The Scrog Method

[xshadowshooter]

Too true. I was just describing the basic idea of it

[icefox0724]

how bout this for all the SCROGer's out there... what's your favorite kind of screen that you've seen the biggest yield off of? chicken wire? dowel rod? just a metal rack? i've seen all sorts of pics of different kinds of screens just wanna know the opinion of the experts!

[xshadowshooter]

In my opinion (which is far from expert as I've only done this once), at least an inch and a half is necessary for the holes. The reason is, although you want the branches packed tight, they will have big fan leaves coming off of them.. keeping a little bit of space between the branches will keep you from having to trim as many leaves and allow some light to get to the lower branches a bit.

I found some fencing that was perfect while I was driving around and snagged it that night..

[GrowBot]

imo, the perfect screen is kennel fencing. it has 2"x2" squares.

[Crazygopher33]

Very specific and informative. Thanks! I'm using bagseed, so I don't know the characteristics of my (soon to be) plants, but it sounds like it should work well either way!

[dboyfresh]

So scrogging just basicly supports the plant? What about the people that move from veg to flowering? Can they scrog?

[S.F. Sage]

Originally Posted by dboyfresh

So scrogging just basicly supports the plant? What about the people that move from veg to flowering? Can they scrog?

I did but its a bitch to weave it through just start off from the bat with a screen I agree 2" x 2" is the best

[StonedImaculate]

I was trying to make sense out of the 50 watts per square foot chart, but your example didnt match, or maybe Im just crazy. So could someone just please tell me how many watts of HPS I would need for a 2 plant ScrOG?

[ledman]

Vegging: Here is where alot of people make mistakes. They get in a fired up hurry and get confused somehow. Flip their shit over to 12/12 way to soon and wonder why their screen never filled up. At that point the screen is nothing more than a support system for the plant. Normally one would veg a plant till the screen is 70-80 percent full before switching over to the flowering cycle. Having knowlege of how much your strain stretches is helpful when determining when to switch to flowering. For example: If one had a very stretchy sativa. You would want to start flowering her with much less of the screen filled. Just the opposite for a nice stunted indica. Timing has alot to do with scrog. We go over that soon.

Pulling It Back Through: Okay, so you've got some growth through the screen. Should have about 3-4 inches aye? Don't be a pussy here. lol....... If it breaks. I'll explain what to do later. Reach under the screen and pull that branch back under the screen and place it where you want it to be. Even if it takes tying it in place with the plastic twisty ties. Now I could really get technical and shit and start with the be sure there is an internode in each hole of the screen but it really doesnt matter man. Just get the growth under the screen first. In the next few weeks. You will see were to guide the new growth to best suit your needs.

Training: This can seem brutal to some. lol........ Scrog is not natural growth for the cannabis plant. I am sure of that. It must stress the shit out of them the whole cycle of life. Imagine taking a plant that usually grows anywhere from 3-12 feet and making it grow in a space no larger than 2 foot. Training begings in the pulling it back through section. Try to situate your main branches towards the barest parts of your screen. They will branch out the most and usually be the largest bud in the bunch. Use some kind of uniformity to your laying out of the branches. Crisscross/ zigzag whatever you use. Remember theres are going to be alot more branching when flowering kicks in high gear. So allow some room for that as well. Lesser buds that are now exposed to more light are then encouraged to grow upwards toward the screen through some leaf triming. An often debated subject but one I feel that is usefull in the scrog method.


Hi Guys, i put some pics about my work and my "research" into ScrOg. Is not too much and i wrote in italian in the pics, but i think everyone can understand.Not bad pics, expecially my ScrOg box lamp ( extreme ScrOg!!) and some concerning how to develop under the net.

Anyway,if anybody wants some explanation about pics and my different tecnhiques, i'll be glad to answer if i'll be able .. hope it will be helpfull..cheers!

[davidppeters]

I did a type of bassackwards scrog method.. I decided when my plants were half way through veg that i would scrog so i put a screen up and then bent the plants in a sort of way as they grew, the problem was the middle plant... where can i bend it if the other four are bend around the outside of the square so i just let it grow.. not its been two weeks into flower and they've stretched through the net BUT i've got a lot of flowers into the light so it worked pretty well.. Now the big center plant grew all the way to the light so i moved the light up and this happened twice so.. i dont know it doesnt care if its 87 degrees touching the bottom screen on my reflector.. whats the deal? The pistols are still growing fine so close to the light.. Should i just move the light continuesly until i cant anymore? It wants to like touch the light!!

400w hps
i do have air coming via fan, and air going out via duct connected to the light with an inline fan at the other end

[ledman]

Originally Posted by davidppeters

I did a type of bassackwards scrog method.. I decided when my plants were half way through veg that i would scrog so i put a screen up and then bent the plants in a sort of way as they grew, the problem was the middle plant... where can i bend it if the other four are bend around the outside of the square so i just let it grow.. not its been two weeks into flower and they've stretched through the net BUT i've got a lot of flowers into the light so it worked pretty well.. Now the big center plant grew all the way to the light so i moved the light up and this happened twice so.. i dont know it doesnt care if its 87 degrees touching the bottom screen on my reflector.. whats the deal? The pistols are still growing fine so close to the light.. Should i just move the light continuesly until i cant anymore? It wants to like touch the light!!

400w hps
i do have air coming via fan, and air going out via duct connected to the light with an inline fan at the other end

Hi man!
Great job, nothing to say..u'll surely have nice resined buds..

Should u explain, may be with some attachment, a little better about ur method to bent branches on the screen pls?

About the 400w lamp..i think is surely better if u'll move it 30/40 cm far from ur plants top..even if they like to stay very close to light...stretch 'em out a bit..

This is for optimezed the job of ur lamp, achieving the best work spectrum..in the actual way,as u can see from pics u posted, the spectrum of the light is very focused and in a too small "circle" of light, concentrate in a few leaves..not the best way sure.

Add a ventilator fan for the air circulation/movement inside ur closet..ur babies will apreciate for sure guarnanteed Expecially if u'll leave it open 24/24, even where the lamp is turned off..believe me!

My opinion, cheers man very nice job!
Good growing!

[davidppeters]

Originally Posted by ledman

Hi man!
Great job, nothing to say..u'll surely have nice resined buds..

Should u explain, may be with some attachment, a little better about ur method to bent branches on the screen pls?

About the 400w lamp..i think is surely better if u'll move it 30/40 cm far from ur plants top..even if they like to stay very close to light...stretch 'em out a bit..

This is for optimezed the job of ur lamp, achieving the best work spectrum..in the actual way,as u can see from pics u posted, the spectrum of the light is very focused and in a too small "circle" of light, concentrate in a few leaves..not the best way sure.

Add a ventilator fan for the air circulation/movement inside ur closet..ur babies will apreciate for sure guarnanteed Expecially if u'll leave it open 24/24, even where the lamp is turned off..believe me!

My opinion, cheers man very nice job!
Good growing!

Yeah man thanks.. i do have a fan but its on the floor level bringing in the fresh cool air from outside and it goes up through the plants to the light with is where its exhausts out of the closet.. So i mean the temp in there stays right at about 70 when the lamp is on.. but ofcourse right up under the lamp is like 85 so thats not good.. i did move the lamp up last night and we'll see if it stretches... the middle plant is 5'1 ft off of the ground.... and the container is on the floor so its pretty tall man.. yeah how i did the late scrog method is this.. as the plant grew up and into one of the squares of the neet, i just pulled the head to a square to the left and once it grew up towards the light a little i moved it one more square over and so fourth and so fourth until the all the flowers reached the top and then i started to bud.. they still are stretching up too so now u cant even see the net..

[ledman]

Originally Posted by davidppeters

Yeah man thanks.. i do have a fan but its on the floor level bringing in the fresh cool air from outside and it goes up through the plants to the light with is where its exhausts out of the closet.. So i mean the temp in there stays right at about 70 when the lamp is on.. but ofcourse right up under the lamp is like 85 so thats not good.. i did move the lamp up last night and we'll see if it stretches... the middle plant is 5'1 ft off of the ground.... and the container is on the floor so its pretty tall man.. yeah how i did the late scrog method is this.. as the plant grew up and into one of the squares of the neet, i just pulled the head to a square to the left and once it grew up towards the light a little i moved it one more square over and so fourth and so fourth until the all the flowers reached the top and then i started to bud.. they still are stretching up too so now u cant even see the net..

Hey David,
good if u moved the lamp alrady..u'll see, it surely works

About the fan, i didn't only mean regarding temperature, that it's fundamental obviously...i would like if u focus ur attention concerning how it's very important,for me, to try reply the wind in nature..

It gently strech plants, is good for the leaves transpiration..and last but not least, the plants,with this soft/continuos effort, upgrade their own power and health.

An easy and good solution for u ( i did in mine GR,everytime ), should be a wall/fan like used in toilette for areating from in to out ( sorry but my english vocabulary is not so big!); u only fix it to the roof with small wires, like for tha lamp..and much important,completly remove the casebox and all the parts u don't need..naked fan
And put it near the middle off ur GR, above ur plants top..is not expensive, even a small one should be better than nothing,trust me!

Cheers

[oscar1984]

It was noticed that the SCROG method produces a large amount of "popcorn buds". While still using the SCROG method, what are some tried and proven steps that result in larger individual buds?

Thank You

[jln213]

I have some Early Girl crossed with Purple Power. It is a very low plant with huge fan leaves. I started one of them using LST and the other one with some fimming. My question is with a plant like this with huge fan leaves and short, how do you recommend I go about this. i.e. screen size, height, trimming leaves. Or do I carefully shove the fan leaves through?

thanks