Germinating with Sure to Grow 1.5” inserts

[77401]

Originally Posted by opinionation

Thanks for sharing, I just ordered some of these.

Good Luck Opy,
Feel free to post your pics or experiences on here for others to see
+rep'd ya

[opinionation]

Originally Posted by 77401

Good Luck Opy,
Feel free to post your pics or experiences on here for others to see
+rep'd ya

Will do, and thanks!

[forgot2wipe]

Thnx for pointing in this direction.

THIS is EXACTLY what I wanted to know and SEE. The info I've read on these 21-day flowering-clones claims that once it takes root and re-veg's, you'll get a plant huge enough to yield that of 4 normal-sized plants... thus the name Super-Cropping. It was supposedly discovered by an experiment similar to what you've done here. Evidently the info about low success rates wasn't exactly true though. Bogie claims all 9 of his made it with no probs and now I see YOURS survived, even in less than ideal conditions (no offense, but that STG appeared to be packed TIGHT!).
Keep that lil freak alive and show us her progress, plz. I'm around the corner from Day 21 and highly anxious to try this.

Did you see Bogie's in veg? Doesn't even look like MJ! Looks more like lettuce... lol.

Thnx again for leading me here and please direct me to the new journal IF you keep her (saw you claiming to kill the Bride of Frankenstein after the experiment... lol).

[77401]

Originally Posted by forgot2wipe

Thnx for pointing in this direction.

THIS is EXACTLY what I wanted to know and SEE. The info I've read on these 21-day flowering-clones claims that once it takes root and re-veg's, you'll get a plant huge enough to yield that of 4 normal-sized plants... thus the name Super-Cropping. It was supposedly discovered by an experiment similar to what you've done here. Evidently the info about low success rates wasn't exactly true though. Bogie claims all 9 of his made it with no probs and now I see YOURS survived, even in less than ideal conditions (no offense, but that STG appeared to be packed TIGHT!).
Keep that lil freak alive and show us her progress, plz. I'm around the corner from Day 21 and highly anxious to try this.

Did you see Bogie's in veg? Doesn't even look like MJ! Looks more like lettuce... lol.

Thnx again for leading me here and please direct me to the new journal IF you keep her (saw you claiming to kill the Bride of Frankenstein after the experiment... lol).

She was euthanized, killed her, buried her out back with the Ex Girlfriends. I tried to do everything I could to let her die, but she was a survivor till I pulled her from the water....LOL
I don't see how she can ever get 4 times as large as a normal plant, that just don't make sense or we'd all be doing it.
The only reason to take a bud to clone is a last ditch effort to keep genetics alive.

[forgot2wipe]

MURDERER!!!

OK... I was wrong about 2 things. The name is actually Monster Cropping, not Super Cropping. Also, the "4X the yield" statement was an exagerration, but I found the thread I was reading from that day (thankfully saved it to favs) and I'll share with you here. I'm not saying I agree withg it, but I DO find it interesting and willing to experiment with in a few more days...

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Monster Cropping

Monster Cropping or Flowering Clones is another method of growing that was brought to my attention by one of our members; JWP, who also was kind enough to provide the pictures for this part of the guide. This method involves taking clones of flowering plants and then forcing them to root and re-veg, which eventually leads to very bushy plants with a great number of branches and nodes. I named this technique Monster Cropping because that is what you will get, real monster plants, but also because this method was introduced to the scene by a grower named greenmonster714. He in turn credits a grower named Feral for discovering this technique.

Taking clones from flowering plants goes against all that has been said about cloning cannabis and might therefore seem a bit confusing at first but the science behind the technique is sound and the results speak for themselves.

You start by taking clones of a plant that is about 21 days into flowering. This seems to be the best time to do it but you can also takes clones at a later stage with the same results. The lower branches make better clones as they have not yet become rigid and will also root faster and more easily than say the top cola. Move the new cutting into a glass of water and let it sit for a while in order to make sure that no air gets into the vascular system during handling, as this can be fatal to your new plant. You should make the cut so that it runs along the stem as this will increase the surface area for water and possibly nutrient uptake, depending on what method of cloning you use. Personally, I have found that using a small hydroponic setup or a propagation bubbler is by far the best way to clone cannabis plants. I will not expand on the subject of cloning here, if you need more information on how to clone your plants, have a look at the official cloning thread by JJScorpio

In the picture below, you can see how the clone from a flowering plant been has placed in a propagation bubbler for rooting and re-vegging. This also means that you will have to put the clone back under a veg light schedule of 18/6, 20/4 or even 24/0. Clones do not need strong light so a small CFL will do. You can remove some of the buds at this stage in order to encourage the plant to revert back into its vegetative cycle but leave the topmost flower alone.

It will take several weeks for the clone to root, some never do, so it is best that you take a great number of clones at the same time in order to ensure that at least one makes it on to the next stage. It might be a good idea to place the clones inside a humidity dome, which can be bought at gardening stores or custom built for your specific needs. The high humidity inside the dome will make sure that the plants do not dry out and die. Ventilate the dome every day just to make sure that the plants don't get attacked by mold.

Keep in mind however that the most important thing when it comes to cloning is to provide the fresh cuttings with plenty of oxygen and that is why the propagation bubbler is so effective compared to other methods.




The clones might be a sorry sight at first but as soon as they root, they will also revert back into the vegetative stage and start growing again. Once the clones have rooted properly and started growing again, they will put out single unserrated leaves at first but the normal leafs are soon to follow. It might be a good idea to apply some training at this stage, tying down some of the tops will encourage even more branching. You can also provide some heat underneath the clones as this will speed up the rooting process considerably.



When the plant starts growing again, the incredible branching power of the flowering clone becomes apparent.

As you can see, this plant has grown into a real monster, and all this without ever topping the plant. That's the beauty of this technique; you can forget all about topping and FIM'ing since the flowering clone will sprout all these new branches all by itself.

This plant is now perfectly suited for a SCROG or perhaps even a SOG grow. This one plant can easily fill up an entire Scrog net in no time. Several of these plants grown in SOG will definitely give you a grand harvest.

There are other benefits from using this technique; it also removes the need for keeping mother plants. When the newly re-vegged plant is flowered, it can also provide more clones for a perpetual harvest. Recycling at its best. This might be of interest to those who need to keep down their number of plants.

Needless to say, this method is highly effective thanks to the heavy branching that occurs after a flowering clone is re-vegged. With further training and some patience, you will get some real monster plants and thereby also a monster harvest.

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Came from A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

Sorry to jack your thread with this. If this is inappropriate, I apologize and have no problem removing. It's a CRAZY concept, but the tutorial has sources and pix. Whatcha think?

[halitzor]

I'm using sure to grow plugs to germ some fruity chronic juice right now. They both have tap roots and have dug into the side.

My buddy at the hydro store is giving me a 6 pack of 6" x 4" cylinders to use in my net pots, I'll let ya know how they do.

[77401]

Originally Posted by forgot2wipe

MURDERER!!!

OK... I was wrong about 2 things. The name is actually Monster Cropping, not Super Cropping. Also, the "4X the yield" statement was an exagerration, but I found the thread I was reading from that day (thankfully saved it to favs) and I'll share with you here. I'm not saying I agree withg it, but I DO find it interesting and willing to experiment with in a few more days...
Sorry to jack your thread with this. If this is inappropriate, I apologize and have no problem removing. It's a CRAZY concept, but the tutorial has sources and pix. Whatcha think?

Very interesting read plus photos make everything more believable.
Monster Cropping, best done under a full moon...LOL

I'm a sceptic so I still think there has to be some other significant differences that are not mentioned. Either way thats a crazy plant, but real proof would have been pics of the harvest and a yield report. It could be possible that the plant wasn't a producer.

Which brings me to a question.

Would it be better to not top or alter a plants grow and let it bud out normally or top, LST, fimm or whatever to get multiple tops, and at what point would the returns be diminished for having too many tops?

Originally Posted by halitzor

I'm using sure to grow plugs to germ some fruity chronic juice right now. They both have tap roots and have dug into the side.

My buddy at the hydro store is giving me a 6 pack of 6" x 4" cylinders to use in my net pots, I'll let ya know how they do.

Sounds Tasty! Chronic Fruit Juice.
It was so easy to germinate in these. Did you do it the same way I did?
Feel free to post your own attempts or results on here. I don't mind at all and others will enjoy hearing about it too.