Feminized seeds.

[john]

I see quite a few members post comments saying that feminized seeds are so easy to make. And why not make your own feminized seeds, by pollenating a flowering female plant with pollen from a female which has turned hermaphrodite (hermie). Well, the chances are that if you do do that, quite a few of the offspring seeds/plants will turn hermie themselves through little or no stress and will also be unstabilized (a strain which will be all shapes, sizes and different height).

I've been using feminized seed for a couple of years now, and have done quite a bit of reading into feminized seeds, and what breeders have to go through to get proper stabilized feminized seeds.

As most of us know, female sex chromosomes are XX, and the male sex chromosomes are XY. The pollen sacks that are produced from a female hermie plant are XX sex chromosomes. So if you pollinate a female plant with female hermie pollen, the plants that grows from those seeds will be female or female/hermie.
Not all strains can be feminized. A breeder has to come up with a strain that is less prone to turn hermie than other strains, especially under certain types of high stress ie. light, ph, heat, pruning, fertilizer stress, ect. That is why you see some strains that aren't feminized.

A breeder then has to stabilize that strain, by vegging and flowering a large quantity of males and females. Picking the best males and females from that batch. The breeder then pollinates the best females with the best males pollen, to get seeds that are good quality. Those seeds are germinated and grown. Clones are taken (and tagged) from those plants while in veg. The clones stay in veg while the other plants flower. The breeder finds the best few males, and collects the pollen and stores it. The breeder flowers the clones from the best few females, and pollenates them with the stored male pollen. Depending on the breeder, they may go through this proccess quite a number of times to satbilized the strain (especially a reputable breeder who thinks alot of his name or company), it's known as F1 breeding (you can keep going F2,F3,F4,F5,F6 and so on).

The breeder should now have a batch of stabilized seeds. The breeder then germinates half of those seeds (the other half will be germinated later). He'd germinate, veg and flower the seeds. The breeder disregards the males (or uses the best males for breeding regular seeds) and only leaves the females to flower. The breeder then puts the females through high stress to turn them hermie (not forgetting that this strain should have a high resistance at turning hermie). The breeder disregards the plants that have turned hermie, and picks the best females from the batch that didn't turned hermie. Now, this is where the breeder would regulary introduce Colloidal Silver or gibberellic acid to those healthy females to make them produce pollen sacks (or turn hermie). When the pollen sacks are ripe, the breeder then collects the pollen and stores it.

Now, the other half of the stabilized seeds would get germinated, vegged and flowered. The males are disregarded (or the best are used for regular seeds). The females are kept and put under high stress, to make them hermie. The females that dont turn hermie will be kept. The females are then left flowering until the breeder can tell which are the best females. The females are then pollenated with the female pollen, which was stored from the other females/hermies. The seeds that those females produce should be proper stabilized feminized seeds.

The females plants that are grown from those feminized seeds should have a good tolerance to stress, but they have also inherited the hermaphrodite gene from their mother, which means they are more likely to turn hermie through high stress than a regular seed/plant.

If i have left anything out or anyone has anything to add, feel free to post your comments.

[AllIDoIsSmoke]

Great info! Stabalization finnaly makes some sense to me now lol

+rep

[stickynugs]

very good read.
its true. and weird.
you wouldnt wanna cross your children with a street hooker hermie? lol
so why do a plant. theres more to it.
i just plant any seeds i get from my bud.
i find seeds from time to time in high grade medical from cali here.
i had like 30 seeds saved from last year. i planted 15 of them just to see this year how they would do. and saved the other half for next year.

so far i got 4 giants. 5 medium sized plants. and some midgets.
and half of them sexed so far and are female.

every single plant that showed sex so far is a female and doesnt have hermie signs.
we gotta do it like nature intended.
science only fucks shit up.

fuck science. fuck abortions. plastic surgery/steroids/stemcell research/ and all the other fake shit science has done experimenting with human life.
let mother nature work its finest and you will have top notch bud . just takes a little
love,care,time and patience

dont rush it. dont try to fast dry it. and you will be ok.

[Wharfrat74]

sticky plz

[Go-Rizla]

Stick this on the wall! +Rep John my man. Your always at top game.

[tbirdgreen]

is white widdow one of those plants that's easy to turn hermie?

thats the strain i have

[Wharfrat74]

Originally Posted by tbirdgreen

is white widdow one of those plants that's easy to turn hermie?

thats the strain i have

Only if the leaves are green.

[john]

Less, i did a search and cant find your post. You wouldn't happen to have it bookmarked? If you do, would you mind copying and pasteing it up on this thread? I wouldn't mind having a read at it, the more info about different processes the better.

[john]

Originally Posted by lessismore

Take the very best female out of the batch of clones and allow her to go a few weeks, usually 2-3 weeks will do. Harvest the top areas of the plant, but allow a section of her to go far beyond being mature. She will pop male sacks, usually at the very tip top of the buds most exposed to the light. You have to watch her everyday for it can happen quickly. Collect this pollen and pollinate the clones which you took from her. Your ending results are about a 90% ratio of female to male seeds. They are not only more stable, they also do not carry the hermie trait which the chemical treatrment induces into their genes.

How do you end up with male seeds?
How is it your hermie mothers dont carry on the hermie trait to it's off spring?
The chemicals are to induce a (hard to hermie) plant into producing female pollen sacks. I dont understand how the chemicals will effect the plants DNA genes any more than making a female turn hermie through high stress. The idea is to find a female plant that will put up with alot of stress, add chemicals to induce female pollen, the off spring will still have the hermie strait, but will also carry-on the mothers (hard to hermie) gene, is that not right or am i missing something?

EDIT: Just by letting a female hermie pollinate herself for seeds, is no different than the way you get your feminized seeds, am i right?

[john]

Originally Posted by lessismore

Just from that comment right there says you do not read any of the post. Please show me in my previous post where I allow the over ripe female to pollinate herself for seeds? It was never said. Because you got called out, again, you have to question another's experience to make yourself look good, I find it quite funny. Maybe you are Arjan, who knows. If you truly want to learn more, come to the restricted section and read the breeder thread which has 2 of the most experienced breeders on this forum posting techniques.

WOW what the hell was that all about?
I have never produced feminized seeds, but this last couple of years i have read up on nearly everything there is to know about the way breeders feminize their seeds.
At the top of this thread, i asked if i had left anything out or anything to add, to please post it.
You have done it before, and i asked you questions about it, you dont have to jump down my throat for asking things which i dont understand.

You said...

Originally Posted by lessismore

She will pop male sacks, usually at the very tip top of the buds most exposed to the light. You have to watch her everyday for it can happen quickly. Collect this pollen and pollinate the clones which you took from her.

Whats the difference in doing that and the hermie pollinating herself for seeds? She's still pollinating her clones, which is herself.

Originally Posted by lessismore

Your ending results are about a 90% ratio of female to male seeds.

How do you end up with male seeds through this proccess? The pollen which a female/hermie produces has no Y chromosomes.

Originally Posted by lessismore

They are not only more stable, they also do not carry the hermie trait which the chemical treatrment induces into their genes.

How is this possible, when the mother was a hermie, then it will carry the hermie strait to it's off spring.

I want to know more about feminized seeds as any one else, thats why i made this thread. Whats wrong with people posting what they know up here instead of paying money to go to the restricted section?

[ninetyseven]

Greetings John...WoW..That was` some comment.Have to read it a couple of mre times to get the full understanding of it.
Thanks Plenty :+}

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[mr.tokes]

i agree
great post

why is less deleting his/her replies? methinks thou dost protest too much

[AskEd]

Thanks for sharing the info John, know that there are plenty more who appreciate than hate ;-)

[mr. greenthumb]

so what! please get something constructive to do like smoke some widows or something man.these seed banks do this shit over and over again so they know it's right.don't stress them,do you want to spend ...nevermind... i don't think you want to buy feminized seeds and i don't blame you. i like to have the male plant in the other room in a bag sometimes. just because it's about conservation. the female plants make the seeds. have a heart conserve all the phenos of all the speices.

[mr. greenthumb]

i'll let you if my fem. la woman or my brainstorm seed turns herm on me. they are light stessed. 1000watt hps[ 400watt mh timed]18 /6 on/off.1000watter on a switch and on later
/ now in veg.got to grow some white widow out now and i hope for a male from regular seeds.so i can preserve this unbeivable strain. peace from the u.s.