Get a harvest every 2 weeks

[lush1]

cheers fella

[FRANKLY]

Hi there ABF ???

Using your system, the mums that were next up to be cut for clones. Put them into 12/12 for 2 weeks prior to cutting them do you think that would get rid of the first 2 weeks where they stretch a hit. What I mean is would the clone pick up exactly where the mum was when you cut it.

I realize that it would stress her out, but putting her back into 24/0 lighting till her next time up might , should, give her enough time to recoup ?????.

The reason I'm asking is that I would like to stack 2 grow beds into a height of 8 ft. and every inch would help.

Frankly

[Al B. Fuct]

Several problems with your theory.

If a mother were put under 12/12 lighting it would be flowering fairly vigorously by the end of wk 2.

Plants which have been in flower can be revegged but take up to 6 weeks to return to purely veg growth habit.

The mother would be useless for cuttings until it had been revegged to full veg habit once again.

Cuttings taken from a plant in flower are notoriously slow to set root.

Sorry, but you're not on the way forward!

[FRANKLY]

Not the answer I wanted but, the re vegging I new would be an issue. I hadnt heard about the problems of cloning from flowering mus till now.

Thanks for your input though it saved me some time and prob. a lot of cursing.

Frankly

[Al B. Fuct]

Gee, sorry.

But yeah, all the cursing has already been done for you, here at Fuct Engineering.

[FRANKLY]

ROTFLMAO

[mordgrow]

Originally Posted by Al B. Fuct

Cuttings taken from a plant in flower are notoriously slow to set root.

Sorry, but you're not on the way forward!

last time i tryed it my success rate was very low

[VeoDigital]

I was thinking Al B..... you stated that the Mh lamp wasnt good enough to recover your mums in two weeks. So Im asking what was the color temperature of that MH bulb? If it was 4200k, like mine, Im thinking that might be the issue. I looked at the chlorophyll absorption chart again, and that color temperature isnt ideal for maximum activity. Ive been trying to get an answer on the Iwasaki 6500k single ended MH lamps, but no one is answering. So Im thinking of just doing a side by side comparison on my scaled down version of this SoG cycle. Im going to go ahead and order it next pay period. I know the HPS lamps create more elongated clones, ideal for this operation, but im still curious

As I was typing I thought of some more questions for you, sorry if they were asked before. What nutes are you using? Im using the rest of my fox farm nutes on my mums, but using GH micro and bloom on the clones, lucas formula. What dosage/formula are you applying to clones in the 4 tray system? Mine are as follows: tray 1 clones get 1/4 strength of the lucas formula, tray 2 clones get 1/2 strength lucas formula, tray 3 clones get full strength lucas formula, and tray 4 gets ph corrected water to flush out nutrients and salts. Im thinking maybe I should break down the feeding schedule even more, up the strength every week rather than every two weeks. Everything seems ok so far, but I think they are calling for more. Any thoughts or opinions?

[Dewave]

Originally Posted by Al B. Fuct

Several problems with your theory.

If a mother were put under 12/12 lighting it would be flowering fairly vigorously by the end of wk 2.

Plants which have been in flower can be revegged but take up to 6 weeks to return to purely veg growth habit.

The mother would be useless for cuttings until it had been revegged to full veg habit once again.

Cuttings taken from a plant in flower are notoriously slow to set root.

Sorry, but you're not on the way forward!

Sorry but I have to say that is not true or at least it is strain dependent.

I do it all the time, I take clones from my flowering plants from day 10 to 16. For my next crop of perpetuals, which might I add I got the idea of a perpetual grow from Al b Fuct.

I will add every other grow comes from the mother while in between grows comes from clones of the previous grow. In order to let the mom re veg.

Must be strain dependent.

So I believe it is strain dependent, AK-47/48, when I put them in the cloner they slow flowering but continue to grow and root very fast.

[Al B. Fuct]

Originally Posted by VeoDigital

I was thinking Al B..... you stated that the Mh lamp wasnt good enough to recover your mums in two weeks. So Im asking what was the color temperature of that MH bulb?

I haven't a clue as to the colour temp of the MH conversion lamp I used, wish I could tell you. It can't have been significantly different from any other MH. The effect of using a light with a bluish biased spectrum is shorter internodal lengths.

I don't think the colour temp was the issue with slower recovery of the mums as much as the reduced luminous intensity of this particular MH conversion compared to a typical 400 HPS. This MH conversion lamp I have is only rated at 360W.

As I was typing I thought of some more questions for you, sorry if they were asked before. What nutes are you using?

Canna Flores, 1400ppm @ 5.8 and Canna Vega for mums, 1400-1600ppm @ 5.8.

What dosage/formula are you applying to clones in the 4 tray system?

All tanks in the flowering area are run at 1400ppm. Clones don't mind starting out on that mix and it's sufficient for plants in all stages up to harvest.

I've changed the way I'm using Canna's PK13-14 since writing the lead post. I was incorrectly using it for 1 week in wk 3. I've since revisited Canna's instructions and now apply it at 0.5ml/l for 1 week only in wk5.

[Al B. Fuct]

Originally Posted by Dewave

I take clones from my flowering plants from day 10 to 16.

How many days til you get strikes from cuttings taken from plants which have been flowering and at what success rate?

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[Dewave]

Originally Posted by Al B. Fuct

How many days til you get strikes from cuttings taken from plants which have been flowering and at what success rate?

Hey bro,

Sorry so long to reply... anyway for clones taken from my plants that are in the early days of flowering, I do agree they take longer to strike a root,,, anywhere from 5 to 12 days.... my success rate is 1-2 out of 30 using an aeroponic cloner. The ones that do not make it seem to have a rotted stem.

For clones taken from the mother (AK-47), it takes 3-7 days to strike and 100% success rate.

Right now I am at day 10 of a new batch taken from flowering plants of AK-47, WW, Chronic Bud and Crystal. All the WW and AK-47 have strikes but no strikes from CB or Crystal.

So I do believe it is somewhat strain dependent.

Mind you, I took your advice on the perpetual grow except I turned it into a 1 month cycle instead of every 2 weeks. In order to have larger and healthier clones like you did, especially since the cuttings came from a bonzai Mum which are small I would leave the clones in the cloner for one month. When it came time to transplant and flower they are 6-8 inches with a very long root, up to 4 feet at times.

So I took your advice and just adjusted it to my needs.

Now my next experiment... lol... is that clones taken from a flowering mother will continue to flower in the cloner,,, I did have one hermie (mord will attest to that, sorry deleted that pic by mistake, argh) anyway what I noticed is they will start to revert back to veg at about week 4 just when I put them back into flower. They easily go back to flower more so then they do veg. What I want to try is using a timer for flowering while in the cloner and then plant one month later as I have been doing. Not sure what that will do.

Either way thanx again for your help. Your grow is one of many inspirations that has helped me.

Oh well

[Dewave]

Here's an old post that someone dung up about cloning flowering plants,,,, haven't read it all yet, but from what I see very interesting

http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-...ing-clone.html

[lush1]

Two questions please Alan.

What would be preferable over a 6x3 area: 2x600w or 1x1000, both air cooled?

Also, you think chronic would eb a good strain to grow this style?

cheers