The Scrog Method

[Satyva]

LBH, your grow looks fantastic! I am holding on to your post specifically - thanks much!

[munki69]

Originally Posted by That G

I've been scroging for many years. I recently got my medical prescription and fell into a crowd ofrude people. well the rude people gave me the use of some nice equipment, but they tried to make me grow the way they wanted. I tried telling them that the scrog was the way to go. but they did not want to listen. So after a few crops of doing in the way they wanted and began to scroging, with out a screen. which can be done. Finaly (with thier displeasure.) I threw a screen over one plant. and Bam. I gained more then they could ever dream of. with one scrog (Which I had to grow four different ways due to meddeling bastards. I croped more medicine then they could with two rooms.! by the time I put the one plant to 12/12 it was the size of a large car hood. So any rude bastards out there that wont listen to the words of the wise... just get out of the way.

That Guy.

PS Now that things went south with the "Rude bastards" I steped down from two rooms with a combined wattaged of 8000 toa space that is 2' by 2' with a combined wattage of 400 and a 54, and I'm still blowing the bastards out the water

Really sounds like you are using a similar setup light wise to mine. Is the 54 you mention just 2 27 watt CFL's? That is all I'm presently using to bring up 4 clones. Well, lately, they get good ol' sunshine during the day and the 54 watts of 5500K CFL at night. I'll try to get a new pic of my ScrOG up tomorrow here. The main journal for it is in another forum so out fo respect to grasscity, I can't directly link it here.

Google "munki ebb" if interested.

[nirakar]

my scrog grow outdoors. it turned out good n strong...

[canuck420]

that outdoor scrogg is beauty

[cateros]

Originally Posted by Riddius

Hey , Good idea there but it could be made simpler dont you think? I would get really frustrated with the chicken wire everywhere. Isnt it a pain to cut it all down when you harvest? How about this... Trellising has been a method of orchard farmers for decades. Why not just simply run a thin dowl rod across your row of plants then as they get to tall tie them side ways to the dowl rod. One could even pre-manicure the plant so the top has two seperate shoots. then as they grow out tie them down side ways across from each other. This too will increase your yield without all that metal chicken wire everywhere. That wire does rust, so be sure you have a tetnis shot before attempting the scrog method. You cant get cut with a dowl rod. And it will produce the same outcome. - Lets even say your grow room was like 12' x 8' - I would pull out all my hair trying to stretch chicken wire across that. - I've always thought that the simpliest methods are most always the best. - Big Up's and keep on thinkin !

Uhmm most Scrog screen i have seen used are those all plastic saftey fence you see put up around construction sites its basically just woven vinyl.

[bogie420]

GM you are the man my friend. This thread has changed everything in my growing experience. Since reading this, and a few of Rumples threads, i have went from aero to bubbles, and from sog to scrog.
I am currently flowering my first scrog, and the pleasure I have gotten from the whole process has been nothing short of awesome. I have always heard that growing is therapeutic, using this method, I now understand why.
If you don't mind, take a look at my current grow, and offer any advice you see i may need.
Thanks for everything bro

[BayAreaBomber]

Would anyone reccommend ScrOG for a large scale grow? Me and my brother are going to be running 99 plants, and I was thinking we could get a HEAVY yield running the scrog method.

Any opinions?

Also...if we do decide to go with ScrOG, what would be the best hydro set up on that scale? Ebb and Flow? DWC? Bubble buckets?

Thanks in advance.

[-mu]

Outdoor scrog! LoL! Very funny!

-mu

[munki69]

Originally Posted by BayAreaBomber

Would anyone reccommend ScrOG for a large scale grow? Me and my brother are going to be running 99 plants, and I was thinking we could get a HEAVY yield running the scrog method.

Any opinions?

Also...if we do decide to go with ScrOG, what would be the best hydro set up on that scale? Ebb and Flow? DWC? Bubble buckets?

Thanks in advance.

Training 99 plants into a screen would be quite the chore but could be done. Most larger grows that use a screen seem to use it more to spread out the major stems so more light gets to the lower part of the plant.

When using ScrOG, make sure you can reach underneath all areas as you will need to do so during the training process. General rule is 2 feet per side of access. So, if you can reach both sides, you can make it 4 feet wide. If it is against a wall or something, then make it 2 feet wide. It can be as long as your room will allow. Lamps can be put on movers so the whole screen gets even light.

I recently harvested my grow. It had two plants in one 2 gallon bucket under a 400 watt lamp. I used around 5 square feet of canopy space and pulled 8 ounces dried. It also got me a "Plant of the Month" where I chronicled the grow.

[LBH]

scrogging 99 plants, FUK ME! Hire help dude. (and you're going to need like a ton of room)

[cateros]

I have to agree SCroG is more for getting max yield out of low number plants in limited space its will be 12 hour a day work after the plants hit 12" or so as SCrog is meant for growing a few plants for fairl long veg to get the most out of the lower internodes but you will be spending so much time training plants to that you would be better off with Sea of green and run 106 plants on a 4X4 ebb and flow just put the clones on once they have had about 10 days or so to get there roots a fair size veg another week and flower in the time it takes to do a full Scrog grow you could run off 2 grows of 106 plants on a 4 x4 and if you have bigger tables just go nuts with smaller plants. When you see a well done Scrog it looks like a Sea of green but using only a few plants instead of lots. But if you have the time to spend and the space you could go for it but I know you can probably fill a a 4 x 4 with 6 plants and have it fill the entire table with with a 16 square foot canopy where if you go Sea of green you would need closer to 60 or so to get the same yield but the difference is one takes 4 months or so and the other takes 8-10 weeks so up to you.

[cateros]

Originally Posted by BayAreaBomber

Would anyone reccommend ScrOG for a large scale grow? Me and my brother are going to be running 99 plants, and I was thinking we could get a HEAVY yield running the scrog method.

Any opinions?

Also...if we do decide to go with ScrOG, what would be the best hydro set up on that scale? Ebb and Flow? DWC? Bubble buckets?

Thanks in advance.

Personally i would go with either Ebb and flow or NTF once my MMAR is in I plan on growing 10 -15 plants in a 20 square foot area under a screen all depends on which table i decide to buy the 4 x 4 or the 4 x 6 dont plan to train them to the very max allowed but enough to get my Dosage of 6 grams/day you should check out the site Yield o rama it has an excellent yield calculator for figuring out how much you can get based on lumens per/square foot and so on and exact space you will need for your canopy then you just have to balance the light with a meter to get the max penetration of the sub canopy and you will have a nice grow in a 20 square foot space you can yield around 9.00 grams with 2 weeks veg 8 -9 weeks flower depending on your strain. I suggest you send away to Barneys farm in amsterdam for L.S.D its a plant that can get upwards of 24% thc and are around 15$ per seed feminized.

[-mu]

Scrog is great, but I found it to be way too much hassle. Unless I was forced to grow in a shelf, I wouldn't go back to it.

These days I run a perpetual system, 400W lamp, 6 rows of 6 plants on stepped shelves, 3-4 plants go in every week, 3-4 come out, 36 in total, 8-12-week strains, mainly. The plants are small, but easily yield 15-20g each, dry; sometimes twice that. Do the math.

I've also ScroGGed 3 plants, 6 plants, and one (BIIIG MOFO) plant in the exact same space, under the exact same light. All yield about the same, which is, less than I get now. The most I ever hit with ScroG was 0.5g/W/Month. I guess I'm doing a sort of Semi-SOG now, but really, these are all just words. I know my flowering room is ALWAYS flowering, no down time filling screens.

I could list dozens of reasons why this is a superior system to ScroG. And not just the way more nugz at the end, either.

-mu

[LBH]

Originally Posted by -mu

Scrog is great, but I found it to be way too much hassle. Unless I was forced to grow in a shelf, I wouldn't go back to it.

These days I run a perpetual system, 400W lamp, 6 rows of 6 plants on stepped shelves, 3-4 plants go in every week, 3-4 come out, 36 in total, 8-12-week strains, mainly. The plants are small, but easily yield 15-20g each, dry; sometimes twice that. Do the math.

I've also ScroGGed 3 plants, 6 plants, and one (BIIIG MOFO) plant in the exact same space, under the exact same light. All yield about the same, which is, less than I get now. The most I ever hit with ScroG was 0.5g/W/Month. I guess I'm doing a sort of Semi-SOG now, but really, these are all just words. I know my flowering room is ALWAYS flowering, no down time filling screens.

I could list dozens of reasons why this is a superior system to ScroG. And not just the way more nugz at the end, either.

-mu

I run screens and downtime is not an issue. I'm also perpetual but monthly (6 plants) not weekly (3) Same thing though. I have 2 screens and a separate veg room. Every 4 weeks, I move 6 out and plant a new 6. Next month, it's the other screen and 6 more in the veg room. Same results basically but I get much more than 20g/plant as they all see a full 8 week veg and 8 week flower.

So in short, scrogging will yield more but takes up more room. I probably use 3x the area -mu uses so the argument is moot. If he filled the area I use with his method, he'd harvest more than me.

Different strokes for different folks.

[LBH]

Originally Posted by -mu

Scrog is great, but I found it to be way too much hassle. Unless I was forced to grow in a shelf, I wouldn't go back to it.

These days I run a perpetual system, 400W lamp, 6 rows of 6 plants on stepped shelves, 3-4 plants go in every week, 3-4 come out, 36 in total, 8-12-week strains, mainly. The plants are small, but easily yield 15-20g each, dry; sometimes twice that. Do the math.

I've also ScroGGed 3 plants, 6 plants, and one (BIIIG MOFO) plant in the exact same space, under the exact same light. All yield about the same, which is, less than I get now. The most I ever hit with ScroG was 0.5g/W/Month. I guess I'm doing a sort of Semi-SOG now, but really, these are all just words. I know my flowering room is ALWAYS flowering, no down time filling screens.

I could list dozens of reasons why this is a superior system to ScroG. And not just the way more nugz at the end, either.

-mu

I run screens and downtime is not an issue. I'm also perpetual but monthly (6 plants) not weekly (3) Same thing though. I have 2 screens and a separate veg room. Every 4 weeks, I move 6 out and plant a new 6. Next month, it's the other screen and 6 more in the veg room. Same results basically but I get much more than 20g/plant as they all see a full 8 week veg and 8 week flower.

So in short, scrogging will yield more but takes up more room. I probably use 3x the area -mu uses so the argument is moot. If he filled the same area I use with his method, he'd harvest more than me.

Different strokes for different folks, you just need to experiment and see what fits your taste, budget, time/space restrictions and grow style