Bubble cloner...stems in or out of water?

[zpyro]

I made a bubble cloner, but I've read conflicting advice on whether the stems should be in the water, or just above it being splashed by the popping bubbles. Anyone know FOR SURE what is the better way?

[TrichyTree]

Leave 3/4 inch out of water.

[zpyro]

Originally Posted by TrichyTree

Leave 3/4 inch out of water.

ok...why? what makes that bettr than in the water? as i said, conflicting advice. someone else said to leave them 1" IN the water....

[TrichyTree]

From my exp. it helps draw better. Just my own trial and error. Others will chime in.

[zpyro]

I'm not really asking for anecdotes, more of why one is better than the other. More scientific explanation other than "it worked for me," because both have worked, for different people. Some swear by having them in the water, others swear by having them out. Both sides are convinced their way is better. What I'm asking is which is better and why, so I can better understand how it works

[myles117]

Originally Posted by zpyro

I'm not really asking for anecdotes, more of why one is better than the other. More scientific explanation other than "it worked for me," because both have worked, for different people. Some swear by having them in the water, others swear by having them out. Both sides are convinced their way is better. What I'm asking is which is better and why, so I can better understand how it works

if i may give my input without being torched like you just did to trichy, leaving at least the tip of the stem submerged in the water is best. You can take it further by having most if not all submerged as long as it is oxygenated. The end being submerged allows the plant to draw water up through the stem even though the amount it can uptake is limited. This is very good for the plant since it doesn't have roots to collect the water.

I don't have scientific proof so to speak but I go to an aggricultural high school and half my day consists of classes revovling around plants. Hope this helps ya out

[activ]

how about.....try both and see which one u like best

[zpyro]

Originally Posted by myles117

if i may give my input without being torched like you just did to trichy, leaving at least the tip of the stem submerged in the water is best. You can take it further by having most if not all submerged as long as it is oxygenated. The end being submerged allows the plant to draw water up through the stem even though the amount it can uptake is limited. This is very good for the plant since it doesn't have roots to collect the water.

I don't have scientific proof so to speak but I go to an aggricultural high school and half my day consists of plants revovling around plants. Hope this helps ya out

torched?

that's the kind of info I was looking for, thank you!

[myles117]

Originally Posted by zpyro

torched?

that's the kind of info I was looking for, thank you!

you coulda been nicer is all, ppl arent gettin paid to help. its on their own time trying to help. even if its not what your looking for, dnt mean u gotta be harsh.

I'm glad i answered ur question tho, glad i could help

[zpyro]

I really wasn't harsh, just sayin it like it is

[myguitariscool]

The reason you hear people having good results both ways is because you'll have good results both ways. The plant needs water at the stem. Whether its submerged or not, the bubbles popping will keep the stem wet enough. I've heard people say keeping them slightly out of the water stimulates the roots to take quicker.

[Dr Lowtie]

Sounds like a good exparment to me

Both ways work...the thing is this...if you leave them out of the water its like aeroponically rooting clones but using the wrong device to do it...if you leave them out of the water and let the bubbles and splash do it , you better be constantly monitoring the level of the water if it falls too low then no more splash...you might as well be using a EZ cloner

Bubble cloners are designed for the stem to sit in the medium which is water...

Aero cloners are designed so that the stems are constantly sprayed by the medium...

The reason why aero cloners work better is that you have a bunch of super oxygenated water in the tub, then when it gets turned into mist it collects even more O2...

The Dissolved O2 is what makes the roots come out..

In abubble cloner you have just the same amount of dissolved O2 as in the tub of the EZ clonr but without the added misting (which adds significant DO)

So when you rely on the bubble splash in the bubble cloner you are getting a little more DO in the mix whch makes them root faster...but its still less efficient than the aero cloners...and by having to constantly make sure the water level is high enough is harder..having the tips in the water and the rest hit by the splash is the best method but again the level of the water right at the tips is going to be constantly going down and needed to be refilled...

You do have to top up the water in the Ez cloner but really like once ever 2 days or so..

The Ultimate would be the hybrid...where the tip of the stem in in the water all the time and the rest of the stem is constantly being misted...

Hope that helps solve your Q...any one else have any thing to chime in on this?

[myles117]

Originally Posted by glutamate

Both ways work...the thing is this...if you leave them out of the water its like aeroponically rooting clones but using the wrong device to do it...if you leave them out of the water and let the bubbles and splash do it , you better be constantly monitoring the level of the water if it falls too low then no more splash...you might as well be using a EZ cloner

Bubble cloners are designed for the stem to sit in the medium which is water...

Aero cloners are designed so that the stems are constantly sprayed by the medium...

The reason why aero cloners work better is that you have a bunch of super oxygenated water in the tub, then when it gets turned into mist it collects even more O2...

The Dissolved O2 is what makes the roots come out..

In abubble cloner you have just the same amount of dissolved O2 as in the tub of the EZ clonr but without the added misting (which adds significant DO)

So when you rely on the bubble splash in the bubble cloner you are getting a little more DO in the mix whch makes them root faster...but its still less efficient than the aero cloners...and by having to constantly make sure the water level is high enough is harder..having the tips in the water and the rest hit by the splash is the best method but again the level of the water right at the tips is going to be constantly going down and needed to be refilled...

You do have to top up the water in the Ez cloner but really like once ever 2 days or so..

The Ultimate would be the hybrid...where the tip of the stem in in the water all the time and the rest of the stem is constantly being misted...

Hope that helps solve your Q...any one else have any thing to chime in on this?

pretty good breakdown, a got a few things to chime in about.

you say that dissolved oxygen is what makes the roots come out. I'm not to sure bout that one, the oxygen dissolved in the water keeps things from growin in it and from the stems rotting but I don't believe it makes the plant root. The presence of constant moisture on the stem sends the chemical message to the plant that the conditions to root are there. Rooting gels and solutions have hormones and nutrients to trigger the rooting even faster. I believe that dissolved oxygen is key to keepin the plant happy while the stem is in the water but thats as far as I'd go.

If you have info regarding this, I'd love to read up on it. I'm up for learning more

I agree that the ultimate is a hybrid of both. However, with my bubble cloner, there are enough bubbles that when the bubbles pop it spits water up in the air. This acts as a mist to the stem section just above the water line.

great post overall man, very good info

Bro thats why its called aeroponics!! The high amounts of DO increase root mass and help with the uptake of feeding...
You dont need any gels or nutes inorder to produce roots..but NO DO and NO roots...I could probably find more info on it but its a waste of my time...

http://www.advancednutrients.com/art...p?articleID=42
http://www.bghydro.com/bgh/static/ar...05_cloning.asp