Boosting Growth: Electrical Stimulation w/ Pv Cells!? ^^

[pgrowsoul]

Is the reason that PV cells are so much more efficenint because they absorbe a large wavelength of light. i.e. would LEDs be useless with them since it only puts out narrow bands?

[zenliev]

i just started a seed and ive got a clone on the way.. i have a small panel from a patio light. ill post what happens.

[pgrowsoul]

Just tested out a small one connected to some screws and bolts. It popped my tounge pretty good out in the sun, under the leds the effect was less but still there so there is at least some juice going through it but not sure if its enough to cause an effect. better than nada I suppose.

[walshy69]

Just added my pv cells to 2 of my plants, the runt of the litter and the biggest, will se how they fare compared to the other two
Tested the connection on my tongue uder the lights, could feel it, but could easily keep it on my togue for some time.
Apologies but I cant upload photo's as they're in my journal already ad GC's wont let me use same pics in a diff thread for some reason, will take twice as may pics next time and upload to here too
Have a good one all

[walshy69]

K, got yesterdays pics and took some today
the first four are from yesterday and the last three from today.
Have a good one all

[syze0ne]

Very interesting, This is a new direction for me, looks like it can create many results, thinking about testing myself. Would like to see some more results on Cannabis plants because all the pictures i see side by side from cannabis plants arent very promising(what ive seen so far) the results from the planticity report were unbelievable. Although i believe that way was more subtle and direct to the plant with the EMS device. Maybe that is the key factor,which electric stimulating method you would want to use. If i would do a test it would be with 8 plants, 4 growing regular, 2 with an EMS and the other 2 with a PV cell. Going to do some more research and then i will decide if im going to procede, but for now it has grabbed my interest. Good luck and thanks for the thought provoking thread! keep it healthy -syze-

[WestWindGrowers]

Great method for growers on a tight leash, gotta love that research and development haha

[walshy69]

Sorry guys,
experiment over for me. Both my plants with the Pv cells are showing some sort of burn while the other 2 are fine, all 4 have been treat the same.
I still buy into this electrical stimulas, but I think its gonna take more research then just chucking in a couple of Pv cells, will watch this thread and hopefully someone will come up with the right answers

[Atarijedi]

Originally Posted by walshy69

Sorry guys,
experiment over for me. Both my plants with the Pv cells are showing some sort of burn while the other 2 are fine, all 4 have been treat the same.
I still buy into this electrical stimulas, but I think its gonna take more research then just chucking in a couple of Pv cells, will watch this thread and hopefully someone will come up with the right answers

I don't think PV will work at all, unless it is powering a signal conditioner so you don't have a constant dc signal. I really do think that a constant dc signal will damage the plant, and is possibly what happened to your plants.

The Plantricity article specifically mentions TENS/EMS devices, their PWG device (I assume) put out a high voltage (50V-60V) low current (10mA or less) pulse (up to 100Hz) for a 1s on, 1s off cycle.

PV Cells put out constant DC voltage at a given brightness, but the amount of current being drawn will depend on the conductivity of the soil and the plant, and should be set at a maximum based on the formula below.

According to the Hemp Husbandry article, you want 0.01mA/cm^2. That is quite low. A 5gal pot has a top diameter of about 11", giving it an area of 600cm^2, giving you about 6mA for a 5gal pot at maximum. Rough estimate. You could also go based on the bottom diameter.

I think a 100Hz pulsed dc (square or triangle) at 1s On, 1s Off, of 50-60V with a current based on the above formula would work the best.

For people who can't build their own circuits, get a cheap EMS device off of eBay.

Originally Posted by walshy69

Sorry guys,
experiment over for me. Both my plants with the Pv cells are showing some sort of burn while the other 2 are fine, all 4 have been treat the same.
I still buy into this electrical stimulas, but I think its gonna take more research then just chucking in a couple of Pv cells, will watch this thread and hopefully someone will come up with the right answers

the cells you are using do they have batteries with the PV cell that charge and put the current out all the time? that could be it if so i have been trying this with tomato plants and seems to be working nice i do not use any battery support with them

[walshy69]

I took the batteries out, pv cells were putting out directly into soil, as I was vegging tho, light was on 24hrs so pv cells were putting voltage out 24hrs

Originally Posted by walshy69

I took the batteries out, pv cells were putting out directly into soil, as I was vegging tho, light was on 24hrs so pv cells were putting voltage out 24hrs

It was probably the 24 hour cycle you had it on giving too much to the plant under a light with that cycle i would pull it out ever 16 hours or every 12 you can space the wires out more too oh and another part of using this method is the rest period for the plant

[Version 2]

I like the idea of using it during cloning, the faster the cutting gets roots the less chance of drying out. Does anyone have any ideas about doing this for an aeroponic grow? I was thinking 1 electrode in the spray line and one on the drain so the current would run thru the water, but that's something just off the top of my head with no real knowledge of PV cells

[Dug]

Well, hello mates. I know it's been some time now, but there's something about the summer that has the ability of getting me off my chair, chasing the inexplicable within the forests and within my mind. Altered states of consciousness have given me some great insights on the past few weeks. Keep an eye on the Pandora forum, I'll see you there.

Originally Posted by Version 2

I like the idea of using it during cloning, the faster the cutting gets roots the less chance of drying out. Does anyone have any ideas about doing this for an aeroponic grow? I was thinking 1 electrode in the spray line and one on the drain so the current would run thru the water, but that's something just off the top of my head with no real knowledge of PV cells

This has been asked before, friend. The issue with aeroponic electrical stimulation is the simple fact that no consistent mean exists for the electrism to run through. There are several ideas around, many of which have been coined within these threads. One of them is to attach the electrodes on the plant itself, to run your current through the whole plant. My experience with this however indicates that this is a little too harsh for our beloved cannabinoids.

I am almost certain that the solution to this riddle is something a bit different, and a lot more exotic. I've long ago promised to make a thread about this spectacular force at our disposal, but I hadn't had the chance yet. Surpasing electical stimulation, surpasing ultrasonic frequency techniques, this amazing new possibility has yet to be tapped by all but the most adventurous.

Magnetism.

It is crystal clear. Another force, not having the need for a medium to transport itself, and with virtually zero cost. Electromagnetic fields seem to have a huge impact on the plants, as we discussed in another thread about vertical grows. It seems to me as a super efficient way of delivering energy to the plants without actually putting them through any stress.

I really wish I could tell you more, mates, but I don't have the nessecary knowledge yet. More experimentation is needed, and certainly more imagination.

Version2, and anyone else who would like to experiment with this kind of techniques, please do so. this may very well be the solution to many problems we face, and a huge breakthrough on the way we grow our plants. Search the net. And get dirty. We can't progress further than our imagination allows us to.


I am seeing many great posters around here, and some extraordinary experimenters. A lot of knowledgeable folks have gathered in these threads. I really think we can get something great out of this.

I'll see you around, mates. We'll talk more real soon, hopefully with some new exciting possibilities at play. Take care.

~Dug

[borisafterburn]

I too have become interested in electromagnetism and it's relation to increased growth of plants. For instance, here is an article from Cannabis Culture about the possibility of electromagnetism effecting plants within an old mineshaft. If you actually read it they don't claim that this is the cause for the increased growth, just a possibility. But this electrical stimulation with PV cells seems to give it credit.

Miracle mineshaft marijuana | Cannabis Culture Magazine

What would be interesting is to test plant growth in an increased electromagnetic field. I'm not an expert but could this be related to using a Tesla coil? I have no experience with making/using a Tesla coil but I think it would be worth a try. Especially if you can get the same effect as using PV cells.

Also, if this is successful, it could be used with any growing medium. Whether it be soil, hydro, or aeroponics. A reply from someone with a better understanding of this would be appreciated.