart... like above average... ive heard things about sugar gliders bieng very smart and having good communicational skills. but i dont know.

Peace out sorry for the long response.

[TheHempress]

Stuff like this really belongs in PMs.

[ReformMaryJaneLaws]

No, I'll reply. No need for PMs.

When I closed that thread it was due to the post that started the thread. It was the post that was reported and the one that I was PMd about. Here it is:

Originally Posted by fluffykush

When my cousin and I get faded, he will put his pomeranian dog under a box and hot box it. I was just wondering if anyone else gets their pets high.

crazy shit...thats the only time that lil "bitch" stops barking

That was how the thread started and that was why I stated what I did when I closed that thread. We have had complaints for months now about threads such as these. We try to do what's best for the City and we listen to what the members want...especially our long time members who have the best interest of our community at heart.

[2Joints&Tonys]

well, i dunno but i still get my cat high as often as i can. im currently kinda doing an experiment to see if he eventually waits for me to come home at the end of the day to get high. every time i get him mad munchies and he sits and munches on my food with me. one time we watched a entire movie withought gettin up once, we were so high. he does like it i know that, i set him on his back and hes all spread eagle and he loves that good ol' cheeba-smoke, its like hes hugging that shit. yea soon hes guna b a stoner-cat all chi-eyed n shit. i dont see much wronge with it. sall good.

[ReformMaryJaneLaws]

Ok, let me go into detail with this one...

Originally Posted by fluffykush

When my cousin and I get faded, he will put his pomeranian dog under a box and hot box it. I was just wondering if anyone else gets their pets high.

crazy shit...thats the only time that lil "bitch" stops barking

The animal in the above post was forced to get high. There is a difference between that and an animal wanting to chill with you while you get high. Surely, that can be seen. It was seen by the ones who took issue with it and reported the post. It was seen by me. It's not hard to see the difference at all.

[-mu]

Yup, you gotta respect an animal's right to want to get high, or not get high, just like you would with a human.

Pomeranian dog under a box, that's just sick.

-mu

[glass_girl420]

I'm sorry but the little doggie being hotboxed doesn't seem as cruel as the labs whom get away with cruelty everyday so we can use such things as mascara and shit that's suppose to make us look pretty. They test everything on poor little critters. BOYCOTT EVERYTHING.............AHHHHHH!

http://www.peta2.com/feat/testing123/

[-mu]

Which doesn't seem as the cruel as the way some parents treat their kids, which in turn isn't as cruel as the way some soldiers treat their captives, or war, or how we treat our planet, and so on, and so on. That's a whole different subject.

Don't be sorry; just keep on doing your bit! There's a sea-change in progress, and if we all did our bit; live organic, those who can boycott, boycot; those who can write letters, write letters, and the rest; like you obviously do; greedy, destructive corporations would catch-on a lot sooner!

But no one on this forum is transporting truckfuls of live dogs across the continent (with their legs broken, so they can be tied behind their back - from a recent news story), or doing animal-testing, vivisection, shit! we're tokers! We respect the herb! Mother Nature!

But tokers do sometimes get funny ideas about the boundaries between what they enjoy as humans, and what their pets might also find enjoyably, i.e. weed. Some animals do want to get high, and that's their right, and also their right to decide how high. We all have limits, and I'm sure that if an animal wants to experiment with theirs, they'll move closer, whatever. A white-out isn't pleasant. How much is too much for a medium-sized dog? Here's where the grey area is, for me. Here's where I'm looking...

If a cat jumps on to the arm of my chair, and I accidentaly blow smoke in his face. When I spark up again, he sits erect and sticks his nose to the joint, waiting, do I blow it in his face again on purpose?

That's between a human and their animal companion someplace off these boards. And that's the only descision that really needs to be made. Any more human involvement is barbarism, cruelty. But; is it right to deny them? We just don't know that, and I want to know that.

It's good that the management draws the line right there, and it's healthy to look at this subject honestly, but if it all gets blown out of the water, mixed up with way bigger topics, I'm thinking it makes it harder to walk away from the discussion with an objective perspective, and so make an uncluttered decision when the time comes to make it. I'm pondering the term Animals Rights...

I think rounder975 started this thread to try and move the argument beyond cruelty, to openly discuss the challenging problem that while some animals want to get high, and will show that to their humans; their humans don't have the facts regarding the impact to their animal's health, and so can't make informed decisions.

With good information, and an uncluttered understanding of the the real issues, we can do the right thing, whatever it is, for our animal companions.

-mu

[AK Infinity]

Every time I read threads like this it simply reaffirms my stance on the recreational use of marijuana and how such use should be scaled back drastically from large segments of society, because they aren’t being enlightened about themselves, instead they’ve been made dumber. Anyone that thinks that it’s good idea to get their pet high, and more importantly, diligently defend such behavior as acceptable, IMHO aren’t in touch with their humanity. I've read over some of those threads and all I could come away with was a deep sense of shame. There’s so much waste here. This site has the potential to frame a positive argument about a miraculous plant that can help so many but instead we lose sight of the goal and become mired in nonsense.

This is what people come to the City for, sharing moronic tales of getting their pets high? How many issues face our community on a daily basis from law enforcement, to The Federal Government, and this is the sum total of their contributions? I feel very sad to write these words but I can't express them in any other way that will strike home with more truth, some people are of no earthly use. They could be, but they take whatever talents or skills they possess and take a big wet shit all over them, regardless of how such cavalier attitudes affects others.

I may sound crazy for saying this but Cats and dogs don’t have opposable thumbs, so if they didn’t have an owner that thought they should get high, more than likely they wouldn’t do it themselves. To have a respect for all life doesn’t mean you have to share your experiences with them, but I do think it means you should have some deference for theirs. The thing that scares me the most is that people need to have it explained to them instead of intuiting it naturally on their own.

I'm glad all those threads were closed and I hope this one is too.

Stay green.

[cocoa]

man i alwayse give my chocolate lover the essentials. nugs, chillin, and grindage.
my lab will not leave me the fuck alone when im smokin, she licks it out of the air. my boston doesnt like it so i dont make him.

[ZerO Stay Tokin]

Originally Posted by SuburbanKMK101

Reform MaryJane just got pwnd.

Pets ftw.

your an idiot.